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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 8:53:51 GMT -5
Vacation is over and now time to set up my Big Girl Saw! First dilemma: Space for set up! I will first have to move all of these off this shelf (shelf has to be sacrificed ) and relocate most of the rocks to my Rock Beds. Move this work station down in its place Then turn this work station so it's parallel with my desk: Then... all that will be left to do is buy another table to place the Saw on and figure out how to get the darn Saw out of the box an onto the table!! I have a long day ahead of me!!! I really should get a metal or sump'n for Packing The Most Shit EVER into a 16x20 shop!!!!!
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Post by NDK on Mar 21, 2017 14:26:39 GMT -5
I think you need to blow out the back wall to make it a 16x24! 😁
Good luck
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 14:53:47 GMT -5
Work in Progress Update: Shelves cleared, shelves and workstations moved, Saw out of box! I have to wait for the hubby to get home to get it off the floor. Then off to Sam's Club for the new saw table!
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 14:57:54 GMT -5
I think you need to blow out the back wall to make it a 16x24! 😁 Good luck Haha after this long day Hired Help would have to be called in for all that! 😂
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Post by captbob on Mar 21, 2017 15:05:21 GMT -5
Be very, very mindful of the oil mist that this saw will cause.
Maybe a spot by the door where you can use a fan much of the year to blow the mist outside?
A separate outdoor storage "shed" (small saw sized) outside your shop shed would be optimal.
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Post by captbob on Mar 21, 2017 15:18:54 GMT -5
A step further on the oil mist, this being your first Big Girl saw -
When you open the lid of that saw after a cut in your shop, you will probably need to leave the area for a good 5 minutes to let the mist settle. Yes, it will settle on everything in the shop! Staying in the shop when you open the saw and breathing that mist can lead to issues you probably do not want to deal with!
There is a mist reducer that some folks add to the oil. I do not know enough about such to advise or recommend. I just wheel my saw out of the garage to use it. Still set a fan up outside to blow mist away more quickly. My 24" saw is in a shed in my back yard. I make a cut with that, hold my breath to open the lid and leave for at least 5 minutes before going back in. Bronchitis or whatever that mist may lead to sucks. Avoid mist if/when/as much as possible.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 15:55:02 GMT -5
A step further on the oil mist, this being your first Big Girl saw - When you open the lid of that saw after a cut in your shop, you will probably need to leave the area for a good 5 minutes to let the mist settle. Yes, it will settle on everything in the shop! Staying in the shop when you open the saw and breathing that mist can lead to issues you probably do not want to deal with! There is a mist reducer that some folks add to the oil. I do not know enough about such to advise or recommend. I just wheel my saw out of the garage to use it. Still set a fan up outside to blow mist away more quickly. My 24" saw is in a shed in my back yard. I make a cut with that, hold my breath to open the lid and leave for at least 5 minutes before going back in. Bronchitis or whatever that mist may lead to sucks. Avoid mist if/when/as much as possible. Capt'n you do know you are suppose to cut it off before opening the lid, right 🙄😂
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 15:58:28 GMT -5
I don't have any where else to put it 😢 my 200lb flat pyramid Lot-O stand is by the door. Damn I knew I should have put wheels on that thing!!! So... if I possibly cut it off and wait for 20minutes or so before opening would that be ok? Where is all the mist coming from after the blade stops turning? Inquiring minds want to know...
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Post by Pat on Mar 21, 2017 16:09:42 GMT -5
I don't use oil saws --- nothing over 10". However, if you can get a cart instead of a table, things might be easier for you. My 7" and 10" saws are on their own separate carts. Very handy.
Good luck to you! That's quite a job.
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Post by captbob on Mar 21, 2017 16:12:35 GMT -5
Mist, by its nature, is suspended in air. It will settle, but unless given a stupidly long amount of time to do so, it still needs to dissipate. By opening the lid. If you can wait 20 minutes after a cut to see whatcha got in there, more power to ya! That will help.
Maybe I'm overly cautious about not wanting the breath that oil mist, but I don't think so - for me. I smoke and have done enough other (industrial type) crap to my lungs over my lifetime that little things like saw oil mist and silly ailments such as bronchitis and pneumonia are to be avoided as much as possible. I know... I'm goofy that way.
Any chance of installing a good exhaust fan in the wall behind the saw? Probably be pretty darn easy to do. Make sure it can't rain in through the fan or that critters can get in. Just a thought...
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 16:20:20 GMT -5
I don't use oil saws --- nothing over 10". However, if you can get a cart instead of a table, things might be easier for you. My 7" and 10" saws are on their own separate carts. Very handy. Good luck to you! That's quite a job. Now that I can do and be able to pull it in front of the door if needed. Thank you Pat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 16:21:11 GMT -5
Bardahl "no smoke" dosed at 1oz per gallon of mineral oil all but completely removes oil mist.
Maybe 3% of mist remains compared to none used.
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Post by Peruano on Mar 21, 2017 16:22:08 GMT -5
Maybe the Captain knows something special about the LS12, but if you are getting so much mist that you have to vacate for 5 minutes, something is askew. (I'd guess if the oil is too deep, the blade will carry too much to the work surface and cause excess mist). Yes mist is exaggerated by the shape of the rock but even without NoSmoke oil additive, my 12" saw does not mist very much. I open the top immediately, and or if occupied wait a couple of minutes for things to drip down, but mist is not a problem. I'll admit to living in dusty New Mexico so some oil may be masked by dust in my shop, but its hardly the oil sheen that is implied will occur. So fear not and adjust the oil level gradually, and use no smoke if you want. Again I use a couple of gulps/glugs when I have used it, and not the complete bottle that I've heard others talk about. Perhaps our mile high elevation and dry air is ideal for rock saw atmospherics, but I suspect others can achieve the low mist target too.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 16:34:44 GMT -5
You have NM dust Peruano and here in MS we have 5ft of freshly dropped pollen daily 😂😂 I haven't even gotten to the saw mist dilemma yet. I'm going to get that cart thingy (the measurements are actually about the same as the table or might just get the table that comes with the industrial wheels) get the Saw moved on it then comes PUTTING IT TOGETHER! I'm going to turn into a mechanic yet!!!
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Post by youp50 on Mar 21, 2017 18:20:51 GMT -5
I do not know what the outside of your shop looks like, but...
I would ventilate the cabinet out doors. A low dollar 1 1/2 gallon shop vac under 40 at most stores, a hole in the cover to adapt the hose, a piece of pvc out the wall, hook your vacuum up outside. Keep the filter paper changed. Probably would not use it for diesel or kerosene based cutting fluids.
I would devise an air eductor for those fluids. Drill a hole at 30 degrees or so in the pvc. Stick a pipe into the hole. Hook up an air line, low pressure maybe 15 psi and suck the mist outside with no danger of ignition.
I have the pleasure of pushing a saw out into the snow for 5 or 6 months per year, much preferred to discharge the mist out of doors.
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Post by unclesoska on Mar 21, 2017 18:33:54 GMT -5
Misting on my LS12 seemed to increase w/ the temperature, both of the oil after cutting a few, and outside air temp. My saw was located outside, but under cover of one of those tarp garages, which could get pretty toasty in summer. I would go inside to my A.C., and after 1/2 hour, return to the finished cut, and try to open the lid. If it was still misty, I'd close lid and wait another few minutes. Other times I would leave the saw closed for 5 minutes after completing cut, by then the mist had settled. Someone else mentioned not overfilling w/ oil. Good advice. I wonder if the type of blade would make a difference? Continuous rim vs. crimped rim. Seems w/ increased surface area the crimped might be mistier, though that's just a guess.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 18:38:26 GMT -5
Mist, by its nature, is suspended in air. It will settle, but unless given a stupidly long amount of time to do so, it still needs to dissipate. By opening the lid. If you can wait 20 minutes after a cut to see whatcha got in there, more power to ya! That will help. Maybe I'm overly cautious about not wanting the breath that oil mist, but I don't think so - for me. I smoke and have done enough other (industrial type) crap to my lungs over my lifetime that little things like saw oil mist and silly ailments such as bronchitis and pneumonia are to be avoided as much as possible. I know... I'm goofy that way. Any chance of installing a good exhaust fan in the wall behind the saw? Probably be pretty darn easy to do. Make sure it can't rain in through the fan or that critters can get in. Just a thought... I'm a smoker too as you know 😂😂 and thank you for being cautious with your lungs and mine!! An exhaust fan is very doable. I have to much to do to get sick!!
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Post by captbob on Mar 21, 2017 19:06:49 GMT -5
I don't own and have never used a Lortone 12" saw. Maybe there won't be a mist problem. Maybe that mist reducer stuff works and will help if there is a problem. Don't know.
Don't mean to be sounding overly dramatic regarding saw oil mist, and it's not my intention to be crying wolf. If oil mist is a non-issue for your saw - you win. Can only figure that your 12" saw probably won't be all that different from my 14" saw.
In my closed garage, it was quickly an issue for me. The week after I got the saw I had to go see a doctor and was told I had bronchitis. When it didn't go away as expected and I went back it was changed to acute sinusitis - which I didn't believe, wrong symptoms.
Anyway, the only difference in my life when whatever it was happened was the saw.
I left the lid closed for several minutes after a cut so the mist could settle. Then went in and opened the lid, immediately leaving the area to allow more time for the mist to dissipate. Maybe it wasn't the oil mist that made me sick. Can't say 100% for sure, but I just don't care to play that game again, so I now take my saw outside to use it. Better safe (not sick) than sorry?
I use food grade mineral oil in my saws. Not sure there is a better oil that I can go with than that.
Take my experience as you wish. Many say there is no problem with saw oil mist. I feel differently. If simple precautions can be helpful in reducing the mist, no harm in doing what you can.
And, I wouldn't expect an oily sheen all over your shop. It's just a very fine mist that can settle. No biggie I guess, but I don't want it in my shop if I have a choice. Seems to attract more dust than normal.
YMMV
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Post by Pat on Mar 21, 2017 19:24:00 GMT -5
Our lungs do best breathing air. Clean air.
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Post by melhill1659 on Mar 21, 2017 19:43:13 GMT -5
I think it's all wonderful advice and different advice from different people is always welcome. You never know what hiccups will come in the future.
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