Wooferhound
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Post by Wooferhound on Apr 25, 2017 9:52:43 GMT -5
I am about to start another Polish experiment which I will reveal later. But to better understand the results I need to know if the rocks will produce a shine all by themselfs with plastic beads, but without any polish added ?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 10:13:08 GMT -5
Can only tell you that the ancients used to do final polishing using a piece of the same type stone. It will be interesting to know whether this would work in a tumbler.
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Post by Wooferhound on Apr 25, 2017 10:45:05 GMT -5
Did the ancients peddle their tumblers ? Probably used a water wheel . . .
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Post by ChicagoDave on Apr 25, 2017 15:24:22 GMT -5
What exactly are you out to reinvent? A 5lb bag of polish from the Rock Shed costs $20 and will most likely last as long as you stay interested in this hobby.
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Post by deb193redux on Apr 25, 2017 15:34:09 GMT -5
rocks hard enough to polish have been known to get h high satin shine under running water for a long time.
In a tumbler with similar hardness, rock might eventually polish. With agate a MOHS 7 and Carbide a MOHS 9, I would expect polishing with only pellets to take 100 times as long. (Each MOHS number is 10x increase in hardness)
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Post by Wooferhound on Apr 25, 2017 15:38:07 GMT -5
Not really trying to reinvent anything, but I do have a theory that Ashes would be fine enough to polish glass. And more specifically . . . Marijuana ashes . . . Thinking that ashes may too soft and breakdown into mud without any shiny effect, but I have enough to experiment with.
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Post by captbob on Apr 25, 2017 16:44:32 GMT -5
I have found well rounded river rocks before, and none of them had what I consider a shine. Don't see how just running rocks in a tumbler without polish would produce a shine. Not thinking that running them with ashes will make a difference either.
Would I be incorrect if I were to surmise that you came up with this idea while producing all those marijuana ashes you plan on using?
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Post by ChicagoDave on Apr 25, 2017 16:46:52 GMT -5
You need to buy a Lot-O. While you're producing all that ash you could stare into that thing and get lost for hours. Just sayin'...
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Post by captbob on Apr 25, 2017 16:54:58 GMT -5
Heck, two days ago he posted in the Shout Box that he was drinking beer out of a tumbler barrel. Maybe he could make a bong out of the Lot-O
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Post by wigglinrocks on Apr 25, 2017 17:29:31 GMT -5
Make enough of those ashes and you will probably see a shine on a brick .
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Post by Wooferhound on Apr 25, 2017 17:34:41 GMT -5
Well . . . yes I did think of this idea while producing the Ashes. I would love to get a vibratory tumbler to watch while smoking ... I already have too much fun watching the rotary tumblers spinning while I'm making ashes. Owned a nightclub for 3 years ... learned that a Rock Tumbler is a thick drinking glass with faceted sides. Drinking from a small Rock Tumbler tonight again . . . then I will break them up and polish them in a rock tumbler . . .
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Post by youp50 on Apr 25, 2017 20:21:16 GMT -5
There is a river in Upper Michigan, on the west end of the Porcupine Mountain State Park called Presque Isle. There are real cool circular pockets, cylinders removed from the bedrock. Legend had Ojibway putting pebbles in the pockets and picking out the round stones much later. Nothing in the legend about shine. I do not think Ojibwas produced any cannabis ashes, in the old days.
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Post by wigglinrocks on Apr 25, 2017 20:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by jamesp on Apr 25, 2017 21:00:33 GMT -5
I'll give you an experiment woofer. Take ceramic media that has been coarse tumbled. Throw it in 50% with the rocks you want to polish. Betch you get a fine polish
coarse ground ceramic media 50% + Mohs 7 agates 50% = a polish, not shaping.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 21:01:36 GMT -5
Did the ancients peddle their tumblers ? Probably used a water wheel . . . No, they used slaves wielding pieces of the same material to get the high polish on everything from those marble columns to granite statues to agate cups to carnelian cameos to sapphire gems. Same method is still used today to polish diamonds (i.e., powdered diamond, though the slave part has been replaced by electric motors).
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Post by Wooferhound on Aug 14, 2018 19:06:28 GMT -5
I ran out of polish today and decided to go ahead and try this experiment since I have finally accumulated about a cup of ashes in over a year. Before today, these rocks had been rounded in 46 or larger grit, then a week each in 220 SiC, 600 SiC, with a water washing between each step.
Here is a picture of some sample rocks that I will photograph again next week on Tuesdays cleanout for comparison. and a pic of the barrel about 70% full of rocks and water to just under the top of the rocks. Sorry, no pictures of the ashes ...
Will see y'all next week with some more pictures . . .
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Post by goatgrinder on Aug 15, 2018 18:20:56 GMT -5
Not really trying to reinvent anything, but I do have a theory that Ashes would be fine enough to polish glass. And more specifically . . . Marijuana ashes . . . Thinking that ashes may too soft and breakdown into mud without any shiny effect, but I have enough to experiment with.
I don't know about that. Did you remove the seeds and stems? It might degloss whatever you are tumbling. Seeds and stems do that to everyone. Frankly I don't think Polish will work any better than German or Portuguese. I use cerium oxide for my final turns in the tumbler.
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Post by Wooferhound on Aug 23, 2018 15:49:00 GMT -5
Did my cleanout on Wednesday and Updating on Thursday.
Opened the Barrel up and it was very frothy in there, but it dissipated quickly and barely had time to get a picture of it. Slurry was a lot like thin used motor oil or chocolate milk. Here is the entire batch. I would say that half the rocks actually did have a polish, and the other half were just slightly better than when they started a week ago. Here are the sample rocks with their Before & After pictures. The rock at the bottomleft has cracked in half during the polish step. The Topright rock is the Panama that I got from Alikat218 out of the Traveling Rock Box. It had the best polish out of the whole batch. I will keep it as-is and since it was polished in Pot Ashes it will be my "Panama Red". 4 of the rocks split into 2 pieces during this tumble, a rather high number for my usual polish tumbles. Was surprised that everything polished so well with fresh broken pieces in the mix.
These are the best polishes out of the batch so there was some polishing action going on there. Can I call this stuff "Pot Ash" ?
--- Conclusion --- Tumbling with Pot Ashes is expensive and does not work very good, although it is a little bit effective.
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Post by MsAli on Aug 23, 2018 17:20:05 GMT -5
Wow it is shiny- Doesn't look like it had a lot of fractures in it? You'll have to post a solo of it so I can get a better look
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