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Post by jamesp on Feb 22, 2018 7:43:36 GMT -5
Composition begins with a fine glass blower's remnants with fine patterns and colors sandwiched between clear glass. These remnants must be sawn and/or nipped to size for correct volume and color placement before melting. It is prerequisite that the color layer be sandwiched between clear glass to avoid tumbling the color layer away. Plus you will have a basic magnifier from the clear glass after tumbling it into a lens focused on the color layer. Remnants in need of grinding/nipping to proper pendant size and weight after melt: Finished melts ready to be tumble shaped and tumble polished. Average size 25 to 30mm. Back side is flat and bezel friendly. Planning on taking these to an inexpensive market. Hopefully with a sales price of $3 in small batches of 6 to 10 to start with. Maybe I can appeal to wrappers, cab drillers, glue ons in the cheaper pendant market. Most fused glass is more costly. It is done with more attention to detail and is a piece by piece craft as opposed to this being more of a mass melt and mass tumble. they build their own color or use cookie cutter colored hobby glass instead of this glass blower's glass. I am also tumbling shards of blown vases from all over the world namely Italian, Czech, Romania, Poland and Turkey for an international flare.
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Post by kevin24018 on Feb 22, 2018 8:57:09 GMT -5
Composition begins with a fine glass blower's remnants with fine patterns and colors sandwiched between clear glass. These remnants must be sawn and/or nipped to size for correct volume and color placement before melting. It is prerequisite that the color layer be sandwiched between clear glass to avoid tumbling the color layer away. Plus you will have a basic magnifier from the clear glass after tumbling it into a lens focused on the color layer. Remnants in need of grinding/nipping to proper pendant size and weight after melt: Finished melts ready to be tumble shaped and tumble polished. Average size 25 to 30mm. Back side is flat and bezel friendly. Planning on taking these to an inexpensive market. Hopefully with a sales price of $3 in small batches of 6 to 10 to start with. Maybe I can appeal to wrappers, cab drillers, glue ons in the cheaper pendant market. Most fused glass is more costly. It is done with more attention to detail and is a piece by piece craft as opposed to this being more of a mass melt and mass tumble. they build their own color or use cookie cutter colored hobby glass instead of this glass blower's glass. I am also tumbling shards of blown vases from all over the world namely Italian, Czech, Romania, Poland and Turkey for an international flare. they shouldn't be difficult to sell. I went to a show few years ago and someone was selling dichroic glass for a pretty good amount, it was cool and all but a bit too pricey for me. Anyway you might look into aluminum foil glitter, not sure what the melting point is but might be neat to mess with.
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Post by fantastic5 on Feb 22, 2018 9:12:52 GMT -5
This looks more like the things jewelers are after! As long as it is not A LOT more labor intensive once you get it worked out, these should sell easily. I would think very easily for $3/piece, or are you saying a lot of 5 or 6 for $3? That seems too cheap.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 22, 2018 10:42:23 GMT -5
This looks more like the things jewelers are after! As long as it is not A LOT more labor intensive once you get it worked out, these should sell easily. I would think very easily for $3/piece, or are you saying a lot of 5 or 6 for $3? That seems too cheap. Geez Ann, after tumbling and opening up the visual to the innards it becomes a whole new world. The glass blower has done the art work, my job to shave and melt for presentation. I can melt with frits and chemicals and exaggerate effects easily. Or melt added features from above including clear glass sandwiching. it never ends, the melting is very flexible in what outcomes you want. I do not care so much for making a fortune but i would like to have a high volume of sales. It is mass production to some extent. And certainly develop a customer base of jewelry makers so I can send them out in $100 lot minimums to reduce shipping hassles of small orders. I am still trying to perfect the tumble polish, fine polish but could be better. I ordered a Lot-O yesterday as my Viking is getting hammered and eats power, Lot-o with tiny motor. Maybe I can modify the Lot-o for high glass production. Am totally working my butt off between the tumblers and the kiln. Getting cabinets and tools to assist. Today is pick up glass blower's remnants day. I have 3000 pounds from this blower so far, got another 6000 pounds to go. It will settle down soon. Opening the kiln the next day is sexy. I get excited, am I becoming gay ? Always had it bad for colors.
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Post by Fossilman on Feb 22, 2018 10:45:45 GMT -5
Let them throw the first numbers out Jim... You might get a surprise and sell them for more than your asking....
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Post by jamesp on Feb 22, 2018 10:49:09 GMT -5
Composition begins with a fine glass blower's remnants with fine patterns and colors sandwiched between clear glass. These remnants must be sawn and/or nipped to size for correct volume and color placement before melting. It is prerequisite that the color layer be sandwiched between clear glass to avoid tumbling the color layer away. Plus you will have a basic magnifier from the clear glass after tumbling it into a lens focused on the color layer. Remnants in need of grinding/nipping to proper pendant size and weight after melt: Finished melts ready to be tumble shaped and tumble polished. Average size 25 to 30mm. Back side is flat and bezel friendly. Planning on taking these to an inexpensive market. Hopefully with a sales price of $3 in small batches of 6 to 10 to start with. Maybe I can appeal to wrappers, cab drillers, glue ons in the cheaper pendant market. Most fused glass is more costly. It is done with more attention to detail and is a piece by piece craft as opposed to this being more of a mass melt and mass tumble. they build their own color or use cookie cutter colored hobby glass instead of this glass blower's glass. I am also tumbling shards of blown vases from all over the world namely Italian, Czech, Romania, Poland and Turkey for an international flare. they shouldn't be difficult to sell. I went to a show few years ago and someone was selling dichroic glass for a pretty good amount, it was cool and all but a bit too pricey for me. Anyway you might look into aluminum foil glitter, not sure what the melting point is but might be neat to mess with. Fine glass work brings in the dollars Kevin. I worry about copy cats coming along and copying my game. I would attempt selling on Etsy. As soon as you intro a new product on Etsy and it sells you have half a hundred others copying you. Metals and glitters are in the target. Chemical additives too. These are small melts done in mass so trying fancy ingredients is easy.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 22, 2018 10:49:57 GMT -5
Those are amazing and you wont have one bit of a problem selling them. $3.00 is too low $10.00 min for a batch of 4 to start and even then that may be too low
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Feb 22, 2018 11:31:26 GMT -5
I agree, $3.00 is too low. Just the cost of electricity to run that kiln would eat that up in no time.
I'm looking forward to buying some of these beauties from you for jewelry soon!
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Post by jamesp on Feb 22, 2018 12:23:51 GMT -5
Let them throw the first numbers out Jim... You might get a surprise and sell them for more than your asking.... Enough to cover expenses to the Rio, Brazil and Indonesia is all I want. Oh, and all the waste glass on the island of Murano in Italy.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 22, 2018 12:32:12 GMT -5
Thanks MsAli hummingbirdstones Some of them are darn interesting. For some reason I may not be concerned so much about the financial side, maybe more concerned about people wanting my creations. And really like doing this, fits me like a glove. Normally efforts like this are financial go figure. Must be guilty about buying so much stuff recently, me not to materialistic.
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Post by Pat on Feb 22, 2018 13:13:23 GMT -5
As a test, put together small handfuls here on RTH in the buy/sell section. Charge what you will.
I bet you would sell a lot. They are sooo pretty!
Put me down for a handful!
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Post by kevin24018 on Feb 22, 2018 14:24:38 GMT -5
they shouldn't be difficult to sell. I went to a show few years ago and someone was selling dichroic glass for a pretty good amount, it was cool and all but a bit too pricey for me. Anyway you might look into aluminum foil glitter, not sure what the melting point is but might be neat to mess with. Fine glass work brings in the dollars Kevin. I worry about copy cats coming along and copying my game. I would attempt selling on Etsy. As soon as you intro a new product on Etsy and it sells you have half a hundred others copying you. Metals and glitters are in the target. Chemical additives too. These are small melts done in mass so trying fancy ingredients is easy. Try to keep the selling local and on the down/low. $3 might be a bit low, often if something like this people will see the price and think it's too good to be true or that's it's Chinese knock off junk, just some things to consider.
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Post by snuffy on Feb 22, 2018 15:34:31 GMT -5
As a test, put together small handfuls here on RTH in the buy/sell section. Charge what you will. I bet you would sell a lot. They are sooo pretty! Put me down for a handful! My granddaughters would love these!!! I think! snuffy
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Post by unclesoska on Feb 22, 2018 19:02:13 GMT -5
Kudos on your low need/less greed attitude, but let's not sell yourself short. I agree w/ others about putting out some test packets and let the market decide what to pay. They really are beautiful eye-candy, and if feeling guilty about taking in too many $$$, there's always the charity route- ie: x% of sales goes to "X" charity. Now you've got not only a money maker, but you also become a philanthropist- WIN-WIN-WIN! Wait, stop, please, I can't stand all this Winning!
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Post by Jugglerguy on Feb 22, 2018 21:50:20 GMT -5
I ordered a Lot-O yesterday Holy cow! You’re joining Team Lot-O??? I didn’t think that would ever happen. This is exciting!
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Post by jamesp on Feb 23, 2018 6:09:21 GMT -5
I ordered a Lot-O yesterday Holy cow! You’re joining Team Lot-O??? I didn’t think that would ever happen. This is exciting! Hell Rob, by the time I get thru modifying it may look like a pot belly wood stove. Hopefully it will work on glass as it is with my funky recipe. The Vibrasonic is getting used full time and has a big motor that eats electricity. I believe the difference is 1/3 HP verses 1/20 HP for the Lot-O for about the same capacity hopper. Costs the same to run 6 Lot-O's to one Vibrasonic. As it is the vibe is the bottleneck as the rotary tumblers are way out producing the vibe. Does that mean I have to get that 200 pound concrete block ? Never seen a small machine that had to have a foundation as big as a mountain - commands respect, anxious to give it a go.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 23, 2018 6:36:59 GMT -5
Kudos on your low need/less greed attitude, but let's not sell yourself short. I agree w/ others about putting out some test packets and let the market decide what to pay. They really are beautiful eye-candy, and if feeling guilty about taking in too many $$$, there's always the charity route- ie: x% of sales goes to "X" charity. Now you've got not only a money maker, but you also become a philanthropist- WIN-WIN-WIN! Wait, stop, please, I can't stand all this Winning! I was trying to figure out the philanthropist attitude and it finally hit me why it exists. The generosity in this hobby. This is the most generous bunch I think I have ever met. Just on this single thread Pat, rockpickerforever, Jugglerguy have shared with me in the form of gifts in the mail. Others in the form of moral support unclesoska and especially you MsAli with all the appraisals and questions answered. Most of you know I sell fire pits. I eat a lot of crap to maintain my reviews. I get screwed over from time to time. Lots of wealthy customers, I see the greed in humanity in dealing with some of these people. That business is just cold hard selling to that world out there. RTH is definitely a safe haven. Yesterday I picked up about 25 five gallon buckets of trashed art glass. Spent most of the time watching the master and his 2 helpers blow glass lamp shades. These guys were the happiest people you could imagine because they love what they do. I doubt they are getting rich but their contentment trumps money. Something about art. Making cabs, tumbles, carvings is no different.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 23, 2018 6:44:58 GMT -5
Yesterday's weird experiment, melting clear sheet glass over colored glass chips to trap color. Did not work so well. Too much color dilution into the clear glass. Need to reduce the amount of clear glass. Perhaps just capping each color chip with a small piece of clear glass. Elmer's glue would allow that connection. Elmer's glue vaporizes in the kiln. As opposed to melting color chips that are already sandwiched in clear glass. They would be rejects in the glass fusing world because they have no polish. The back sides with a white glass patch or opaque patch to highlight color. Somewhat sophisticated layering.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 23, 2018 8:57:34 GMT -5
Kudos on your low need/less greed attitude, but let's not sell yourself short. I agree w/ others about putting out some test packets and let the market decide what to pay. They really are beautiful eye-candy, and if feeling guilty about taking in too many $$$, there's always the charity route- ie: x% of sales goes to "X" charity. Now you've got not only a money maker, but you also become a philanthropist- WIN-WIN-WIN! Wait, stop, please, I can't stand all this Winning! I was trying to figure out the philanthropist attitude and it finally hit me why it exists. The generosity in this hobby. This is the most generous bunch I think I have ever met. Just on this single thread Pat , rockpickerforever , Jugglerguy have shared with me in the form of gifts in the mail. Others in the form of moral support unclesoska and especially you MsAli with all the appraisals and questions answered. Most of you know I sell fire pits. I eat a lot of crap to maintain my reviews. I get screwed over from time to time. Lots of wealthy customers, I see the greed in humanity in dealing with some of these people. That business is just cold hard selling to that world out there. RTH is definitely a safe haven. Yesterday I picked up about 25 five gallon buckets of trashed art glass. Spent most of the time watching the master and his 2 helpers blow glass lamp shades. These guys were the happiest people you could imagine because they love what they do. I doubt they are getting rich but their contentment trumps money. Something about art. Making cabs, tumbles, carvings is no different. Beautifully said Jim and so very true. Kindness is a beautiful thing I am so happy you've found something that creates passion and happiness for you. I get happy just watching your excitemet and experiments with this.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 23, 2018 9:46:16 GMT -5
I was trying to figure out the philanthropist attitude and it finally hit me why it exists. The generosity in this hobby. This is the most generous bunch I think I have ever met. Just on this single thread Pat , rockpickerforever , Jugglerguy have shared with me in the form of gifts in the mail. Others in the form of moral support unclesoska and especially you MsAli with all the appraisals and questions answered. Most of you know I sell fire pits. I eat a lot of crap to maintain my reviews. I get screwed over from time to time. Lots of wealthy customers, I see the greed in humanity in dealing with some of these people. That business is just cold hard selling to that world out there. RTH is definitely a safe haven. Yesterday I picked up about 25 five gallon buckets of trashed art glass. Spent most of the time watching the master and his 2 helpers blow glass lamp shades. These guys were the happiest people you could imagine because they love what they do. I doubt they are getting rich but their contentment trumps money. Something about art. Making cabs, tumbles, carvings is no different. Beautifully said Jim and so very true. Kindness is a beautiful thing I am so happy you've found something that creates passion and happiness for you. I get happy just watching your excitemet and experiments with this.
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