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Post by metalsmith on Jan 18, 2017 7:51:05 GMT -5
Hi, I have a very thin (1mm) piece of lapis that I've been thinking about for a few months, as you do. Now I've finally found inspiration for the design of it, the off-cuts could be useful if they were viable. The difficulty lies in cutting the lapis (single straight line) with a non-existant thickness of cut. Noting this is not possible - with the exception of simply breaking it and hoping the fracture follows my desired cut-line (unlikely)... What is the very thinnest thing I could cut it with? Any thoughts would be welcome including blue-sky thinking. Thanks Chas
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 9:58:14 GMT -5
0.006"
There are 6" cutoff blades with a very thin kerf of roughly 6mil
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Post by captbob on Jan 18, 2017 10:01:32 GMT -5
1mm ?? Wouldn't a glass cutter work on something that thin?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 11:11:51 GMT -5
1mm ?? Wouldn't a glass cutter work on something that thin? He has one piece only and lapis is not very glassy. May very well work though!! Good idea!
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Post by Fossilman on Jan 18, 2017 11:32:40 GMT -5
I use dremel diamond blades for small cut offs too....Good luck...
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Post by Pat on Jan 18, 2017 12:20:51 GMT -5
Faceters cut precious stones with a super thin blade. I think Amertool has one.
If no faceters around, maybe somebody who does intarsia has such a blade. On the other hand, could you change your plan to use it as is?
Or sand it down to desired size--- but that would waste some.
Good luck!
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Post by zarguy on Jan 18, 2017 12:52:24 GMT -5
You could mark it and score it on both sides with a utility knife. Then snap it on the scored line. Lynn
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Post by metalsmith on Jan 18, 2017 13:20:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the ideas - keep 'em coming!
I have diamond blades and can achieve a couple of mm kerf.
I only have the one piece of really good material, but I'm just micro-slabbing a rough sample, hoping to get a slabette around 1mm thick. Some of the left over will be the white stuff that I can thin right down to approx 1mm and then use to trial any of the more creative methods.
I wondered about thin copper wire run thro' diamond dust and setting it as a saw blade in a piercing saw. It might be worthwhile just trying a piercing saw and seeing if it gets any gain. At 1mm thick there's not much to get through.
6mm is definitely more than I can lose. The utility knife idea might just work. Come to think of it, I also have a modelling saw that can cut soft metals and might just stretch to lapis.
Facetters are few and far between here in the UK. A facetting saw might be on the horizon but that's a long way off for the present.
Thanks again for your ideas. Any more?
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Post by Pat on Jan 18, 2017 14:13:57 GMT -5
It would help to see a picture of what you have and a mark where you want to cut it. I'm not sure I am visualizing it right.
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Post by parfive on Jan 18, 2017 15:44:40 GMT -5
If your lapis ain’t conductive enough you could always try . . . . . . a new method for machining of nonconductive ceramic workpieces in electric discharge machining (EDM) was developed. Machining surfaces of nonconductive workpieces were coated with a conductive layer (CL) and graphite powder was added to dielectric fluid for machining. Al2O3, ZrO2, SiC, B4C and glass workpiece samples were machined by using the method. www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10910344.2010.500497
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Post by metalsmith on Jan 18, 2017 16:32:07 GMT -5
It would help to see a picture of what you have and a mark where you want to cut it. I'm not sure I am visualizing it right. Coming right up...
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Post by metalsmith on Jan 18, 2017 16:49:21 GMT -5
It would help to see a picture of what you have and a mark where you want to cut it. I'm not sure I am visualizing it right. Coming right up... 'Cept it isn't ... my phone's out of charge and my charger's at the office. Sorry! Will try tomorrow / fri.
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Post by metalsmith on Jan 19, 2017 17:32:40 GMT -5
If your lapis ain’t conductive enough you could always try . . . . . . a new method for machining of nonconductive ceramic workpieces in electric discharge machining (EDM) was developed. Machining surfaces of nonconductive workpieces were coated with a conductive layer (CL) and graphite powder was added to dielectric fluid for machining. Al2O3, ZrO2, SiC, B4C and glass workpiece samples were machined by using the method. www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10910344.2010.500497
That EDM is quite something!
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Post by metalsmith on Jan 19, 2017 17:42:34 GMT -5
Experiments today found that a piercing saw would just about cut thin lapis. The cutting was very slow, to the point that 100-200 sawing actions resulted in 1mm progress. The cut slot widened to more than the saw-blade thickness, a couple of mm, something similar to the diamond blades I use with a dremel. Given the cutting time, I resorted to the dremel (on my test-piece). My plans are as below. It would be good to cut to achieve both a pendant and two small triangles from the one piece. This depends on thin cuts, similar to the pen-lines, ideally. (Note: if it's not obvious from the rough, this next piece isn't the slabbette / design above ... that wouldn't have worked out very well at all! ) Inspired by the Lapis slabbette I bought at just 1mm thick, I decided to try my hand cutting this Lapis Lazuli 1mm thick flat buff cabochon ... it worked! Beautifully polished; rubbish pictures - my bad; I'll try again later
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Post by Pat on Sept 10, 2017 9:37:13 GMT -5
Tommy could you fix the photos? Is there such a thing as a laser saw?
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Post by Tommy on Sept 10, 2017 10:02:51 GMT -5
Tommy could you fix the photos? No sorry Pat. All I see is broken Flickr images in the post directly above - Flickr images only break if they are removed by the user.
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 10, 2017 10:47:57 GMT -5
Is there such a thing as a laser saw? Yes, my steel supplier can laser cut steel to some pretty tight tolerances. I have etched the surface of mostly silica stones like agate and obsidian with a smaller sized cnc laser. For stone the best option for low kerf cutting if it's not straight lines would be water jet IMO. for straight lines an ultra thin faceters saw blade is probably the best choice. metalsmith do you have parallel closing pliers? A straight edge, glass cutter, and parallel pliers with decent sized jaws would be a 90% certain solution if your cuts are to be straight.
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