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Post by radio on Apr 4, 2017 6:31:46 GMT -5
Amazing plants! That just reminded me it's time to sprout some more of those Lotus seeds! I was thinking you would be dividing lotus by tubers. Did any of them take last year ? We planted up 100 tubs for resale using tubers in March. Used to do 300-400. Shoulda germinated seed for them. The lazy way. I got to germinate some too. Getting ready to order some Chinese seed on Ebay. I have another pond to plant, may do the mixed China hybrids in it to see what the blooms look like. They have been hybridizing them apparently for a couple of 1000 years..curious what they look like. Yes, about time in Missouri Arlen, let's get a move on. They didn't do well last year. I think they were too cramped and I got the fertilizing thing bass ackwards or something. Growing rocks is easier. After all, I do live in STONE County.  |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2017 7:51:45 GMT -5
radio, wait till the leaves come up to fertilize. I finally figured out NOT to put fertilizer in the bottom of the pot, as it burns the roots. put a layer of soil in about 1-2 inches deep with no fertilizer, Then add another layer of soil with time release Dynamite fertilizer from Home Depot mixed in. That makes pretty lotus. It is the most sensitive plant on earth. Stone County eh, sounds like home for a rockhound.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Apr 4, 2017 11:22:55 GMT -5
Just when I think the lotus are dead after winter, they send up leaves again. Still have more seeds I could sprout as well. They really are sensitive to the chlorine in our tap water.
Also still have some of the water lilies. They get totally neglected.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2017 13:00:15 GMT -5
Just when I think the lotus are dead after winter, they send up leaves again. Still have more seeds I could sprout as well. They really are sensitive to the chlorine in our tap water. Also still have some of the water lilies. They get totally neglected. Lilies tough, lotus sensitive. Lilies can do lots of neglect and fertilizer. |
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Post by radio on Apr 4, 2017 15:16:09 GMT -5
radio , wait till the leaves come up to fertilize. I finally figured out NOT to put fertilizer in the bottom of the pot, as it burns the roots. put a layer of soil in about 1-2 inches deep with no fertilizer, Then add another layer of soil with time release Dynamite fertilizer from Home Depot mixed in. That makes pretty lotus. It is the most sensitive plant on earth. Stone County eh, sounds like home for a rockhound. I'll give it another go and see what happens. Yep, Stone Co, but no pretty rocks here. All Limestone and nondescript chert nodules. A few interesting marine fossils in the creek, but the big find was the Trilobite. |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 4, 2017 20:02:24 GMT -5
You used to live out west radio ? |
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Post by radio on Apr 5, 2017 7:40:36 GMT -5
You used to live out west radio ? Was born and raised in Missouri but the wife and I moved to Tulsa, then from Tulsa to California in '89 and spent 20 years in the central valley in and around Modesto. Moved back to Missouri in '09 |
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Post by Fossilman on Apr 5, 2017 9:44:56 GMT -5
Those are some interesting looking plants James.........Also nothing better than a fry of Blue Gill on the plate,with tator salad....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 9:48:00 GMT -5
Those are some interesting looking plants James.........Also nothing better than a fry of Blue Gill on the plate,with tator salad.... Beer batter bluegill!! Woot!! |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 5, 2017 9:49:03 GMT -5
You used to live out west radio ? Was born and raised in Missouri but the wife and I moved to Tulsa, then from Tulsa to California in '89 and spent 20 years in the central valley in and around Modesto. Moved back to Missouri in '09 So you are spoiled Arlen. You had access to those fine California rocks for 20 years. Bet the deer hunting is better in MO. Can't always have your cake and eat it to. You see, you also get to live w/us smart azz southerners if you live in MO. Be thankful. |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 5, 2017 9:57:37 GMT -5
Those are some interesting looking plants James.........Also nothing better than a fry of Blue Gill on the plate,with tator salad.... We call them titty bream. Too big to get your hands around them to remove the hook. So you have to hold them against your chest to remove the hook. Yep, good ole panfish, a universal language. There are tiny patches of exposed hard bottom(lime rock) at 45,000 acre lake George Florida. Must be 1% of 1% of 1% of the lake. Everyone of them holds copperhead Bluegill. Every one is over 1/2 pound, more like 3/4 pound. The only one that knows where the hard bottoms are is the guy that wade fishes and feels bottom with feet or poles the bottom from the boat. Throw a hundred casts, catch a hundred copperheads. 365 days a year.  |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 5, 2017 10:38:53 GMT -5
Those are some interesting looking plants James.........Also nothing better than a fry of Blue Gill on the plate,with tator salad.... Beer batter bluegill!! Woot!! Caught about every sunfish known. The copperheads out of Lake George must be a specific natural hybrid. Always large. Most reliable big bluegill I ever found. I can have a meal for 4 any time any day in 10 minutes not 100 feet from my property line, but must wade in a bad gator spot. I just gut them and cook them in the skin scales and all. Pull the meat w/out messing w/the skin. 1/3 catchup 1/3 cocktail 1/3 tarter sauce = best fish sauce in world. Cheese grits. Collected palmetto hearts. Then ready to sow oats lol. Hard bottom copperhead hole. No eel grass grows on it at waist deep(hinting hard bottom). Hard bottom patch is ~ 100' X 200'. Honeycomb ed with bream beds. Trips you due to bream beds. Other patches of hard bottom within 500 feet but only 30' X 30' exposures. Still hold a lot of fish. Next waterfront neighbor is 10 miles downstream(north), and docks 7 miles upstream(south). So all the big gators stack up here to avoid humans. My in-laws in photo were fishing close to a 12 and a 13 foot gator, seen them several times before they arrived. So the boat and so the group of people August 2, prime gator mating season. I use my little Go Devil to pull the giant 17 foot Gruman canoe around. It has a 950 pound load rating. It has a flat stern, need to put Devil on it someday.  View of copperhead hole. It is in front of the left most cattail stand about dead center in photo. (who would ever know) Those 3 cattail stands hint at hard bottom. No one knows that. Just the aquatic plant collector. I funded many trips filling cattail orders right there in those stands. The DNR is constantly spraying them with glycophosphate trying to kill them. Those stands are serious gator habitat. About every few hours you will here a big splash and a bird screaming for it's life. In a gator's jaws.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 10:49:16 GMT -5
Lake Perris, CA has "Florida Strain" Bluegill. Fill the boat with 2# males, throw the girls back. Crickets are the fair.   |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 5, 2017 11:26:07 GMT -5
Oh my, we rarely catch them like that @shotgunner. That is a real slab. Tall as it is wide. that would be a fight.
That one would be a wall hanger over here.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 12:58:11 GMT -5
Oh my, we rarely catch them like that @shotgunner. That is a real slab. Tall as it is wide. that would be a fight. That one would be a wall hanger over here. And 3" thick! No large predator fish or gators here. One lake, Skinner, where that slab was caught does have striped bass. I think the stripers don't eat them maybe due to size or spiny nature. Maybe only the fasted biggest growers survive? Anyways lake records are over 3# for bluegills. My biggest is 2# and on 4# line it's a helluva battle! |
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Post by jamesp on Apr 6, 2017 9:11:39 GMT -5
Oh my, we rarely catch them like that @shotgunner. That is a real slab. Tall as it is wide. that would be a fight. That one would be a wall hanger over here. And 3" thick! No large predator fish or gators here. One lake, Skinner, where that slab was caught does have striped bass. I think the stripers don't eat them maybe due to size or spiny nature. Maybe only the fasted biggest growers survive? Anyways lake records are over 3# for bluegills. My biggest is 2# and on 4# line it's a helluva battle! Amazing how distorted those fish get when they get big. Looks like a frisbee. I would think you have shell crackers there. They like hard bottom and eat freshwater shellfish. They get big too. Replica of the world record shell cracker(red ear). Note distortion of proportions I think L Havasu has the new record red ear. Western lakes incl. Texas make big fish.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 9:54:22 GMT -5
jamesp we have redear sunfish in the same lakes. Don'tget as big in my experience
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Post by jamesp on Apr 6, 2017 13:37:40 GMT -5
jamesp we have redear sunfish in the same lakes. Don'tget as big in my experience Florida has a rich shellfish population making the shell crackers big. Lime bottom etc. Seems that the shell crackers may hold the record around here. They are normally the biggest sunfish we catch, then bluegills. Florida is full of red belly's, they don't get as big but fight like a tiger. |
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Post by Garage Rocker on Apr 6, 2017 13:45:24 GMT -5
jamesp we have redear sunfish in the same lakes. Don'tget as big in my experience Florida has a rich shellfish population making the shell crackers big. Lime bottom etc. Seems that the shell crackers may hold the record around here. They are normally the biggest sunfish we catch, then bluegills. Florida is full of red belly's, they don't get as big but fight like a tiger. All good eating, I'm sure. Pan fish are the best. Bluegill and shell crackers around these parts. I've caught the same five or six bluegill and one bass in my brother's small pond time and time again. Could have named them by now. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 13:56:48 GMT -5
jamesp we have redear sunfish in the same lakes. Don'tget as big in my experience Florida has a rich shellfish population making the shell crackers big. Lime bottom etc. Seems that the shell crackers may hold the record around here. They are normally the biggest sunfish we catch, then bluegills. Florida is full of red belly's, they don't get as big but fight like a tiger. So the giant redear out here are due to the introduction of the quagga mussel. |
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