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Post by Bluesky78987 on Jan 26, 2018 13:50:36 GMT -5
Or I just drop the slab and cab the shapes it breaks in to. This. I do the drop test on most slabs before I start, and then things *almost* never break on me in cabbing.
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Post by socalagatehound on Jan 26, 2018 14:02:09 GMT -5
Not often I have gotten a cab that keeps its shape without some piece breaking off and I have to reshape. Or I just drop the slab and cab the shapes it breaks in to. Jeff was telling me that it's from an outcrop within sight of the outcrop that produces Dead Camel, but I think Dead Camel is far less brittle. All of these claimed materials, and new materials coming out of the Dead Camel Mountains are coming from the same basic location that Eva and I were hunting five years ago for what I was calling Lahontanite Jasper (and more recently Dragon Jasper). We found the way in by following an old 1960's rockhounding map given to my brother by the estate of an old timer who passed. People here on the board urged me to place claims but I didn't have the time or energy, (nor do I believe in the morality, validity, or ethics of claiming but that's a different story) and now what we have is a giant mess of greed and fighting led by the rarerocksandgems dot com guy Philip Stephenson. Phil writes on his website about how he found out about these hunting grounds when he stopped by and talked to the the old man at the closed rock shop, and saw a pile of the original Lahontan jasper the man has for sale. The old guy at the rock shop pointed him to the spot - and the result was Phil reviving the old Lahontanite claim and placing two new claims - Dead Camel and Red Falcon. Since that point many other's caught wind and new materials are coming out fast and furious - Mescalaro, Fire Ledge, Desert Fire, etc. According to my source, there is a lot of infighting and bitching and moaning occurring as Phil is apparently accusing others of jumping his claims. The reality is that Jeff's Mescalero (I can't vouch for the others) is coming from just outside of his claim zone - and the bigger reality is the entire mile-long ridge is practically made of rhyolite and it would be impossible to tell which named material is coming from which location. MOST of the material that I've collected on and around the ridge before all this started is really hit or miss on fracturing on the dendritic lines. I never had the equipment obviously to dig into the ground and locate the more stable material that now carries the Dead Camel Jasper name. As far as I can tell nobody has discovered my favorite outcrop that produces a small amount of Noreena look-alike if you are patient and weed through all the crappy float around the area. Yes, I've heard some of the complaints. I'm sure there is enough for everyone to make their money if they don't get greedy. I would like to see some of the other varieties. I think they are all amazing. Your favorite might be better than Noreena- potentially much more variety in it. After this year's Texas trip is under my belt, I'd like to head north a couple of times. It's been a while since I got to the Northwest. Always a pleasure to absorb some of your knowledge.
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Jan 26, 2018 14:07:26 GMT -5
Jeff was telling me that it's from an outcrop within sight of the outcrop that produces Dead Camel, but I think Dead Camel is far less brittle. All of these claimed materials, and new materials coming out of the Dead Camel Mountains are coming from the same basic location that Eva and I were hunting five years ago for what I was calling Lahontanite Jasper (and more recently Dragon Jasper). We found the way in by following an old 1960's rockhounding map given to my brother by the estate of an old timer who passed. People here on the board urged me to place claims but I didn't have the time or energy, (nor do I believe in the morality, validity, or ethics of claiming but that's a different story) and now what we have is a giant mess of greed and fighting led by the rarerocksandgems dot com guy Philip Stephenson. Phil writes on his website about how he found out about these hunting grounds when he stopped by and talked to the the old man at the closed rock shop, and saw a pile of the original Lahontan jasper the man has for sale. The old guy at the rock shop pointed him to the spot - and the result was Phil reviving the old Lahontanite claim and placing two new claims - Dead Camel and Red Falcon. Since that point many other's caught wind and new materials are coming out fast and furious - Mescalaro, Fire Ledge, Desert Fire, etc. According to my source, there is a lot of infighting and bitching and moaning occurring as Phil is apparently accusing others of jumping his claims. The reality is that Jeff's Mescalero (I can't vouch for the others) is coming from just outside of his claim zone - and the bigger reality is the entire mile-long ridge is practically made of rhyolite and it would be impossible to tell which named material is coming from which location. MOST of the material that I've collected on and around the ridge before all this started is really hit or miss on fracturing on the dendritic lines. I never had the equipment obviously to dig into the ground and locate the more stable material that now carries the Dead Camel Jasper name. As far as I can tell nobody has discovered my favorite outcrop that produces a small amount of Noreena look-alike if you are patient and weed through all the crappy float around the area. Tommy your outcrop is beautiful! Actually, I think the Mescalero is from Mexico, but I'm not 100% sure of that. It's Jeff's "Dead Ringer" that is from veeeery close to Philip's "Dead Camel" claim, and Walt (one of the guys running Phil's booth DID use the word "jump" during our convo about it. They get all bent out of shape, like they "discovered" or "own" this rock, which old timers have been pulling out of the ground forever. He's probably sore that Jeff thought up a more clever name for his rock. Phil should have claimed the whole ridge if he wanted to be the only one selling it. (Can you claim a whole ridge?) If you want a few minutes of entertainment, set them talking about each other while you rummage around in their bins . . . I find the dead camel slightly prettier than most of the dead ringer - Jeff's dead ringer doesn't have as much blue in it (or I haven't been able to snag any with much good blue anyway, so this year was the first year I got some, and I only got the "white with red ribbons" variety). I haven't purchased or cabbed any Dead Camel - until recently I was boycotting Phil due to some really nasty remarks he made on the board awhile back about amateur rockhounds. I gave him another chance this year though and he was really nice to me after he saw I was a serious cabber and was going to make doublets with his plume. Another weird little thing I finally figured out this year . . . Phil's operation is called Rare Rocks and Gems. He has the anti-sniper sale and sells off his website. He only sells at Pow Wow, not DG. But there's another guy named Ray (Roy? Rob?), who sells at DG usually but was at Tyson Wells this year, whose operation is called Rare Rock Shop. He has a lot of snowyville variscite. He sometimes sells on ebay, high end material. Until this year, I thought they were the same operation! Phil didn't even know about Ray, even though he was only about 8 booths away from him at Pow Wow and has basically the same shop name.
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Post by socalagatehound on Jan 26, 2018 14:51:20 GMT -5
Just to clarify...
Jeff's ebay store lists Mescalero as out of Nevada. I looked because I thought maybe my memory of what he told me some time ago was flawed....age deterioration...LOL!
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Post by Tommy on Jan 26, 2018 15:13:36 GMT -5
Just to clarify... Jeff's ebay store lists Mescalero as out of Nevada. I looked because I thought maybe my memory of what he told me some time ago was flawed....age deterioration...LOL! Haha I had to do the same thing - I was certain he and I were talking about Mescalero. I didn't see his Dead Ringer but I'm guessing it looked like another material being sold with a dead animal name
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Post by socalagatehound on Jan 26, 2018 15:58:04 GMT -5
Haha! Dead Ringer is a dead ringer for Red Falcon, which is Dead Camel without most of the blue. Jeff's mining partner Walt (?) told me it's from the same outcrop, just lower down. Has some great scenes in it. The Red Falcon also carries some of that pink color from your secret site, which I haven't seen in the Dead Ringer.
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Post by rockjunquie on Jan 26, 2018 16:12:50 GMT -5
Not often I have gotten a cab that keeps its shape without some piece breaking off and I have to reshape. Or I just drop the slab and cab the shapes it breaks in to. Jeff was telling me that it's from an outcrop within sight of the outcrop that produces Dead Camel, but I think Dead Camel is far less brittle. All of these claimed materials, and new materials coming out of the Dead Camel Mountains are coming from the same basic location that Eva and I were hunting five years ago for what I was calling Lahontanite Jasper (and more recently Dragon Jasper). We found the way in by following an old 1960's rockhounding map given to my brother by the estate of an old timer who passed. People here on the board urged me to place claims but I didn't have the time or energy, (nor do I believe in the morality, validity, or ethics of claiming but that's a different story) and now what we have is a giant mess of greed and fighting led by the rarerocksandgems dot com guy Philip Stephenson. Phil writes on his website about how he found out about these hunting grounds when he stopped by and talked to the the old man at the closed rock shop, and saw a pile of the original Lahontan jasper the man has for sale. The old guy at the rock shop pointed him to the spot - and the result was Phil reviving the old Lahontanite claim and placing two new claims - Dead Camel and Red Falcon. Since that point many other's caught wind and new materials are coming out fast and furious - Mescalaro, Fire Ledge, Desert Fire, etc. According to my source, there is a lot of infighting and bitching and moaning occurring as Phil is apparently accusing others of jumping his claims. The reality is that Jeff's Mescalero (I can't vouch for the others) is coming from just outside of his claim zone - and the bigger reality is the entire mile-long ridge is practically made of rhyolite and it would be impossible to tell which named material is coming from which location. MOST of the material that I've collected on and around the ridge before all this started is really hit or miss on fracturing on the dendritic lines. I never had the equipment obviously to dig into the ground and locate the more stable material that now carries the Dead Camel Jasper name. As far as I can tell nobody has discovered my favorite outcrop that produces a small amount of Noreena look-alike if you are patient and weed through all the crappy float around the area. Just saw this pop up. www.ebay.com/itm/TCR-DEAD-CAMEL-JASPER-LAPIDARY-HIGHLY-POLISHED-EXTRAORDINARY-SLAB-588-GRAMS/391969832051250.00 slab!
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Post by parfive on Jan 26, 2018 16:52:41 GMT -5
Used to buy stuff from Phil back when he was Tiger Oak Antiques. Only disappointed once in maybe 18 buys, so the freebies along the way eased the pain. : )
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Post by Mark K on Jan 26, 2018 17:51:21 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Jan 26, 2018 18:03:09 GMT -5
Jeff was telling me that it's from an outcrop within sight of the outcrop that produces Dead Camel, but I think Dead Camel is far less brittle. All of these claimed materials, and new materials coming out of the Dead Camel Mountains are coming from the same basic location that Eva and I were hunting five years ago for what I was calling Lahontanite Jasper (and more recently Dragon Jasper). We found the way in by following an old 1960's rockhounding map given to my brother by the estate of an old timer who passed. People here on the board urged me to place claims but I didn't have the time or energy, (nor do I believe in the morality, validity, or ethics of claiming but that's a different story) and now what we have is a giant mess of greed and fighting led by the rarerocksandgems dot com guy Philip Stephenson. Phil writes on his website about how he found out about these hunting grounds when he stopped by and talked to the the old man at the closed rock shop, and saw a pile of the original Lahontan jasper the man has for sale. The old guy at the rock shop pointed him to the spot - and the result was Phil reviving the old Lahontanite claim and placing two new claims - Dead Camel and Red Falcon. Since that point many other's caught wind and new materials are coming out fast and furious - Mescalaro, Fire Ledge, Desert Fire, etc. According to my source, there is a lot of infighting and bitching and moaning occurring as Phil is apparently accusing others of jumping his claims. The reality is that Jeff's Mescalero (I can't vouch for the others) is coming from just outside of his claim zone - and the bigger reality is the entire mile-long ridge is practically made of rhyolite and it would be impossible to tell which named material is coming from which location. MOST of the material that I've collected on and around the ridge before all this started is really hit or miss on fracturing on the dendritic lines. I never had the equipment obviously to dig into the ground and locate the more stable material that now carries the Dead Camel Jasper name. As far as I can tell nobody has discovered my favorite outcrop that produces a small amount of Noreena look-alike if you are patient and weed through all the crappy float around the area. Tommy your outcrop is beautiful! Actually, I think the Mescalero is from Mexico, but I'm not 100% sure of that. It's Jeff's "Dead Ringer" that is from veeeery close to Philip's "Dead Camel" claim, and Walt (one of the guys running Phil's booth DID use the word "jump" during our convo about it. They get all bent out of shape, like they "discovered" or "own" this rock, which old timers have been pulling out of the ground forever. He's probably sore that Jeff thought up a more clever name for his rock. Phil should have claimed the whole ridge if he wanted to be the only one selling it. (Can you claim a whole ridge?) If you want a few minutes of entertainment, set them talking about each other while you rummage around in their bins . . . I find the dead camel slightly prettier than most of the dead ringer - Jeff's dead ringer doesn't have as much blue in it (or I haven't been able to snag any with much good blue anyway, so this year was the first year I got some, and I only got the "white with red ribbons" variety). I haven't purchased or cabbed any Dead Camel - until recently I was boycotting Phil due to some really nasty remarks he made on the board awhile back about amateur rockhounds. I gave him another chance this year though and he was really nice to me after he saw I was a serious cabber and was going to make doublets with his plume. Another weird little thing I finally figured out this year . . . Phil's operation is called Rare Rocks and Gems. He has the anti-sniper sale and sells off his website. He only sells at Pow Wow, not DG. But there's another guy named Ray (Roy? Rob?), who sells at DG usually but was at Tyson Wells this year, whose operation is called Rare Rock Shop. He has a lot of snowyville variscite. He sometimes sells on ebay, high end material. Until this year, I thought they were the same operation! Phil didn't even know about Ray, even though he was only about 8 booths away from him at Pow Wow and has basically the same shop name. I've met the Rare Rock Shop guy, he Just moved into my backyard and opened up shop in LaVirkin, utah a small town on your way to Zion national park. He has tons of snowville and dino bone and even some gem silica. pricey though.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Jan 26, 2018 18:06:45 GMT -5
Uh, Mark, isn't that where you got the flattire-ite? LOL.
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Post by Bluesky78987 on Jan 26, 2018 19:18:47 GMT -5
Don, you live in LaVerkin? I love Zion, spent a lot of long weekends there! I'm so jealous!
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Post by socalagatehound on Jan 26, 2018 22:43:40 GMT -5
Okay, here are the last of my Pow Wow finds. It's a lot of fun sharing them. First, a couple of inexpensive and somewhat fractured slabs with a couple of cabs each: An unknown agate with cool starburst patterns on each side. Crazy Lace from Christopher. He always has one or two of these with cool cabs in them. And some small roughs with lots of possibilities Crazy Lace Botswana with color and some little pseudomorphs Swazi agates. I went for the darker colors because I have never cabbed this material and wanted the color to stay strong in thin slices. Not sure if that's the right approach... And some Beacon Hill. A couple show color but a gamble on the others And one slab I forgot...Another Burro Creek.. That's it! I might have to book a full extra day next year. Thanks for looking... Craig
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Post by Mark K on Jan 26, 2018 23:02:30 GMT -5
Uh, Mark, isn't that where you got the flattire-ite? LOL. yep
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Post by Win on Jan 27, 2018 10:01:57 GMT -5
I've met the Rare Rock Shop guy, he Just moved into my backyard and opened up shop in LaVirkin, utah a small town on your way to Zion national park. He has tons of snowville and dino bone and even some gem silica. pricey though. The shop is about two miles from me, I bought some nice Pet Wood from Paul and he's been helpful. He was doing some Dino cabs last time I was there, showed me what to look for, beautiful.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jan 27, 2018 12:12:09 GMT -5
I think that I met Paul at the Sisters OR show. Anybody get his card or contact info?
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Post by zarguy on Jan 28, 2018 1:04:27 GMT -5
OK, I had some time & took pix of my finds near Brenda, AZ. My best finds My best piece, found in the first 5 minutes! Colorful common opal Thanks for looking Lynn
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Post by fernwood on Jan 28, 2018 10:30:09 GMT -5
Amazing finds for sure at Brenda. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Tommy on Jan 28, 2018 11:48:12 GMT -5
That's a nice haul zarguy! Thanks for the pictures
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Post by roy on Jan 28, 2018 12:22:57 GMT -5
Jeff was telling me that it's from an outcrop within sight of the outcrop that produces Dead Camel, but I think Dead Camel is far less brittle. All of these claimed materials, and new materials coming out of the Dead Camel Mountains are coming from the same basic location that Eva and I were hunting five years ago for what I was calling Lahontanite Jasper (and more recently Dragon Jasper). We found the way in by following an old 1960's rockhounding map given to my brother by the estate of an old timer who passed. People here on the board urged me to place claims but I didn't have the time or energy, (nor do I believe in the morality, validity, or ethics of claiming but that's a different story) and now what we have is a giant mess of greed and fighting led by the rarerocksandgems dot com guy Philip Stephenson. Phil writes on his website about how he found out about these hunting grounds when he stopped by and talked to the the old man at the closed rock shop, and saw a pile of the original Lahontan jasper the man has for sale. The old guy at the rock shop pointed him to the spot - and the result was Phil reviving the old Lahontanite claim and placing two new claims - Dead Camel and Red Falcon. Since that point many other's caught wind and new materials are coming out fast and furious - Mescalaro, Fire Ledge, Desert Fire, etc. According to my source, there is a lot of infighting and bitching and moaning occurring as Phil is apparently accusing others of jumping his claims. The reality is that Jeff's Mescalero (I can't vouch for the others) is coming from just outside of his claim zone - and the bigger reality is the entire mile-long ridge is practically made of rhyolite and it would be impossible to tell which named material is coming from which location. MOST of the material that I've collected on and around the ridge before all this started is really hit or miss on fracturing on the dendritic lines. I never had the equipment obviously to dig into the ground and locate the more stable material that now carries the Dead Camel Jasper name. As far as I can tell nobody has discovered my favorite outcrop that produces a small amount of Noreena look-alike if you are patient and weed through all the crappy float around the area. Tommy your outcrop is beautiful! Actually, I think the Mescalero is from Mexico, but I'm not 100% sure of that. It's Jeff's "Dead Ringer" that is from veeeery close to Philip's "Dead Camel" claim, and Walt (one of the guys running Phil's booth DID use the word "jump" during our convo about it. They get all bent out of shape, like they "discovered" or "own" this rock, which old timers have been pulling out of the ground forever. He's probably sore that Jeff thought up a more clever name for his rock. Phil should have claimed the whole ridge if he wanted to be the only one selling it. (Can you claim a whole ridge?) If you want a few minutes of entertainment, set them talking about each other while you rummage around in their bins . . . I find the dead camel slightly prettier than most of the dead ringer - Jeff's dead ringer doesn't have as much blue in it (or I haven't been able to snag any with much good blue anyway, so this year was the first year I got some, and I only got the "white with red ribbons" variety). I haven't purchased or cabbed any Dead Camel - until recently I was boycotting Phil due to some really nasty remarks he made on the board awhile back about amateur rockhounds. I gave him another chance this year though and he was really nice to me after he saw I was a serious cabber and was going to make doublets with his plume. Another weird little thing I finally figured out this year . . . Phil's operation is called Rare Rocks and Gems. He has the anti-sniper sale and sells off his website. He only sells at Pow Wow, not DG. But there's another guy named Ray (Roy? Rob?), who sells at DG usually but was at Tyson Wells this year, whose operation is called Rare Rock Shop. He has a lot of snowyville variscite. He sometimes sells on ebay, high end material. Until this year, I thought they were the same operation! Phil didn't even know about Ray, even though he was only about 8 booths away from him at Pow Wow and has basically the same shop name. mascalero is from nevada and is well away from the dead camel spot ! the dead ringer is a far better material than that of the full of cracks stuff phillip sells !
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