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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 2, 2017 14:47:14 GMT -5
I can't understand why they make saw vices that never actually fit your rocks!!! 😡😡 my problem is... I want to cut some things long ways parallel with the stone.   How do you guys fix this problem?? Doing it by hand is not an option LOL I know several people glue them to scrap 2x4 pieces but my mind for some reason isn't wrapping around just how to do that. |
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Post by Pat on Feb 2, 2017 16:30:35 GMT -5
You have my sympathy. I bought a vise for my 10" saw. My machinist friend agreed it was goofy. He fixed it. Still had no patience for it.
I just hold the rock with two hands.
Still have all fingers. 😄
Should add that after I cut first slice, I use various shims on one side. Makes it s lot easier.
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Post by captbob on Feb 2, 2017 16:39:18 GMT -5
my problem is... I want to cut some things long ways parallel with the stone. How do you guys fix this problem?? Get a bigger saw. Valentine's Day is right around the corner. Start dropping hints! Leaving the Kingsley North catalog in a conspicuous place open to the saw page with the saw you want circled in a red heart is a start. Taping it to the bathroom mirror is less subtle, but sure to get your point across! |
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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 2, 2017 20:53:27 GMT -5
Haha thanks guys Pat, I did push 2 through it today. My new blade cuts wonderfully but with the 10" MK-303 0.40 width/kerf if that rock isn't really really straight and flat my blade gets wobbly! captbob almost every piece of equipment I own (lots of it kinda spensive) has been bought by my wonderful husband in the last 8 months Plus No More Room in my 16x20 LOL |
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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 2, 2017 20:58:00 GMT -5
You guys rig up all kinds of crazy stuff
Heck I'll throw that vise in the trash if y'all can direct me to building a new one.
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Post by wigglinrocks on Feb 2, 2017 21:03:22 GMT -5
Could you make bigger vice jaws and use longer bolts ? There would still be a limit but you could gain a little more capacity .
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Post by orrum on Feb 2, 2017 21:09:44 GMT -5
No get a slab grabber to hold the rock then put the grabber in the vice. Or glue to a piece of wood.
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Post by Peruano on Feb 3, 2017 7:16:28 GMT -5
The real answer is a bigger saw. But second best is learning to stub your rocks. Your first long one is a great example. Choose a short length 3-5" of board that will fit in your vice (lets say a 2x3 or 2x2) and glue the rock to the end of the board. Since you are working on a trim saw and the vice is on the level with the saw surface, make sure the rock does not protrude below the edge of the board. Use carpenters glue to attach the rock hopefully taking advantage of the best flat surface you have on the rock. Let it cure 24 hrs or at least overnight. And clamp the board in the vice. There are limits to how long your rock can be based on your saws table size and how high it can be based on blade size, but you see how you can also more securely hold odd shaped smaller rocks as long as they are firmly glued. Sometimes you can benefit from removing the vice and just sliding the rock along on the flat bottom edge of the wood to which it is glued.
Round rocks like your second photo may need to have a flat surface sawed on them (by hand) and then be glued up (after good cleaning of the surface to be glued).
Vices grip flat surfaces like square or rectangular wood pieces much better than round irregular stones. As long as your vice can be pulled back far enough to let the intial saw contact be started, your saw does not really care whether your stone is in the vice or attached to something smaller that's in the vice. I hope this is clear enough.
Oh and removing the last thin slabette that remains attached to the wood stub (take a hand saw and cut the wood off as close to the stone as possible and plunk it in soapy water overnight (the water will penetrate the thin layer of wood, and soften the wood glue sufficiently that you can peel off the wood and scrub away the glue with a toothbrush. I hope this solution helps with at least some of your problem rocks.
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Post by orrum on Feb 3, 2017 8:08:33 GMT -5
What Peru another said!!# Hey you should make s how to with pics. It sounds so simple and is but a newbie to a saw would appreciate a how to thread. Maybe a sticky too. Just thinking...
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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 3, 2017 9:02:50 GMT -5
Thank You guys! Now y'all have my electrons firing!! I'll post pics of what I end up with!
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Post by captbob on Feb 3, 2017 9:09:23 GMT -5
Not sure what make saw you are dealing with, but I'm guessing that the vise carriage won't back all that far away from the blade. Meaning that the rock can't stick out too far (towards the blade) from the vise. You may be limited by this regarding the gluing the rock to a piece of wood suggestion.
No more room for a bigger saw? Put it outside your shop. Better outside anyway so you have plenty of fresh air to dissipate the oil mist. Put it on a solid / flat slab and get an outdoor BBQ grill cover for it or buy one of those inexpensive outdoor storage sheds - they make small ones just the right size - to house it in for even more protection from the weather. IF a larger saw is an option, you can figure something out!
ETA: it wouldn't have to be a new (expensive) saw, the old ones are probably built better and built to last 3 lifetimes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 10:56:24 GMT -5
What Peru another said!!# Hey you should make s how to with pics. It sounds so simple and is but a newbie to a saw would appreciate a how to thread. Maybe a sticky too. Just thinking... I love that you typo worse than me and then DGAF it. Don't even bother to fix them! I love that about you Bill! |
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Post by orrum on Feb 3, 2017 11:28:25 GMT -5
I figure most folks figure out what I am trying to ssy. In my defence spell check does not love me!!! LOL. By the way Scott congrats on finding a pardner in life that you both share interests in and are best friends!
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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 3, 2017 12:23:20 GMT -5
Ok so I think I know what y'all are say: 10" blade or na- it's still a trim saw with a thin blade! So quit acting like a girl, put my big panties on and learn how to control That Wobble! ( hence or buy a real slab saw) 😂😂 OK I GOT IT AND DID JUST THAT     captbob, think I'm ready to go build some oops !!!!!! |
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Post by Garage Rocker on Feb 3, 2017 14:17:52 GMT -5
Looks like you figured out how to get it done. Where there's a will, there's a way!
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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 3, 2017 15:58:43 GMT -5
I agree with that 100%! Garage RockerBut for some of my more deformed whoppy jawed rocks I followed wigglinrocks advice and bought a few long bolts as well. You guys are awesome!!! This particular saw REALLY isn't worth what they charge for it but it'll get the job done with a little fineness. For the time being if I collect rocks bigger than I can cut at home I'll just take them to my Gem&Mineral Club. They have the Big Boy saws!!! |
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Post by wigglinrocks on Feb 3, 2017 16:55:13 GMT -5
Now don't go throwing football size rocks at that saw , save those for the big girl saw when you get it .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 13:35:10 GMT -5
melhill1659I love your mettle. You also have a terrific sense of humour. I'm so glad you joined us and hope u stick a long time!
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Post by melhill1659 on Feb 5, 2017 16:15:01 GMT -5
I'm here to stay @shotgunner! I've actually NEVER been told I have a sense of humor much less a terrific one 😂 Thank You
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