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Post by Jugglerguy on Nov 1, 2017 15:55:09 GMT -5
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Post by catmandewe on Nov 1, 2017 18:21:57 GMT -5
300-1000 on the frantom saw (looks like an 18") 200-600 on the HP 8"
Bid what you can afford. It really depends on if you have an opposing bidder or not.
Tony
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 1, 2017 18:56:17 GMT -5
The numbers really depend on how bad you need or want the stuff. If the saw is only a 14" I would say a cant pass up price is $400 and high price is $800. if it truly is an 18" then a cant pass up price is $600 and high price is $1200. The cabber I would not pass up for $300 but would probably pass it up at $600. I got my genie used and every wheel was basically new at $700. Good Luck Rob. Hopefully you will be posting pictures of bigger slabs soon.
Chuck
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Post by Jugglerguy on Nov 1, 2017 19:45:43 GMT -5
300-1000 on the frantom saw (looks like an 18") 200-600 on the HP 8" Bid what you can afford. It really depends on if you have an opposing bidder or not. Tony I measured the blade and it is 14”. It appears to go close to the bottom of the oil tank, although I can’t be completely sure how deeo the oil is.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 1, 2017 20:05:52 GMT -5
The switch may have been eliminated. Looks like the motor has a plug on it so when you plug it in it might turn it on. The feed system looks like it is a gearbox on the back of the saw. The only thing I really dont like is the motor mount and that could all be changed. Right now it looks like something sharp that I would certainly end up running into at the front of the saw. I would end up pitching the metal and frame and buliding a wood frame on wheels with the motor in the back.
Chuck
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 1, 2017 20:07:32 GMT -5
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 1, 2017 20:11:43 GMT -5
The two wheels on the left are soft rubber expanding wheels. They would be great for your Petoskey stones. All of the other wheels on there are toss away wheels but that would give you room for a nice super grinder setup for tumbles.
Chuck
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Post by Jugglerguy on Nov 1, 2017 20:17:31 GMT -5
The two wheels on the left are soft rubber expanding wheels. They would be great for your Petoskey stones. All of the other wheels on there are toss away wheels but that would give you room for a nice super grinder setup for tumbles. Chuck Chuck, do you know why such a huge machine only has four wheels? It's not just that there are only four wheels installed, but the plumbing is only set up for four. Why would you ditch the table? It looks really rugged. Is it because it prevents mounting the motor underneath?
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 1, 2017 20:20:13 GMT -5
I suppose you could just put something over the sharp angle iron in the front. I like my saws on wheels so I can tuck them away when I am not using them. I dont weld so adding wheels to that cart would not be possible for me.
Chuck
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 1, 2017 20:21:55 GMT -5
A 1/3 HP is on the low side for a 14. Mine has a heavy duty 1/2. Not sure that it should be a deal breaker though.
Chuck
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 1, 2017 20:25:07 GMT -5
A bunch of old machines that use that design had that big gap between the wheels. I bought and sold a Star Diamond machine like that. found this picture of a frantom online Chuck
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Post by captbob on Nov 1, 2017 21:42:52 GMT -5
Hey Rob, You've gotten pretty decent numbers on the machines, so I don't have much to add there. I would have maybe said $500 for the high end on the HP unit, but I reckon the stand it is on is worth something. I assume it has a working motor. The location - no shipping - is worth something as well. I have the exact same model HP machine. You wouldn't want a 3rd wheel on the wheel side. On the expanding drums, you can change the belts on the inside wheel without removing the outside wheel. It takes a bit of finesse, but it can be done. Here is mine before and after - I am missing the belt guard I'm gonna throw mine on craigslist someday as I never use it, I don't cab and have other machines that do what this one does, so it is a redundant piece of equipment - and it takes up way too much room. Not so sure I would try to make a super grinder out of it. They take off a lot of material and the drain for these in is the back between the wheels. I would think that the drain hole would get clogged fairly easily and keeping it open could be a hassle. Can you go look at these again before the auction? The outside expanding wheel looks okay in the pic, but if they are dry rotted (won't work) those 8" expanding wheels are expensive - like 80-90 bucks each. May give you the chance to see if a larger blade will fit on the saw as well. Good luck!
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Post by Jugglerguy on Nov 1, 2017 21:49:17 GMT -5
captbob, does the machine have to be run with expanding wheels, or could I install any type of wheel I want? I think today was the only day to look before the auction.
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Post by captbob on Nov 1, 2017 22:02:56 GMT -5
I don't see why you couldn't run whatever you want. May have to move water valves if some wheel doesn't line up right.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 2, 2017 0:01:18 GMT -5
The FranTom is definitely a 14. Anything bigger would have a stepped bottom tub. IMO a 14 inch saw is a great size, and FranTom is just about the best you'll find. Switch box was put on upside down, the grommet for the auto shut off wire is on the opposite side from the hole for the toggle, easy to set up. The motor is probably ok for awhile since it's a capacitor start, but 1/2 hp eventually would be better. If the auctioneer will do a reserve bid I'd tell them up to $500.00 personally in my area and consider it a deal
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Post by Peruano on Nov 2, 2017 3:46:42 GMT -5
Arbors are like horses. You have to buy wheels or hay even after your initial acquisition. In my opinion that is the perfect arbor once renewed with new wheels on right. Yes three will fit. Expandos offer maximal flexibility if you work on various kinds of stuff. Saw is also good unit with a little tlc.
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Post by roy on Nov 2, 2017 10:28:09 GMT -5
for all i wouldnt go more than 1000
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Nov 2, 2017 12:40:06 GMT -5
for all i wouldnt go more than 1000 Keep in mind this is the first 14" saw to hit craigslist in all of Michigan this entire year. Supply and demand come into play around these parts. I am guessing the auction price will be nice and low because they do not have the words lapidary or diamond saw anywhere in their listings. Anytime something does get listed around here with lapidary listed they get scooped up right away. $1,000 would probably be my high number too. Most of that going to the saw. Like $700 saw and $300 for the arbor. Chuck
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Post by QuailRiver on Nov 2, 2017 13:13:44 GMT -5
Great find! IMO Frantom's saws were among the best made. I currently have one bench model nearly identical to the one you picture (except mine has the earlier Frantom blue paint) that I bought out of a school surplus sale in Georgia a while back that is still sitting waiting on refurbishing. The stand, motor mount, and pulley belt guard on the one you have pictured were added on later and are not factory. This model was sold as a basic bench top cabinet model without a stand or belt guard.
The Highland Park machine you picture is similar to the E50 model I have. The tool rest for the grinding wheels comes in handy for preforming cabs. And it's a good tough machine. The only problem you might have with it is that those old SC wheels had metal sleeves lining the arbor hole. And after sitting this long they may have oxidized and locked onto the arbor as mine had prior to refurbishing. They were a real pain to get off. Soaked them with Kroll for days. And then only one would come off and the other I had to bust and break off the SC wheel from around it's metal sleeve and then cut the wheel sleeve and pry it off. Other than that possibility it should be a fairly easy project to bring back. And yes you can use different wheels and can get smaller spacers to add more wheels. Good luck bidding!
Larry C.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Nov 2, 2017 13:20:36 GMT -5
Thanks everyone. I really appreciate all the help. If I win these bids, I will probably be back with a lot more questions!
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