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Post by jamesp on Mar 31, 2017 20:11:12 GMT -5
Golden club is a spath less arum. Aquatic plant. These are seed plants. These on my farm. Each yellow club makes about 10 garbanzo bean sized seeds. They have spread by seed in this 1/4 acre pond. A bit poisonous but deer seem to eat the like iceberg lettuce. Beavers and muskrats love them. More common where alligators eat beavers and muskrats, ha. Gator protected. Collected seed near Pheonix City Alabama, L. Eufaula. Big gator lake. BIG gators.    Typical arum with a spate (peltandra virginica):  |
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Post by Pat on Mar 31, 2017 20:16:10 GMT -5
Interesting. Remind me of cat tails.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 31, 2017 20:29:37 GMT -5
Interesting. Remind me of cat tails. They are peculiar due to being an arum and not having a shroud around the seed bearing stem. Cattails do the same thing, seed pod wide open. However, cattail seeds are a heck of a lot trickier to germinate. Golden club seeds germinate easy as water melon seeds. I have to get in the water(my office) late July and collect the seeds. I sell them for $100/pound to my competitors. This pond has leaches so I wear waders. It is shallow and the Blue Herons eat all the fish that normally eat all the leaches. Dog eat dog world out there Pat. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 12:17:11 GMT -5
Awesome!
LEECHES!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2017 18:03:00 GMT -5
Need some heron proof fish. Or some gators to eat the heron
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Post by Pat on Apr 1, 2017 18:05:55 GMT -5
What eats leeches??
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Post by jamesp on Apr 2, 2017 2:19:50 GMT -5
Need some heron proof fish. Or some gators to eat the heron That pond drops in level late summer just long enough for the Golden Club seeds to germinate. It is during that month that the heron's go to town on the fish. Gators eating the Heron's is fine, what about me ? |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 2, 2017 2:26:02 GMT -5
These fish Pat. They love leeches. A swamp about 20 miles south of my home is full of leeches. I found out the hard way.   |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 13:36:28 GMT -5
Need some heron proof fish. Or some gators to eat the heron That pond drops in level late summer just long enough for the Golden Club seeds to germinate. It is during that month that the heron's go to town on the fish. Gators eating the Heron's is fine, what about me ? Gators don't eat people, mostly. wont survive there with snow and all. Herons get 100% of the fish? |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 2, 2017 14:24:54 GMT -5
That pond drops in level late summer just long enough for the Golden Club seeds to germinate. It is during that month that the heron's go to town on the fish. Gators eating the Heron's is fine, what about me ? Gators don't eat people, mostly. wont survive there with snow and all. Herons get 100% of the fish? Herons are efficient. They get most of them. Goldfish farms get hammered by them. They put bird nets out. Alligators eating people ? People are cautious about swimming in alligator infested water mainly because of the swampy habitat. On the other hand, beaches invite people and there are a lot of unpublicized shark attacks in Florida. Lake George and Lake Kerr is located in a small town and the locals are fairly comfortable taking their chances swimming in their swampy habitat. Be aware that 4 alligator attacks have taken place within 8 miles of my camp in a 6 year period. Two resulted in deaths. People started staying out of the water for the past 5 years since. I would guess that if people were swimming in the gator lakes at the rate they swim on the beach you may be surprised by the amount of attacks. Especially in the big Florida lakes where the big ones reside. It just makes me wonder how many attacks do not get documented. Here is 3 attacks that has happened fairly recently on tiny Juniper Springs creek. I snorkel in this creek for arrowheads and shark's teeth. This is a tiny canoe run about 6 miles long and is not that heavily frequented. It is 5 miles from my camp. Two of these attacks I was unaware of till this search. OCALA, Fla. - A woman floating down a river in the Ocala National Forest was bitten on the head by an alligator, wildlife officials say. The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission says four hikers were lost Sunday when they began floating down a river in the Juniper Springs Wilderness, a remote area of the national forest where swimming is prohibited. Wildlife officials say a 6- to 8-foot alligator attacked Suzanne Barnes, biting her on the head. A FWC incident report says the bite "appears to be a case of mistaken identity" because the alligator immediately let go and swam away. One at Juniper Creek, near Sweetwater Springs, killed Annmarie Campbell, 23. She was a former Ocala resident and art student living in Paris, Tenn. She was visiting the Ocala area in May, and had been swimming with three companions. He and five friends from Jacksonville were canoeing on a 7-mile run off Juniper Springs in the Ocala National Forest. It was Morrow's third time making the canoe run. The first 6 miles of the trip had been relaxing, uneventful and hot. Morrow decided to cool off so he slipped into the waist-deep, clear water along the bank wearing a mask and snorkel. He was in the water for less than a minute when he saw something move in front of him. Briefly, he was aware that he was face to face with an alligator. ''I saw the head coming toward me, then I saw its mouth open,'' he said. ''Next thing I knew, my head was inside the gator's mouth. He started shaking me like a rag doll. He just kept shaking me from side to side, shaking and shaking.'' |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 2, 2017 14:36:15 GMT -5
I was wade fishing 100 yards out in Lake George August 2011 and had a whopper park his big but 50 feet from me.
I started walking backward in the waist deep water when he slowly raised his tail out of the water.
I know that behavior, a bad omen. Pow, he slapped his tail on the water and went under.
I figure I had about a 50/50. He was a big tan gator.
I went back home and my neighbor called me and said they killed a 12 foot tan.
He had removed the calf off of a man wading in front of my camp collecting arrowheads in the lake. Guessing it was the same wacko gator.
You can tell when they aren't right; they are bold and get close to you or boat.
The wacko ones come in our canals and are not shy. My neighbors shoot them when they behave like that.
People probably fed them. Making them forward around humans.
They are for real. NOT TO BE TRUSTED.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 22:37:28 GMT -5
Those all happen in places where the people don't know where the gators are, doing behaviours they shouldn't be. In your pond you know where IT is and well, you just don't taste that good!  Lol |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 3, 2017 5:34:25 GMT -5
Those all happen in places where the people don't know where the gators are, doing behaviours they shouldn't be. In your pond you know where IT is and well, you just don't taste that good! Lol 1000's of hours collecting plants in north half of Georgia and 1000's of hours south in alligator water. For the past 6-7 years I propagate on site and about quit collecting. Got tired of critters biting and threatening. Govt. regulators. Even in recent years the giant water bug has proliferated in my Atlanta ponds. They have caused me more bodily harm than any one critter. The guy in Florida that collects water hyacinth for half his living has been bit many times by Moccasins. Has health issues from bites. His hands and arms are messed up. Doc told him to give it up or face amputations. He was bad, he would plant introduced and often noxious plants all over Florida back in heyday of aquarium plant days. He ruined many a native wetland. DNR would like to catch him and send him to prison rightfully so. He cat and moused with them till he retired this year. The DNR has gotten so strict about collecting these days you are forced to collect in remote locations to avoid getting caught. Florida will issue you a permit to collect aquatic plants where populations will not be damaged and proper techniques are used. (Aquatic Plants of Florida) apofl.com/plants/contract-growing/groundcovers_/Local native plants are needed for mitigation in large quantities. Either way, not a good place to be when attacked by a gator or bitten by a Moccasin. Me done gambling. I had a Kawasaki Ultra Jetski that had a 1500cc 2 stroke engine modded and cranking 200 HP. It would skip across the flat water at 70 MPH. Not unusual to go 50 to 70 miles out to collect. Not unusual to not see a soul on the St. John's river the whole trip out and back. Desolate place. What do you mean I don't taste good ? If you don't bathe for 2 weeks at a time.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 8:56:17 GMT -5
Reptile stores will buy giant water bugs. I can buy 1000 of them.
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 3, 2017 9:22:50 GMT -5
I never ran across any gators except when I visited the Okefenokee, but I did swim with gars. Nasty, nasty evil looking dinosaurs! They would literally chase us in the water hole with their mouths chomping. Scared the hell out of us, but supposedly they don't attack humans. Could have fooled me. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_gar |
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Post by fantastic5 on Apr 3, 2017 13:12:17 GMT -5
Those Golden Clubs are so pretty! 10 seeds per club. Do they drop in summer or are you harvesting the clubs to get the seeds? $100/lb? Roughly how many seeds make a pound? Doesn't look like that many plants.
Your business sense amazes me. Entrepreneur through and through.
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Post by radio on Apr 3, 2017 19:10:55 GMT -5
Amazing plants! That just reminded me it's time to sprout some more of those Lotus seeds!
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2017 5:02:31 GMT -5
Those Golden Clubs are so pretty! 10 seeds per club. Do they drop in summer or are you harvesting the clubs to get the seeds? $100/lb? Roughly how many seeds make a pound? Doesn't look like that many plants. Your business sense amazes me. Entrepreneur through and through. About late July those clubs get heavy with seed and lay on the water Ann. The seed is about 1/2" round. All you have to do is slide your hand up the stalk when ripe and the seeds come off in your hand. That pond makes about 15 gallons of seed. Used to sell all I could grow. 300 seeds/pound Mitigation biz has slowed down, sell a few pounds here and there to growers/competitors these days. It is not so common and unfortunately remains undiscovered for ornamental native plantings. It is vulnerable to muskrat and beavers, I have seen then eradicate 5 acre stands in one warm season. They proliferate in gator country where the beavers and muskrats don't seem to exist. apparently in NE US too: www.aroid.org/gallery/gibernau/aroideana/0150007.pdf |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2017 5:12:21 GMT -5
Amazing plants! That just reminded me it's time to sprout some more of those Lotus seeds! I was thinking you would be dividing lotus by tubers. Did any of them take last year ? We planted up 100 tubs for resale using tubers in March. Used to do 300-400. Shoulda germinated seed for them. The lazy way. I got to germinate some too. Getting ready to order some Chinese seed on Ebay. I have another pond to plant, may do the mixed China hybrids in it to see what the blooms look like. They have been hybridizing them apparently for a couple of 1000 years..curious what they look like. Yes, about time in Missouri Arlen, let's get a move on. |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2017 5:35:12 GMT -5
I never ran across any gators except when I visited the Okefenokee, but I did swim with gars. Nasty, nasty evil looking dinosaurs! They would literally chase us in the water hole with their mouths chomping. Scared the hell out of us, but supposedly they don't attack humans. Could have fooled me. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alligator_gar My Uncle lived in Waycross Georgia. He used to take me to the Okefenokee when a boy. I remember the sign "No dogs in boat". Still a park rule. Ha, for good reason. Dogs get gators excited. Of all the places not to swim, that spot is full of tame gators. Tame meaning they are used to humans. Gars were least of your concerns. Me not getting in the public areas of that swamp. There was a flat spot near Fargo in the swamp. There was always 2-4 dozen large gators sitting on it. Throw a dead fish in the water and watch a bunch of them go after it. Throw anything in the water and watch them go after it. Fall in the water and you would last 5 seconds. They were 'tame' in sorts, they were not particular about what they ate. That was almost 50 years ago. They have learned not to let people feed the gators. Rare to see such gator gatherings this day. They trap tame ones best they can and relocate them to desolate areas.(probably kill some of them). |
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