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Post by wigglinrocks on Jul 23, 2017 22:42:55 GMT -5
Runnin short of rocks here so we decided to head down to one of the local pit to restock . Didn't spend a lot of time looking today but we did manage to bring home 3-4 gallons worth of rocks . Ended up tossing about a half gallon of those after cleaning the dried mud and crud off of them . Got a couple of quick pics of a couple of them for ya . This one has a lot going on , looks to be some quartz , jasper , and a big chunk of hematite on top and down the back , Almost like a jasper conglomerate , notice the brecciated stone in the upper right , and some hematite , And a fuzzy pic of a couple jaspers , Lots more but I had rocks to cut . Thanks for looking .
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Post by coloradocliff on Jul 23, 2017 22:58:04 GMT -5
Danged if those aren't purdy rocks. Loving that healed, banded jasper. Any size to those? You aint out of rocks. But sure sound presidential when you lie. You may be getting down a little but a pile that big has to have 10 yards X's 3500 pounds per yards comes out......uhh.. Well its a lot. grin...Somebody more anal than me might say 17 1/2 tons. That's just the front porch area. Got any cut ones you care to show us? A smarter guy who has so much should make up a few flat rate boxes. But most of us know you are Rich. . just saying... The banded iron types around here don't tumble well. Seem to undercut and large pits appear.
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Post by wigglinrocks on Jul 23, 2017 23:22:25 GMT -5
Danged if those aren't purdy rocks. Loving that healed, banded jasper. Any size to those? You aint out of rocks. But sure sound presidential when you lie. You may be getting down a little but a pile that big has to have 10 yards X's 3500 pounds per yards comes out......uhh.. Well its a lot. grin...Somebody more anal than me might say 17 1/2 tons. That's just the front porch area. Got any cut ones you care to show us? A smarter guy who has so much should make up a few flat rate boxes. But most of us know you are Rich. . just saying... The banded iron types around here don't tumble well. Seem to undercut and large pits appear. Those smaller ones are only about 3 " or so , big one is maybe 7 long x 4 thick . Some of the banded type undercut if it is the spec hematite . Some have very solid iron bands that do real well in a tumbler . No jasp cuts to show yet , waiting on a new blade . No idea what you mean , can't you read ? Said we only brought home 3-4 gallons and tossed a half gallon of that .
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Post by coloradocliff on Jul 24, 2017 0:00:39 GMT -5
Danged if those aren't purdy rocks. Loving that healed, banded jasper. Any size to those? You aint out of rocks. But sure sound presidential when you lie. You may be getting down a little but a pile that big has to have 10 yards X's 3500 pounds per yards comes out......uhh.. Well its a lot. grin...Somebody more anal than me might say 17 1/2 tons. That's just the front porch area. Got any cut ones you care to show us? A smarter guy who has so much should make up a few flat rate boxes. But most of us know you are Rich. . just saying... The banded iron types around here don't tumble well. Seem to undercut and large pits appear. Those smaller ones are only about 3 " or so , big one is maybe 7 long x 4 thick . Some of the banded type undercut if it is the spec hematite . Some have very solid iron bands that do real well in a tumbler . No jasp cuts to show yet , waiting on a new blade . No idea what you mean , can't you read ? Said we only brought home 3-4 gallons and tossed a half gallon of that . Appreciate that info on the hematite. Must be what I have. Will find a piece and snap a picture. Pretty darn good size. Can do some cabbing with a 7 inch rock if a fellows got a mind to. Didn't mean you Rich, said you have to have a mind. Your mother would concur. grin.. You know I cant read .. glad you posted these tantalizing pictures. A guy loves other people's rocks in their area more than his. Really liking that jasper. Think I have one similar but again don't have a picture yet. Was unable to read the directions that came with the camera. Your mother knows about that too. I don't have a mother BYW/ Don't ask. grin. .Will get a couple pictures., Don't know the material that you are hoarding.. grin...,Update have a picture.
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Here's one of the rocks Rich, been vibed up to 1000 prepolish. So slick that it doesn't wet . Water just beads up. What would you consider this as? The other sample must be hiding in a rotary barrel somewhere . That's the one that undercuts so badly. Two different sources this one don't remember where I got it. The other collected at the 11,000 ft level at Lizard head pass. Will post when I get the chance. Thanks.
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Post by wigglinrocks on Jul 24, 2017 8:45:35 GMT -5
Those smaller ones are only about 3 " or so , big one is maybe 7 long x 4 thick . Some of the banded type undercut if it is the spec hematite . Some have very solid iron bands that do real well in a tumbler . No jasp cuts to show yet , waiting on a new blade . No idea what you mean , can't you read ? Said we only brought home 3-4 gallons and tossed a half gallon of that . Appreciate that info on the hematite. Must be what I have. Will find a piece and snap a picture. Pretty darn good size. Can do some cabbing with a 7 inch rock if a fellows got a mind to. Didn't mean you Rich, said you have to have a mind. Your mother would concur. grin.. You know I cant read .. glad you posted these tantalizing pictures. A guy loves other people's rocks in their area more than his. Really liking that jasper. Think I have one similar but again don't have a picture yet. Was unable to read the directions that came with the camera. Your mother knows about that too. I don't have a mother BYW/ Don't ask. grin. .Will get a couple pictures., Don't know the material that you are hoarding.. grin...,Update have a picture.
Here's one of the rocks Rich, been vibed up to 1000 prepolish. So slick that it doesn't wet . Water just beads up. What would you consider this as? The other sample must be hiding in a rotary barrel somewhere . That's the one that undercuts so badly. Two different sources this one don't remember where I got it. The other collected at the 11,000 ft level at Lizard head pass. Will post when I get the chance. Thanks.
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The rock you're holding looks to be the brecciated healed type . Not an expert on id . Sure is a pretty stone , show some pics after polish . I like that kind , with all the different shaped bright red blobs in there . Add the quartz seems , really sets it off .
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Post by coloradocliff on Jul 24, 2017 9:07:21 GMT -5
Agree on all, Jasper that looks much like your material. Brecciated jaspers are my favorite. Always like things that are cracked..looking at Rich, sometimes Dale.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jul 24, 2017 9:24:33 GMT -5
Last week I found a very similar jasper to the one in your last picture, Rich. Mine had a fracture through the whole rock and it was a little big for tumbling anyhow, so I chiseled it into two pieces that are in the tumbler now. You find some very cool rocks in that pit. Check out the top left rock.
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Post by wigglinrocks on Jul 24, 2017 9:43:00 GMT -5
Last week I found a very similar jasper to the one in your last picture, Rich. Mine had a fracture through the whole rock and it was a little big for tumbling anyhow, so I chiseled it into two pieces that are in the tumbler now. You find some very cool rocks in that pit. Check out the top left rock. Those are some cool rocks , did the jasper break on the quartz seem ? The bottom right , tan with the chain pattern , is that a kind of fossil ? I have found a few like that but not as nice as yours . We have access to a bunch of pits . Its strange how the rock variety changes from one pit to another , even within a mile apart . I prefer the river banks but they are grown up in weeds and grass now . Early spring is best for the river banks , no weeds and the changing water levels rearrange the rocks .
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Post by coloradocliff on Jul 24, 2017 9:58:20 GMT -5
Last week I found a very similar jasper to the one in your last picture, Rich. Mine had a fracture through the whole rock and it was a little big for tumbling anyhow, so I chiseled it into two pieces that are in the tumbler now. You find some very cool rocks in that pit. Check out the top left rock. Rob, Your top left looks like the rock that I have in a tumbler somewhere . Does this type tumble for you or undercut like mine does?
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Post by coloradocliff on Jul 24, 2017 10:00:32 GMT -5
Last week I found a very similar jasper to the one in your last picture, Rich. Mine had a fracture through the whole rock and it was a little big for tumbling anyhow, so I chiseled it into two pieces that are in the tumbler now. You find some very cool rocks in that pit. Check out the top left rock. Those are some cool rocks , did the jasper break on the quartz seem ? The bottom right , tan with the chain pattern , is that a kind of fossil ? I have found a few like that but not as nice as yours . We have access to a bunch of pits . Its strange how the rock variety changes from one pit to another , even within a mile apart . I prefer the river banks but they are grown up in weeds and grass now . Early spring is best for the river banks , no weeds and the changing water levels rearrange the rocks . Good insight on spring collecting conditions and insight on the different pits being different so close together.
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Post by wigglinrocks on Jul 24, 2017 10:35:47 GMT -5
Last week I found a very similar jasper to the one in your last picture, Rich. Mine had a fracture through the whole rock and it was a little big for tumbling anyhow, so I chiseled it into two pieces that are in the tumbler now. You find some very cool rocks in that pit. Check out the top left rock. Rob, Your top left looks like the rock that I have in a tumbler somewhere . Does this type tumble for you or undercut like mine does?
coloradocliff , I've found it to be a guessing game , to undercut or not . Some you think are going to be fine turn out to be the worst offenders . Then some ya have doubts surprise ya how well they do . I could be wrong , happens a lot , but I think it has to do with the silica content .
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Post by coloradocliff on Jul 24, 2017 10:52:17 GMT -5
Rob, Your top left looks like the rock that I have in a tumbler somewhere . Does this type tumble for you or undercut like mine does?
coloradocliff , I've found it to be a guessing game , to undercut or not . Some you think are going to be fine turn out to be the worst offenders . Then some ya have doubts surprise ya how well they do . I could be wrong , happens a lot , but I think it has to do with the silica content . Good to know. Been hunting some of that Aussie tiger iron but think now will wait for Tucson. Sure right on some of your prettier rock being rotten to the core.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jul 24, 2017 11:07:18 GMT -5
I haven't found many Jasper's like that around here. I find more in the U.P. The ones I find in Lake Superior tend to tumble well. The jasepelite I tumbled from inland didn't do as well.
This one did not break on the quartz vein, there was another fracture that it broke with one hit. That's good, because I think that vein looks cool.
The tan rock is a chain coral. I don't find them very often. I've found better ones than the one in the picture. You can soak those in water with a little muriatic acid and dissolve the matrix, but not the chain coral. I don't know the exact ratio to use, but I tried it once and it worked pretty well. Unfortunately, it was very fragile and I was holding it gently. I was carrying it to another room to show my wife and dropped it on the floor. It broke into such tiny pieces that I didn't even have anything I could save. No pictures, and I was the only one to see it breifly. I should take this one and try it again.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jul 24, 2017 11:12:28 GMT -5
Here's a link to a discussion about dissolving the matrix off of chain coral.
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Post by wigglinrocks on Jul 24, 2017 12:45:21 GMT -5
I haven't found many Jasper's like that around here. I find more in the U.P. The ones I find in Lake Superior tend to tumble well. The jasepelite I tumbled from inland didn't do as well. This one did not break on the quartz vein, there was another fracture that it broke with one hit. That's good, because I think that vein looks cool. The tan rock is a chain coral. I don't find them very often. I've found better ones than the one in the picture. You can soak those in water with a little muriatic acid and dissolve the matrix, but not the chain coral. I don't know the exact ratio to use, but I tried it once and it worked pretty well. Unfortunately, it was very fragile and I was holding it gently. I was carrying it to another room to show my wife and dropped it on the floor. It broke into such tiny pieces that I didn't even have anything I could save. No pictures, and I was the only one to see it breifly. I should take this one and try it again. Good it didn't break on the vein , really adds to look of the rock . The jaspelites I have the most trouble with are when the hematite has a sparkly appearance in the sunlight . Thanks for the Id on the chain coral , think I will leave them in the matrix .
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Post by coloradocliff on Jul 24, 2017 19:31:00 GMT -5
Last week I found a very similar jasper to the one in your last picture, Rich. Mine had a fracture through the whole rock and it was a little big for tumbling anyhow, so I chiseled it into two pieces that are in the tumbler now. You find some very cool rocks in that pit. Check out the top left rock. Yep have a banded iron one like your top left. Ina tumbler somewhere at the moment but undrcuts. Rich says sometime his do and other times it won't . That rock you have with the reddish band is killer cool., Best is that bottom right one that appears to be a healed unidentifite chain coral. Thanks for the id on it. Also today I found out why you kayak to hound lake fronts, Wade or stay off the private land that runs to edge of water. . Some of my favorite rocks are not lapidary quality but love them anyway like this shist and Morrisonite.
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Post by Fossilman on Jul 25, 2017 9:35:24 GMT -5
Nice red jasper's...............I hoard mine till I need to change the oil in my saw,than cut them... The rocks bleed red and it creates such a mess...LOL
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Post by coloradocliff on Jul 25, 2017 9:51:08 GMT -5
Here's a link to a discussion about dissolving the matrix off of chain coral. Helpful Am cleaning different specimens now days and am researching cleaning massive calcite crystals and not enough found yet to make me take a chance on damaging a really nice, at least to me, specimen. 15 pound tumble barrel for scale in first picture. Thanks Rob, You longtime and more exerienced members are so helpful. Cliff
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Post by wigglinrocks on Jul 25, 2017 9:53:43 GMT -5
Nice red jasper's...............I hoard mine till I need to change the oil in my saw,than cut them... The rocks bleed red and it creates such a mess...LOL I've been accused of hoarding mine . So far I am using water in a 10" saw so cleanup isn't such an issue . Waiting on a new blade , having a heck of a time cutting these reds with hematite .
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Post by Jugglerguy on Jul 25, 2017 10:55:01 GMT -5
Here's a link to a discussion about dissolving the matrix off of chain coral. Helpful Am cleaning different specimens now days and am researching cleaning massive calcite crystals and not enough found yet to make me take a chance on damaging a really nice, at least to me, specimen. 15 pound tumble barrel for scale in first picture. Thanks Rob, You longtime and more exerienced members are so helpful. Cliff
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I think that acid would be really bad for your calcite crystals. In the fossils, I believe it's the calcite that the acid is eating away, leaving the chain coral behind.
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