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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 26, 2017 9:32:49 GMT -5
Nice addition,you will be a cutting addict in no time!!! I put my saw on a portable bench with caster wheels,so I can cut outside....Than run it back into the shop when I an finished cutting...Works pretty slick.. I'm going to run it first then if mist is a problem even after the doors are open An fan running I'm going to build a portable ramp over my steps just for that. Our MS summers do get intensely hot!! So super excited to get some of these St Martin Jaspers cut!!!
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Post by captbob on Mar 26, 2017 10:52:38 GMT -5
Open to a suggestion? Order a backup blade. johnjsgems sells 'em. www.jsgemslapidary.com/Pretty sure it won't break the bank. You may not need it for years (hopefully) but if one of those rocks comes off one of those wood blocks and your blade gets bent, you will be happy that you have it on hand and don't have to wait a week for another blade to arrive. When I bought my BD HP-14, I had a blade ordered and on the way before I had even made the first cut with that saw. Maybe it's the Boy Scout - Be Prepared - in me ...
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 26, 2017 12:22:30 GMT -5
Open to a suggestion? Order a backup blade. johnjsgems sells 'em. www.jsgemslapidary.com/Pretty sure it won't break the bank. You may not need it for years (hopefully) but if one of those rocks comes off one of those wood blocks and your blade gets bent, you will be happy that you have it on hand and don't have to wait a week for another blade to arrive. When I bought my BD HP-14, I had a blade ordered and on the way before I had even made the first cut with that saw. Maybe it's the Boy Scout - Be Prepared - in me ... I'm always up for suggestions Capt'n!!! I'll do that today!! Great idea btw cause I can't stand being in the middle of something, having a hiccup and having to wait on a part!!
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Post by metalsmith on Mar 26, 2017 14:37:41 GMT -5
Pic 1 Pic2 Sorry to hijack this thread; I have need of some similar help. Further to a 1/3 hp motor purchase, I'm looking for a belt wheel as in (melhill's) images above. The shaft is 8mm or I think that translates to US 5/16ths. What am I looking for exactly, belt-wheel; pulley-wheel? If you guys have this as (reasonably) standard then I should be able to source one in the UK. Just not quite sure I know what I need. I'm going to stick with melhill's @anybodythatknowsmotors Thank you!
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Post by Peruano on Mar 26, 2017 18:14:45 GMT -5
You want a v-belt pulley. The one shown has a set screw to lock against a flat surface on the motor shaft. You will want to know the diameter to determine the speed of the belt relative to the motor's rpms.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 26, 2017 20:24:08 GMT -5
Pic 1 Pic2 Sorry to hijack this thread; I have need of some similar help. Further to a 1/3 hp motor purchase, I'm looking for a belt wheel as in (melhill's) images above. The shaft is 8mm or I think that translates to US 5/16ths. What am I looking for exactly, belt-wheel; pulley-wheel? If you guys have this as (reasonably) standard then I should be able to source one in the UK. Just not quite sure I know what I need. I'm going to stick with melhill's @anybodythatknowsmotors Thank you! Highjack away hon!
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Post by quartz on Mar 26, 2017 22:23:15 GMT -5
I got confused by Peruano's explanation regarding knowing the size of the pulley you need so as to know the speed of the belt, probably not alone here. You need to know the size of the pulley to purchase as it has an effect on the speed of what you are driving with the motor. Speed of the belt is moot. A pulley the same size on the motor as on the driven shaft means the driven shaft runs at motor speed. Smaller on motor than driven runs the driven shaft slower than motor, larger runs the driven shaft faster than motor. Basic math, divide diameter of "driven" by diameter of "drive", and motor speed by result of that to get speed of driven shaft.
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Post by notjustone on Mar 26, 2017 23:00:27 GMT -5
I got confused by Peruano 's explanation regarding knowing the size of the pulley you need so as to know the speed of the belt, probably not alone here. You need to know the size of the pulley to purchase as it has an effect on the speed of what you are driving with the motor. Speed of the belt is moot. A pulley the same size on the motor as on the driven shaft means the driven shaft runs at motor speed. Smaller on motor than driven runs the driven shaft slower than motor, larger runs the driven shaft faster than motor. Basic math, divide diameter of "driven" by diameter of "drive", and motor speed by result of that to get speed of driven shaft. that math sounds complicated I used this www.blocklayer.com/Pulley-BeltEng.aspx
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Post by metalsmith on Mar 27, 2017 0:47:37 GMT -5
If my motor cunningly does just the right revs, is it not simply the case that I need a v-belt pulley at the same diameter as the motor's pulley wheel? Then the grinding wheels will do just the same revs? Will check the link. Thank you.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 27, 2017 6:52:24 GMT -5
If my motor cunningly does just the right revs, is it not simply the case that I need a v-belt pulley at the same diameter as the motor's pulley wheel? Then the grinding wheels will do just the same revs? Will check the link. Thank you. Is your mind sufficiently boggled yet 😂😂
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Post by Peruano on Mar 27, 2017 7:21:45 GMT -5
Everything that Quartz said is correct. Perhaps I didn't explain my meaning adequately, but the only reason for changing the size of a pulley on either end is because it causes more or less belt to be moved per revolution of the machine. Hence the belt will go faster or slower in terms of inches per second or whatever speed units you want to use resulting in a change in the rpms at the other end. I used to teach children how to understand multispeed bicycles (same principles but easier to change combinations so people could understand what was the result), but I didn't try to do it over the internet at 0600 in 25 words or less. The concept is particularly important when setting up saws because a big saw blade's outside circumference (cutting surface) is going by the rock at a much faster linear speed than a small saw blade's cutting surface. Hence we often slow down the rpms on the blade end of a big saw, but not so much on a small saw, even tho we started out with a motor on the other end that had the same rpms. I just didn't want the OP to get to the store and have the clerk ask "What size pulley did you want"? without being prepared to answer.
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Post by notjustone on Mar 27, 2017 9:09:02 GMT -5
Everything that Quartz said is correct. Perhaps I didn't explain my meaning adequately, but the only reason for changing the size of a pulley on either end is because it causes more or less belt to be moved per revolution of the machine. Hence the belt will go faster or slower in terms of inches per second or whatever speed units you want to use resulting in a change in the rpms at the other end. I used to teach children how to understand multispeed bicycles (same principles but easier to change combinations so people could understand what was the result), but I didn't try to do it over the internet at 0600 in 25 words or less. The concept is particularly important when setting up saws because a big saw blade's outside circumference (cutting surface) is going by the rock at a much faster linear speed than a small saw blade's cutting surface. Hence we often slow down the rpms on the blade end of a big saw, but not so much on a small saw, even tho we started out with a motor on the other end that had the same rpms. I just didn't want the OP to get to the store and have the clerk ask "What size pulley did you want"? without being prepared to answer. belt speed is meaningless for the most part. lets say you have say a 2 inch pulley on motor (drive) and a 2 inch pulley on shaft (driven), your belt speed is set by the drive pulley. at basically a 1 to 1 ratio. we will say our motor (drive) turns at 1750 rpm, so the shaft driven) is turning 1750 as well. now change that shaft (driven) pulley to say 12 inch diameter. now its ratio is 1 to 6, and the driven shaft is now turning 291 rpm. yet belt speed has not changed at all because the drive pulley size has not changed. yet we have a change in speed (rpm).
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Post by Peruano on Mar 27, 2017 9:12:26 GMT -5
But change the other pulley (motor side), which is the one being purchased, and the belt speed changes with every pulley size change. Go figure.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 27, 2017 11:14:32 GMT -5
Saw Update: I've dressed the blade Oh My Goodness look how thin that big blade cuts!!! I am currently cutting my first official slab!!
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Post by captbob on Mar 27, 2017 11:40:49 GMT -5
Time to mess that purdy new saw up a bit. I need to send you some banded iron to really muck things up! I've never heard of dressing a new blade before. You read somewhere you are supposed to do that?
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 27, 2017 11:41:21 GMT -5
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Post by captbob on Mar 27, 2017 11:52:48 GMT -5
Don't know if you saw my last post on the previous page as you were probably typing out the above when I posted.
But I have another question - what are you using to glue your rocks to the wood? I have never had the courage to do that rock-glue-wood thing. Know people do so all the time, but I have nightmarish visions of the rock popping off the wood and ruining my day. Being a tumbler, I've never needed that last slab or two. End cuts can be fed to the tumblers in my world.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2017 12:31:04 GMT -5
Don't know if you saw my last post on the previous page as you were probably typing out the above when I posted. But I have another question - what are you using to glue your rocks to the wood? I have never had the courage to do that rock-glue-wood thing. Know people do so all the time, but I have nightmarish visions of the rock popping off the wood and ruining my day. Being a tumbler, I've never needed that last slab or two. End cuts can be fed to the tumblers in my world. I recognise you asked Mel. I recently started doing this for Jeannie. I used Elmer's wood glue. Although the advertised soak time of overnite to release the last slab isn't real for me. It's over a week now. I hope to someday get that last one back.
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Post by quartz on Mar 27, 2017 12:39:41 GMT -5
I've used waterglass for a long time to attach rocks to wood for cutting, but only after I've established a flat surface to glue after taking a cut or more and cleaning the piece. Never had one pop off. I put them in boiling water and they come loose in no more than 5 minutes, Goodwill hotplate works great.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 27, 2017 12:43:09 GMT -5
Time to mess that purdy new saw up a bit. I need to send you some banded iron to really muck things up! I've never heard of dressing a new blade before. You read somewhere you are supposed to do that? It said it right in the manual and sent me a dressing stick. Never used the MK303's before just the 301's an I know you don't have to dress those. Yep you are right I missed it. Been to busy sawing. THIS THING IS THE SHIT!!!
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