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Post by grayfingers on May 4, 2017 17:34:38 GMT -5
@shotgunner True, no man's horse. But to many, would be as bad as eating a dog. Morally. Same with domestic rabbits, I raised them for many years, great eating and healthful. But one can't make it past the 'how could you eat a bunny' thing...
Edit: For marketing them, that is. Most efficient feed conversion ratio of the meat animals.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 21:25:41 GMT -5
I like that pied white one.
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Post by vegasjames on May 5, 2017 1:12:16 GMT -5
I did not know the horses predated humans in the west. Always heard they were descended from horses lost by the Spanish. Even if they only dated back to the great push westward they are a pert of our heritage. And the Burros from the gold rush too. They deserve their place to live in peace. The numbers of wild horses could be controlled when/if needed by darting young ones for adoption. The fees could help fund the program. As James alluded, the BLM lies about the numbers the range will support without threatening other species. Nothing more beautiful than wild horses running free. Highly recommend this documentary about wild horses in the Pryor Mountains of Montana and Wyoming. www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/cloud-wild-stallion-of-the-rockies-video-full-episode/260/There are actually a lot of fossils from horses in Southern Nevada up around the Beatty area. So horses have been part of this land for an extremely long time. |
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Post by vegasjames on May 5, 2017 1:25:15 GMT -5
I did some homework on the species in north america. It seems they have spread here from Asia a number of times and each time went extinct. Then with Columbus bringing caballos they have repopulated again. I'll stipulate they are as close to native as it comes. It's a stupid law that protects them. They should be hunted as other hoofstock are in North America. Game hunting won't harm the species, will bring money into the state in which they inhabit, and will feed many hungry people, in an environmentally friendly manner. Hunting saved the Scimitar horned oryx from extinction, protection now has doomed it to disappear. Better to eat tasty wild horse than feed lot cattle, in my estimation anyways. Hard to say if they ever really went extinct. So much of what we get taught is nothing more than BS such as Columbus discovering America when the Chinese, Norwegians and numerous others were coming here long before Columbus. In fact the oldest mummy found in North America was found in Northern Nevada and was a very tall red headed Caucasian. Or Edison discovering the light bulb when they were in existence almost 100 yeas before Edison's improvement on the bulb. Or Ford investing the automobile when two German scientists actually beat Ford to it. So did the horses that were on this land long before humans really go extinct or were they here all along and merely changed form some from breeding with other horses that were brought in later? There is really no way to know for sure. As far as hunting them why stop there. Why don't we hunt bald eagles? Or what about manatees? Or desert tortoises since they were once food for the Native Americans? How do we select what to hunt and what should not be hunted? And the wild horse populations are not like cattle in the US and simply do not have sustainable numbers. That is one of the reasons they are under Federal protection in the first place. |
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Post by vegasjames on May 5, 2017 1:30:10 GMT -5
I presume Jax knows those Mustangs will kick her into California. Two dogs named Jax lol ? I saw a horse kick a dog once. Looked like a nothing blow. Dog was severely injured. The dog was to the side of the horse. Side kick is nasty. Amazing how healthy the foals are. Beautiful country. I would not even let Jax get near them since I did not want her scaring them. Especially with protective mothers and there was one male who was being pretty aggressive to several of the other males. The mothers did let me get close to the colts but they would walk over close to me just in case until they realized I meant no harm. So I kept Jax in the car while I took the photos. |
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Post by orrum on May 5, 2017 6:41:27 GMT -5
I adopted a Mustang and her filly thru the BLM back in the late 90s. Her name was Jasmine, she was a wonderful attentive animal. Took a while for her to gentle down, she was from the White Plains Nevada area. When I first got her you could toss a biscuit behind her and she would kick it so hard the flour would go one way and the grease be slung out the other direction! LOL She is still alive today, a lady in Dillon Sc owns her now. She is s mite heaves prone but still riding well!
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2017 9:39:08 GMT -5
And the wild horse populations are not like cattle in the US and simply do not have sustainable numbers.
Well, the BLM removing them with helicopters is the same as hunters using rifles. Except hunters would take less. Numbers seem stable, and reports like yours indicate population is growing.
I have been going to the Mojave for 30 years and I see more horses and burros now than ever before. Almost very trip for the last 2 years. We are also entering a wet period in the Mojave. We will see what that does for the horses. I suspect 30 years of wet seasons will make them a nuisance under "protection".
I would love to see wild horses on Main St again! That would be awesome. You would agree I am sure.
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Post by vegasjames on May 5, 2017 16:15:43 GMT -5
And the wild horse populations are not like cattle in the US and simply do not have sustainable numbers.Well, the BLM removing them with helicopters is the same as hunters using rifles. Except hunters would take less. Numbers seem stable, and reports like yours indicate population is growing. I have been going to the Mojave for 30 years and I see more horses and burros now than ever before. Almost very trip for the last 2 years. We are also entering a wet period in the Mojave. We will see what that does for the horses. I suspect 30 years of wet seasons will make them a nuisance under "protection". I would love to see wild horses on Main St again! That would be awesome. You would agree I am sure. Man always manages to screw things up when they try to control nature. I already brought up the removal of the wolves as one example. What has happened to New Orleans because they tried to control flooding is another example as is the introduction of kudzu in the South. I don't see the BLM round ups being the same as hunting. What the NLM is doing is coming up with bogus excuses to break the law. Their bogus reasoning is that there is not enough food and water to sustain the horses, which is blatantly false. There is plenty of vegetation out there for them, which is why the horses do not look emaciated. And there are natural springs and other water sources all over Southern Nevada but as I pointed out earlier watering holes are being fenced off so the horses cannot access the water, which allows the BLM to use the excuse of not enough water. And if people really think about it if there is not enough food and water for the horses then they should ban open range grazing since this would also mean not enough food and water for the cattle, who also do a lot of damage to the land by trampling down vegetation and compacting the soil. There you go, since it is not illegal to kill cows then you can petition to have permits issued to hunt the cows that are overgrazing the land and vastly outnumber the wild horses left!!! Problem solved and a protected species would no longer be threatened. And speaking of which and the fact that man messes things up when they try to control nature there is something else to keep in mind. When we take out the wild horses like this the weaker are dying out in the round ups but the stronger genetic pool is also being removed. This means less genetic diversity, which means problems in the long run such as less disease resistance. A disease from this weakening of the genetic pool could easily put them in danger of extinction or wipe them out. And yes, the burro population has increased significantly. But they are an invasive species unlike the wild horses. And again the wild burro thing was man's doing, the wild horses are not really as again horses have been on this land long before humans and nature always kept the populations in check without human interference. The horse population is not out of control. That is simply an excuse being used by BLM to cater to the cattle ranchers. Again if the land is not that sustainable as they claim then they need to ban open range grazing altogether to protect the land and the desert tortoise and other endangered species that may get trampled by the cattle. And if they are that desperate for increased revenue then they can force our tow biggest industries, casinos and mining, to pay their fair share of taxes. The way things are going with the BLM it will not matter anyway since land is being closed off right and left anyway. Not just in California with the big land grab for the Mojave National Preserve that happened recently or the recent land grab down in Arizona ad Gold Butte. Nevada just extended Tule Springs here and made it a National Monument from Las Vegas to above Indian Springs 40 miles North of here. And they are trying to close all dirt roads from Searchlight South of here to Laughlin. Since you can't hunt on preserve and you will not be able to go off road anywhere if BLM gets its way then you will be limited to only hunting in cities and private ranches with permission. |
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Post by Pat on May 5, 2017 16:50:31 GMT -5
Years ago a daughter heard about the wild horses that needed a home. She determined that we had room for a horse, and it could live in her room when not outside playing. Years later, she bought an Andalusian. Sasha is a beautiful horse. I notice that Sasha lives in a barn in the nearby hills.  I prefer my horses to be on the other side of the fence. |
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Post by Sabre52 on May 5, 2017 17:53:07 GMT -5
" Shaking my head" Eating a horse!!!!! WTF! That sounds like a freaking sacrilegious froggy European. Real Mericans don't eat their horses or their dogs, gulldangit!!!! I promise not to tell Blue what some humans are like *L*. He'd be mightily offended as am I.
Now cows, they is stupid, slobbery and ugly and taste goooooooood. And they gives horses fine exercise chasing them round.
Stopping hunting on oryx may make them extinct. They tried to repatriate some back to Africa but the hungry natives ate them. Still have lots here in Texas. Neighbor has a couple that sometimes used to visit me over the fence. Wilder now that they are mature. Haven't seen them in awhile. They are monster huge critters but really pretty.....Mel
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Post by drocknut on May 5, 2017 19:17:06 GMT -5
Beautiful pictures, thanks for sharing them.
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Post by vegasjames on May 5, 2017 20:33:53 GMT -5
These are pics from the other 3 herds I photographed further South in Nevada:  DSC_0765 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0766 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0770 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0773 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0775 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0782 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0799 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0800 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0825 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0826 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0828 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0829 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0831 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0834 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0837 by James Sloane, on Flickr  DSC_0838 by James Sloane, on Flickr  Herd 1-1 by James Sloane, on Flickr |
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Post by Sabre52 on May 5, 2017 22:44:59 GMT -5
Man, a couple of those mustangs are gorgeous. Some of those rascals are put together like little Conan the Barbarian horses, real compact and muscular. That last one is a beauty. Wish we could find one like that for our remuda!....Mel
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Post by vegasjames on May 6, 2017 0:03:33 GMT -5
Man, a couple of those mustangs are gorgeous. Some of those rascals are put together like little Conan the Barbarian horses, real compact and muscular. That last one is a beauty. Wish we could find one like that for our remuda!....Mel He is my favorite as well. Love his coloring. |
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Post by coloradocliff on May 8, 2017 2:48:03 GMT -5
Yes, the white faced one actually walked up to me and let me pet him. And another from another herd further South did the same thing with a friend of mine. Not long out of captivity then. Probably recently released by owners no longer able to afford to feed them. You may be right on not long out of cativiity. Those hooves look pretty evenly trimmed. |
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Post by coloradocliff on May 8, 2017 2:51:23 GMT -5
I did some homework on the species in north america. It seems they have spread here from Asia a number of times and each time went extinct. Then with Columbus bringing caballos they have repopulated again. I'll stipulate they are as close to native as it comes. It's a stupid law that protects them. They should be hunted as other hoofstock are in North America. Game hunting won't harm the species, will bring money into the state in which they inhabit, and will feed many hungry people, in an environmentally friendly manner. Hunting saved the Scimitar horned oryx from extinction, protection now has doomed it to disappear. Better to eat tasty wild horse than feed lot cattle, in my estimation anyways. Hard to say if they ever really went extinct. So much of what we get taught is nothing more than BS such as Columbus discovering America when the Chinese, Norwegians and numerous others were coming here long before Columbus. In fact the oldest mummy found in North America was found in Northern Nevada and was a very tall red headed Caucasian. Or Edison discovering the light bulb when they were in existence almost 100 yeas before Edison's improvement on the bulb. Or Ford investing the automobile when two German scientists actually beat Ford to it. So did the horses that were on this land long before humans really go extinct or were they here all along and merely changed form some from breeding with other horses that were brought in later? There is really no way to know for sure. As far as hunting them why stop there. Why don't we hunt bald eagles? Or what about manatees? Or desert tortoises since they were once food for the Native Americans? How do we select what to hunt and what should not be hunted? And the wild horse populations are not like cattle in the US and simply do not have sustainable numbers. That is one of the reasons they are under Federal protection in the first place. Yeah buddy. Government schools are teaching crocks of crap to our kids. |
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Post by coloradocliff on May 8, 2017 8:58:17 GMT -5
Wouldn't want to cook a horse.. Would take 3 days and then I would have to walk to town on Saturday nights to the cowboy bar.
Horses just don't look delicious but did eat some during the Jimmy Carter days when gov control got things out of whack like it always does. Remember interest rates over 20%?
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Post by parfive on Jun 21, 2017 13:05:47 GMT -5
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Post by vegasjames on Jun 21, 2017 17:31:56 GMT -5
The answer was right there. Birth control. Would cost so much less that rounding them up and housing them. I see some irony as well that the cattle ranchers who are reliant on horses want to see horses sent off for slaughter. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 18:17:44 GMT -5
Wow! I love that blonde paint or lied or whatever it is you call that pattern on a horse. The blonde one is amazing! Never saw that type before.
Thank you James!
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I prefer my horses to be on the other side of the fence. 
