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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 8, 2017 12:37:01 GMT -5
I ordered a very small Ameritool trimsaw for use indoors. I also got 2 MK 303 blades with it. I didn't realize until I just got them that you should use oil. I will be using water for this saw. Is there something I can add to the water and will this really be a problem?
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Post by woodman on Dec 8, 2017 12:51:49 GMT -5
Why not use mineral oil? blade will cut better.
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Post by minerken on Dec 8, 2017 12:58:08 GMT -5
Hi Tela there are water soluble oil additives you can add you can get them from just about any hardware of auto parts store I actually use them in my larger saw exclusively. I like to use straight water in my trim saw but wind up buying the cheap blades they last a long time. I would think that the 303 would last also just not quite as long as with oil I'd just go for it.
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Post by Peruano on Dec 8, 2017 13:31:55 GMT -5
Indoors, small saw, your convenience, your saw blade, your floor to clean, you can use anything you want. Just drain and dry to prevent rust. Additives only do part of the job. Don't crowd your blade (water evaporates and oil stay put longer under heat conditions). and enjoy.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Dec 8, 2017 13:58:40 GMT -5
I have always used the 303C blades in my trim saws with water. No issues cutting but I am positive blade life is sacrificed. It is worth it to me for the convenience. The only additive I have used is a little bit of pink RV antifreeze to help lubricate and maybe stop some rusting. I really do like those blades though. That's all I have used for five years now.
Chuck
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 8, 2017 14:16:38 GMT -5
I use mineral oil on mine,that I buy at Walmart for a $1.99... It takes a half bottle per session... Clean up is a breeze!
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Dec 8, 2017 15:39:31 GMT -5
I usually trim, grind the outside shape and put them directly on the dop pot. No washing of hands or rocks involved. Plus my trim saw is in a finished basement so oil was never really an option. When I first started and took a class at the club they used oil and I really hated having oily hands and cabs to deal with. That being said I know I am paying a premium due to blades wearing out faster.
Chuck
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 8, 2017 15:43:50 GMT -5
I usually trim, grind the outside shape and put them directly on the dop pot. No washing of hands or rocks involved. Plus my trim saw is in a finished basement so oil was never really an option. When I first started and took a class at the club they used oil and I really hated having oily hands and cabs to deal with. That being said I know I am paying a premium due to blades wearing out faster. Chuck Thanks Chuck- This saw is exclusively for inside winter use, so oil is not an option for it. I appreciate your input. Susan has one and it has been a great -quieter, less messy- saw for her inside. I'll be cleaning it out each time. I ordered some rv coolant and will try that. |
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Post by woodman on Dec 8, 2017 15:48:27 GMT -5
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 8, 2017 15:55:20 GMT -5
Thank you! Good to know.  |
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Post by Peruano on Dec 8, 2017 16:57:11 GMT -5
I just noticed a few days ago that Barranca Diamond website has a list of recommended coolants and a list of no no liquids.
It lists Automotive Antifreeze Coolant as an under no circumstances substance and mentions that propylene glycol based antifreeze is nontoxic, but has practically no lubricating properties; it functions as a coolant only and its use will lead to rapid blade wear and dulling.
My note: propylene glycol is rv antifreeze. FYI and consideration. You might be better off with water + an additive.
I admit this is coming from their slab saw series info; page 13. so you may choose to conclude that it does not pertain to smaller saws.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 8, 2017 17:32:48 GMT -5
I just noticed a few days ago that Barranca Diamond website has a list of recommended coolants and a list of no no liquids. It lists Automotive Antifreeze Coolant as an under no circumstances substance and mentions that propylene glycol based antifreeze is nontoxic, but has practically no lubricating properties; it functions as a coolant only and its use will lead to rapid blade wear and dulling. My note: propylene glycol is rv antifreeze. FYI and consideration. You might be better off with water + an additive. I admit this is coming from their slab saw series info; page 13. so you may choose to conclude that it does not pertain to smaller saws. Hmmm - also good to know. I wonder how much it applies to 4 and 5 inch blades? What other kind of additive is used with water? I have a tile saw that I have only used water with. I do have a larger saw, but I have to get a motor for it and have never used it. |
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Post by pauls on Dec 8, 2017 18:21:31 GMT -5
Water isn't real good for saw blades but I know what you mean about the mess from oil.
When using water always dump the water out after use, especially if you are cutting some of the Pyrite included stones, The sulphur in Pyrite turns your water to sulphuric acid. Probably only weak acid but still damaging to a steel blade dangling in it between uses. How do I know? Don't ask.
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 8, 2017 18:43:31 GMT -5
Water isn't real good for saw blades but I know what you mean about the mess from oil. When using water always dump the water out after use, especially if you are cutting some of the Pyrite included stones, The sulphur in Pyrite turns your water to sulphuric acid. Probably only weak acid but still damaging to a steel blade dangling in it between uses. How do I know? Don't ask. Thanks- I plan to clean it out each time I use it. |
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Post by Peruano on Dec 8, 2017 18:44:47 GMT -5
I hear folks say good things about Smokey's additive, but in my experience it dries to a chalky powder on saw surfaces etc.
The Barranca Diamond site touts Roc cut a Diamond Pacific product dexribed as a new synthetic water soluble utting additive with rust inhibitors. Mix 30 to 1 (water to Roc Cut). Pay attention to someone you trust. I know some additives are garbage and some are thought to be better. But it is like baseball or politics, many strong opinions and few hard facts when you seek them.
I always drain (daily) the one saw that I run water with Smokey's xxx in and the residue evaporates before rust forms but I do spray it down with WD 40 as well.
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Post by rmf on Dec 8, 2017 20:44:39 GMT -5
some years ago I had a custy that wanted me to saw chryscolla in water so I purchased an additive to add to the water. It made a gum with the chryscolla cuttings that nearly ruined my saw feed. diamond saws were not designed to saw gum. I have no recollection of who's product it was but I decided never to use water again in the slab saw. I have used water in a trim saw and draining after use and drying the blade (unless it is made of stainless steel) is the best bet.
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Post by minerken on Dec 8, 2017 20:48:43 GMT -5
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 9, 2017 10:41:01 GMT -5
I use Gem Lube from Kingsley North. I do not clean out my saw each time I use it and this stuff seems to really cut down on rust. Anyone else use this? |
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Post by MrP on Dec 9, 2017 11:29:29 GMT -5
I use Gem Lube from Kingsley North. I do not clean out my saw each time I use it and this stuff seems to really cut down on rust. Anyone else use this? I have used Gem Lube but I use Lube Cool 4800 . Kingsley North use to sell it but the only place I found that sells in 5 Gal buckets is Johnson Brothers Lapidary. I know that some people have had troubles with them but I had no problem. In fact I will have to order soon again. With the Gem Lube I have had some green crystal stuff cover the aluminum parts in the saw. I have ended up with pits in the aluminum parts which I never had until I started using Gem Lube. The saw is a Lortone LS10 and I have been running water in it for 10 or 12 years. I have went through 5 Gal Gem Lube and 25 Gal Lube Cool 4800. I do not drain the saw so it has had a water mix in it all those years. I have no rust on the steel parts so both mixes keep the rust away but the Gem Lube did cause the paint to release in some spots. I don't really see where it affects the blade life all that much. I have always used this in the basement so don't want the oil mist in the house. Yes it will suffer a premature death because of using water with coolant so that is why I bought a spare a few years ago..............................MrP |
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 9, 2017 13:08:12 GMT -5
I use Gem Lube from Kingsley North. I do not clean out my saw each time I use it and this stuff seems to really cut down on rust. Anyone else use this? I have used Gem Lube but I use Lube Cool 4800 . Kingsley North use to sell it but the only place I found that sells in 5 Gal buckets is Johnson Brothers Lapidary. I know that some people have had troubles with them but I had no problem. In fact I will have to order soon again. With the Gem Lube I have had some green crystal stuff cover the aluminum parts in the saw. I have ended up with pits in the aluminum parts which I never had until I started using Gem Lube. The saw is a Lortone LS10 and I have been running water in it for 10 or 12 years. I have went through 5 Gal Gem Lube and 25 Gal Lube Cool 4800. I do not drain the saw so it has had a water mix in it all those years. I have no rust on the steel parts so both mixes keep the rust away but the Gem Lube did cause the paint to release in some spots. I don't really see where it affects the blade life all that much. I have always used this in the basement so don't want the oil mist in the house. Yes it will suffer a premature death because of using water with coolant so that is why I bought a spare a few years ago..............................MrP Now that you mention it, I get those crystals growing in my saw too. Maybe I should switch to a different product, |
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