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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 14:25:20 GMT -5
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Post by captbob on Jan 13, 2018 14:35:37 GMT -5
Very cool article!
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 13, 2018 15:07:46 GMT -5
That's flippin' awesome!!!!!
I was just reading about some orangutans who make and apply their own salves to treat auto immune responses.
Some species are quite surprising. Makes me sad to think of them being killed. Imagine what else they do that we don't know about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 17:18:18 GMT -5
That's flippin' awesome!!!!! I was just reading about some orangutans who make and apply their own salves to treat auto immune responses. Some species are quite surprising. Makes me sad to think of them being killed. Imagine what else they do that we don't know about. You mentioned self diagnosis and treatment of human like conditions. I started to comment about how closely related we are to Orangs. But I'm sure you knew that, and then it hit me. I wonder if our close relatives Orangs, Gorillas, Chimps and Bonobos have conditions like Down's Syndrome or similar livable but debilitating genetic disorders. Hmmmmmmm....... ETA And the answer is yes
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Post by spiceman on Jan 13, 2018 19:41:02 GMT -5
Are you asking, Do we have.. Or Did we have... Where is it? The list goes on
The first thing is to define "intelligence".
Are you limited to a state? Or a big White House? (Washington DC) We could be in trouble. You get my drift.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 13, 2018 20:04:43 GMT -5
I always considered humans to be the dumbest animals on Earth. No other animal destroys its only habitat.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 13, 2018 20:48:53 GMT -5
I always considered humans to be the dumbest animals on Earth. No other animal destroys its only habitat. You can start by researching the moose on Isle Royal and how they are over populating and over grazing the habitat to starvation. It is common and cyclical. Over populate and starvation or disease brought on by poor nutrition. The habitat rebounds during low population density. Predators follow the cycle. Overpopulate, crash, repeat.
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Post by melhill1659 on Jan 13, 2018 21:03:25 GMT -5
It’s cause Kelly is from Mississippi
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 13, 2018 21:25:40 GMT -5
I always considered humans to be the dumbest animals on Earth. No other animal destroys its only habitat. You can start by researching the moose on Isle Royal and how they are over populating and over grazing the habitat to starvation. It is common and cyclical. Over populate and starvation or disease brought on by poor nutrition. The habitat rebounds during low population density. Predators follow the cycle. Overpopulate, crash, repeat. That is misleading towards my original statement for a couple of reasons. First of all this is not permanent damage. As you pointed out it is cyclical in this case, not permanent destruction of habitat. This has been going on for a long time. Secondly, blaming over population and over grazing is somewhat ridiculous. That is like what they are trying to claim for the wild horses here. The BLM claims not enough water or food while they are fencing off water holes to prevent the horses from reaching available water and there is plenty of vegetation for the cattle sharing the same land and food. The difference is that the BLM makes money off of selling grazing rights, but not from the wild horses. And as we continue to destroy the grazing land for wild animals and eliminating their natural predators man again becomes the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2018 21:56:33 GMT -5
I always considered humans to be the dumbest animals on Earth. No other animal destroys its only habitat. You can start by researching the moose on Isle Royal and how they are over populating and over grazing the habitat to starvation. It is common and cyclical. Over populate and starvation or disease brought on by poor nutrition. The habitat rebounds during low population density. Predators follow the cycle. Overpopulate, crash, repeat. Wolves??
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Post by youp50 on Jan 13, 2018 22:14:29 GMT -5
Wolf population crashed. The "Hands off policy" is being challenged by the biologists that promoted it. Import wolves, hands on. Reality, no wolves, no need for my position. Must have wolves.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 13, 2018 22:19:20 GMT -5
With the exception of nuclear waste, there is little damage that man is doing to earth that is not cyclical nor repairable by nature. Might need to realize the cycle is measured in eons.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 14, 2018 4:16:11 GMT -5
With the exception of nuclear waste, there is little damage that man is doing to earth that is not cyclical nor repairable by nature. Might need to realize the cycle is measured in eons. All the species of animals mankind has decimated to the point of extinction is cyclical and repairable? I would love to hear an explanation for that one.
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 14, 2018 4:21:48 GMT -5
Cool video showing how man's intervention changed things for the worse then for the best when things returned back the way they should have been all along.
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Post by HankRocks on Jan 14, 2018 8:57:48 GMT -5
I think Nature is a much more prolific destroyer of species than man, see Chicxulub event.
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Post by 1dave on Jan 14, 2018 9:09:58 GMT -5
I think Nature is a much more prolific destroyer of species than man, see Chicxulub event. Many events when 50-98% of all life was destroyed, but each time life came back stronger and better than before. We have stupid humans that want to kill off all humans so planet can survive. Survive to what? The next cataclysm?
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 14, 2018 18:37:27 GMT -5
I think Nature is a much more prolific destroyer of species than man, see Chicxulub event. I am familiar with the Chicxulub event. Problem is that it was found that the extinction of the dinosaurs turned out to be 10,000 years apart.
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Post by HankRocks on Jan 14, 2018 19:55:40 GMT -5
Ok the exact time frame to accomplish the extinction is very much up for debate as geologic evidence is still being weighted, decades or thousands of years. Some have argued that the eco-system that supported Dinosaurs was already under stress, climate change due to volcanism in India, whatever. 75% of all land species and 30 percent of marine species were gone.
If we were to have a 6 mile asteroid impact earth now we and all of the other species would be in deep trouble. Or a Yellowstone super-volcano, big trouble. I am by no means arguing that humans have not done stupid things, if humans can treat each other so badly at times, then nature will definitely be on the receiving end. It would seem that most damage done by humans to nature can be very short-term and with the exception of a few un-fortunate extinctions be almost un-noticeable in short order in the geologic time scale. I have seen reclaimed quartz mines in Arkansas 5 years later and except for the lack of older trees one would be hard-pressed to know that the ground had been dug up. Even where there is no reclamation, nature will take it all back just take a little longer.
Anyway, I really just want to drink a few beers now and then, collect some rocks here and there, cut an polish a few and enjoy my senior years.
Take care
Henry
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 19:58:42 GMT -5
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Post by vegasjames on Jan 14, 2018 20:01:43 GMT -5
Ok the exact time frame to accomplish the extinction is very much up for debate as geologic evidence is still being weighted, decades or thousands of years. Some have argued that the eco-system that supported Dinosaurs was already under stress, climate change due to volcanism in India, whatever. 75% of all land species and 30 percent of marine species were gone. If we were to have a 6 mile asteroid impact earth now we and all of the other species would be in deep trouble. Or a Yellowstone super-volcano, big trouble. I am by no means arguing that humans have not done stupid things, if humans can treat each other so badly at times, then nature will definitely be on the receiving end. It would seem that most damage done by humans to nature can be very short-term and with the exception of a few un-fortunate extinctions be almost un-noticeable in short order in the geologic time scale. I have seen reclaimed quartz mines in Arkansas 5 years later and except for the lack of older trees one would be hard-pressed to know that the ground had been dug up. Even where there is no reclamation, nature will take it all back just take a little longer. Anyway, I really just want to drink a few beers now and then, collect some rocks here and there, cut an polish a few and enjoy my senior years. Take care Henry I never bought in to the asteroid killed the dinosaurs hypothesis anyway for a simple reason. If the light was really blocked out as claimed leading to the deaths then virtually all life would have gone extinct. And if this is the case then why are still animals such sharks, crocodiles the coelacanth, cockroaches and others from prehistoric times still around? Some of the few life forms that could remain would be microbes. Predators would have lost their food chain.
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