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Post by fernwood on Feb 15, 2018 11:11:46 GMT -5
Here is what happens when one combines massive doses of pain/muscle relaxant meds with wire wrapping, lol. I am going to try this again, as I think the concept will work. Just waiting until I am off the meds.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 15, 2018 11:23:22 GMT -5
Mine look like that without the meds ; (
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Post by fernwood on Feb 15, 2018 11:49:19 GMT -5
Mine look like that without the meds ; ( LOL! I have seen some that you posted, and they are much better. Being laid up and going stir crazy, had to try something creative. Now just sketching designs to scale and photographing with stone options sitting on the sketches. Even that is a challenge.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 15, 2018 11:52:57 GMT -5
You are too kind-I am creativity lacking.
I am so sorry you are going through this, being stuck inside and in pain SUCKS!!
I really hope you start to feel better.
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Post by lookatthat on Feb 15, 2018 12:10:09 GMT -5
It's going to be great, when your non-medicated self gets to work on it!
Reminds me of when I try to do a project (not wrapping, wrapping is beyond my manual dexterity at any time) when I'm really really tired. The next morning I'm like, ??what?? is this supposed to be???
Hope you feel better soon!
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Post by fantastic5 on Feb 15, 2018 13:23:03 GMT -5
I hope you get to feeling better soon fernwood! I think the concept is sound and the color match is great. I've gotten tipsy when doing beading before and when you look at it the next morning, your like WTH?
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Post by fernwood on Feb 15, 2018 13:43:51 GMT -5
I was violently attacked by a resident at one of the residential homes I was managing. Several others present were also attacked at the same time. Have been off work ever since and not welcome back. Any permanent damage for me is yet to be determined. So, it will be a long recovery time for doing anything requiring any strength or much vision.
I am hoping I can back to this wrap idea as it should be great.
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Post by rockjunquie on Feb 15, 2018 13:58:42 GMT -5
I sure hope you feel well soon! Take your time. Don't rush it. I think most people get impatient and get right back at it much too soon. I love the wrap! Of course, you know I'm gonna ask abt a patina. I've had to work on x strength percocet before. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it don't.
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Post by fernwood on Feb 15, 2018 14:17:30 GMT -5
Patina was the next step. A vinegar wash I have used in the past.
Thanks everyone for the well wishes.
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Post by lookatthat on Feb 15, 2018 15:06:18 GMT -5
Oh no, that's tough about the attack. And can't always be avoided in such a position.
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Post by fantastic5 on Feb 15, 2018 16:45:26 GMT -5
I was violently attacked by a resident at one of the residential homes I was managing. Several others present were also attacked at the same time. Have been off work ever since and not welcome back. Any permanent damage for me is yet to be determined. So, it will be a long recovery time for doing anything requiring any strength or much vision. I am hoping I can back to this wrap idea as it should be great. Oh, fernwood, I am so sorry to hear about the attack. I can't imagine what that must have been like. I've managed a health care clinic in the past and a big portion of our clients were adults from residential homes. Most were sweet, but a few were big toddlers and when they threw a temper tantrum it was very scary. Please take care of yourself both physically and mentally.
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Post by wampidytoo on Feb 16, 2018 14:02:36 GMT -5
Sorry to hear about your injuries. Hope you mend quick.
My grandfather was a mean old man that thought he should beat religion into the nurses with his cane.
Too bad you are not closer. I have hydrocodone and tequila. I seldom mix them but once in a while it is a requirement. But like valentines day for me, I drink alone. I am the only drunk I can stand to be around. Jim
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Post by Fossilman on Feb 16, 2018 14:30:42 GMT -5
I was violently attacked by a resident at one of the residential homes I was managing. Several others present were also attacked at the same time. Have been off work ever since and not welcome back. Any permanent damage for me is yet to be determined. So, it will be a long recovery time for doing anything requiring any strength or much vision. I am hoping I can back to this wrap idea as it should be great. I sure as hell wouldn't go back!! My wife does this type of work too and the injuries from helping these people out...I don't like it, but she loves her job...Different ways of thinking I guess... Heal up and mend... LOL PS: I like the wrap by the way... Its different, I like different!
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Post by fernwood on Feb 16, 2018 14:59:27 GMT -5
Hey, thanks @wampidytoo and fossilmanMy late fiance was prescribed hydrocodone and all the other codones for pain, preferred Clinerol, which was natural and non addicting. Had been there, done that in the past, being addicted to pain killers. He was a Korean War Veteran, 38th Parallel and was involved with the prisoner exchange, AKA, body remnants, naked children, etc. I will redo the wrap eventually. Plan was to have the face and back wraps separated by flat wire which connected the two portions of circular wire. Each of the twisted areas would be either on the front or the back of the wrap. Kind of like an enclosure for the stone. I too, like different. I let the stones speak to me and tell me what they want me to do with them. I do need to thank @manoglass who cut this malachite for me.
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Post by vegasjames on Feb 16, 2018 17:18:01 GMT -5
When you are ready to come off the pain meds let me know. I can tell you a simple trick to reduce withdrawal.
And magnesium malate is a safer muscle relaxant. Magnesium relaxes muscles by acting like a calcium channel blocker being a calcium antagonist.
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Post by fernwood on Feb 16, 2018 17:41:13 GMT -5
vegasjamesI hate any meds. Was already using Naproxin for many years, as needed. I mostly rely on herbal or home made meds. Currently taking magnesium, sort of. Natural form of magnesium that friends and I make. Combo of lots of thing that are magnesium rich, including local rocks, lol. I am not familiar with magnesium malate. Would it work for someone who is taking 1000 mg of calcium per day?
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Post by vegasjames on Feb 16, 2018 18:33:00 GMT -5
vegasjames I hate any meds. Was already using Naproxin for many years, as needed. I mostly rely on herbal or home made meds. Currently taking magnesium, sort of. Natural form of magnesium that friends and I make. Combo of lots of thing that are magnesium rich, including local rocks, lol. I am not familiar with magnesium malate. Would it work for someone who is taking 1000 mg of calcium per day? Naproxen (Aleve) is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). NSAIDs, which also include ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin, Nuprin, etc.), celecoxib (Celebrex) and aspirin are extremely dangerous drugs. Even the FDA underestimates annual deaths from NSAIDs at approximately 16,500 deaths a year. Problem is that many deaths from NSAIDs do not get reported as such but rather get reported by their side effects that include heart attack, stroke, liver failure or kidney failure. And contrary to popular belief these side effects do not require long term use or overdose. These side effects can occur with a single recommended dose. For instance there were 2 dozen deaths from ibuprofen induced hepatitis during clinical trials of the drug. And I know 4 people who developed kidney failure from taking a single recommended dose of ibuprofen. Aspirin is the safest of the NSAIDs, but still accounts for about 5,000 deaths a year and is well know for causing peptic ulcers that can hemorrhage leading to death. Taking an aspirin during a heart attack is also one of the worse things you can possibly do as studies have proven. Unfortunately the aspirin sales propaganda has become such a part of our societal beliefs with even doctors falling for the taking aspirin during a heart attack nonsense. Here is a copy of a post I did on this on Dr. Oz' blog site: "http://blog.doctoroz.com/…/heart-attacks-does-the-type-of-a… Why does Dr. Oz keep repeating the take an aspirin during a heart attack myth? Research has shown that taking an aspirin during a heart attack is detrimental. The problem is that aspirin is a nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID). These drugs reduce inflammation by CONSTRICTING blood vessels. Same reason NSAIDs have been shown to cause heart attacks and strokes. Since the heart attack is caused by a lack of blood flow to the heart to begin with further reducing the blood flow to the heart during a heart attack with an NSAID is just plain stupid and again has been shown in studies to be detrimental. Aspirin will reduce platelet adhesion, but not fast enough to be of any benefit during a heart attack. Furthermore, not all heart attacks are from blood clots in the first place. They can also result from a number of other reasons including air or plaque embolus, blood vessel constriction (NSAIDs, high serum calcium, high insulin levels,etc.), vasospasm, electrical shock, hypovolemia, etc. Even if due to a thrombus (blood clot) the aspirin will not dissolve the blood clot. So again no benefit during a heart attack. You need fibrolytics to dissolve blood clots, which aspirin is not one. Neither are blood thinners such as heparin or Coumadin (Warfarin). In fact most medical personnel are not aware either that repetitive heparin therapy can cause deadly blood clots (white thrombus syndrome) due to the immune reaction against this foreign protein derived from pig lungs. The recommendation of a daily aspirin by some doctors is also a bad idea. Aspirin is well known for causing peptic ulcers and internal bleeding that can result in death. The reason is aspirin interferes with hormones known as prostaglandins. Prostaglandins are best known for dilating blood vessels, which improves circulation and also leading to inflammation. One prostaglandin interfered with by aspirin though is also responsible for producing the stomach's protective mucous lining that protects the stomach from damage from digestive juices. Therefore, when regular aspirin use is used the protective lining is lost and the stomach can be ulcerated by the digestive juices leading to ulcers and bleeding including deadly hemorrhaging." If you are making the magnesium product then it sounds like you are referring to "magnesium oil", which is actually magnesium chloride. Not as good as magnesium malate. Magnesium malate is a magnesium salt consisting of magnesium and malic acid. Both magnesium and malic acid increase cellular ATP levels helping cells to not only function but to function properly. You can find this in health food stores. Calcium is actually a muscle contracting compound and thus does just the opposite of muscle relaxants. This is also why high serum calcium can lead to high blood pressure, constipation, muscle cramps/spasms and even mental fogginess (from decreased blood flow to brain). This is the reason I recommend people taking magnesium use equal or slightly higher amounts of magnesium than calcium or in some cases skip the calcium altogether. It is easy to get plenty of calcium from magnesium rich foods like dark green leafy vegetables. Preferably ones low in oxalic acid though. And the normally high dose recommendations for calcium tend to be ridiculous anyway. Most often we hear 1200mg of calcium daily. This is based on studies that used poorly absorbed calcium carbonate. So the researchers figured if people took excessively high doses that they may absorb sufficient calcium. If taking acidified forms of calcium such as calcium citrate or malate absorption is significantly higher and thus people can get by with lower doses. And don't forget that calcium is not the most important nutrient for bones. Silica is. Followed by various amino acids (lysine, hydroxylysine, proline, hydroxyproline and glycine particularly), vitamin C, and traces of copper and zinc. Then comes calcium, magnesium, phosphorus, strontium, natural fluoride, boron and vitamins A (very small amounts), D, E and K and fatty acids. Calcium does not form or strengthen bones by itself.
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