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Post by MsAli on Feb 26, 2018 10:02:59 GMT -5
Can see why you like the "men" pieces. They look Mid evil to me. I love the ones that are brown/black/cream. More man glass from the burly Janke fernwood . Mid evil is an accurate descriptor, much of his glass is sold as pendant lights in the Atlanta bar scene. I guess a man that carries a 30 pound blob of glass on the end of a 6 foot pole all day stays in good shape. He's in shape. Some from the cooker this morning ready for pre-shaping. Janke patterns for the most part, some China made millefiori. A few test vases in last photo. Doing 100 to 130 per day. Experiments in every batch. Learning curve at full tilt. Glass fusing is totally conservative, amazed at the lack of adventuresome spirit. I build 8 small shelves every morning..no shelf gets put in the kiln without an experimental piece, that's the rule. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4695/40455259272_0368584c21_c.jpg) ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4657/40497276301_d999413b23_c.jpg) ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4627/39601542895_ef94f58d64_c.jpg)
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Post by jamesp on Feb 26, 2018 10:17:16 GMT -5
The whole batch from this morning. Note big tub of mesmerizing China made halloween colored millefiori. And some broken millefiori that got cooked in one of the photos. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4617/39602519165_988729a2e3_c.jpg) ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4755/40455857342_80140c830d_c.jpg) ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4675/38687842800_c54650aecf_c.jpg) Picked up 100 pounds of this stuff, China millefiori. Hypnotic MsAli![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4756/39602495955_b1aa117361_b.jpg)
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Post by zekesman on Feb 26, 2018 11:44:17 GMT -5
@jamessp If you bring your temp up and hold it a little longer, they will smooth and polish on their own. I do alot of kiln formed glass. I can get you a temp scedule if you want. Also do you know if the coefficent of expansion is the same for the clear glass you are fusing to the colors? If not you will run into problems as the glass will crack or separate later. Vic
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Post by jamesp on Feb 26, 2018 12:08:43 GMT -5
@jamessp If you bring your temp up and hold it a little longer, they will smooth and polish on their own. I do alot of kiln formed glass. I can get you a temp scedule if you want. Also do you know if the coefficent of expansion is the same for the clear glass you are fusing to the colors? If not you will run into problems as the glass will crack or separate later. Vic Thanks Vic I am cooking all kinds of glass. Much is machine made. Even the 1000's of pounds from the glass blower is over 6 different brands of COE 96 over 22 years. Some cook with a shine and some don't. Using 4 different ramp/hold programs as it is. In the end they all go for final shaping and polish in the tumblers. So I am not worried about a flame finish at all. Below is glass from 8 sources, some store bought vases, some hand blown, some machine made. You can see the 10 second tile saw clean ups to remove blobs and excess thickness. Flame finished, dull finished, crackle finished, wrinkle finished, I am getting all of them. Main target is to heat a dome on them. Thanks for the offer but I don't want to limit myself to store bought glass and I am trying to preserve a couple of glass blowers handy work. I would like to see your work very much, your kiln too. please post some photos here if you so please. some from this morning after grinding touch ups ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4758/39604500325_b5f102143d_b.jpg)
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Post by NRG on Feb 26, 2018 13:39:56 GMT -5
That same pid kiln controllerkit is on Amazon.com from the USA for like $50 if you look at "frequently bought together"If you decide to build your own kiln with a custom workspace you can likely do it for <$200 the elements are rather affordable
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Post by jamesp on Feb 26, 2018 15:09:10 GMT -5
That same pid kiln controllerkit is on Amazon.com from the USA for like $50 if you look at "frequently bought together"If you decide to build your own kiln with a custom workspace you can likely do it for <$200 the elements are rather affordable I found them cheap like that Scott but not with ramp/hold. I have to have ramp/hold(clearly specified). I don't see ramp/hold specified on that unit. You'd think it has that ability. Yea, kiln stuff is inexpensive excluding the brick. Basically I bought this one for the structure. Plus it is L&L brand and those guys still pride themselves with all parts. Could not turn that down. May have to add a coil in the top lift up door for glass, not sure yet. Those controllers are tiny DIN 16, so 4.5X4.5cm. I got a 4.5X9cm controller so I can see the sucker better and get my fat fingers on the buttons. Go to larger 11cmx11cm and price goes up in a quickness. should be a fun little techy project for the old man. PS Solid state switch that controller talks to is only a single pole switch and it switches 220VAC. That concerns me as you could only turn off one leg of the 220VAC. It would seem one side would be 110VAC hot to ground which is not so safe. So confused about that single point. Electrician question...
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Post by NRG on Feb 26, 2018 18:08:23 GMT -5
Good. Catch on the lack of ramp soak.
When we have a 220v heating element do we not just wire both 110v legs to it?
I got sum lernin' to does.
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Post by MrP on Feb 26, 2018 18:30:28 GMT -5
Good. Catch on the lack of ramp soak. When we have a 220v heating element do we not just wire both 110v legs to it? I got sum lernin' to does. You are correct and only one leg is broken on a water heater.................................MrP
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Post by jamesp on Feb 26, 2018 22:27:36 GMT -5
Good. Catch on the lack of ramp soak. When we have a 220v heating element do we not just wire both 110v legs to it? I got sum lernin' to does. You are correct and only one leg is broken on a water heater.................................MrP So it is proper to only turn off one leg ? it would certainly break the loop and turn it off. Wouldn't that leave the heating coil hot if you touched the coil w/one hand and ground with the other hand. That is no problem if that is the way it is done. I was thinking about the elements on a stove, I think only one leg is switched on/off on them yet they are high traffic.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 26, 2018 22:30:17 GMT -5
Good. Catch on the lack of ramp soak. When we have a 220v heating element do we not just wire both 110v legs to it? I got sum lernin' to does. Yea, I was lucky to catch that. Got to have a adjustable up/down ramp rates and adjustable soaks.
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Post by jamesp on Feb 26, 2018 22:39:12 GMT -5
15 minutes picking shards out Janke's glass, just a drop in the bucket. Got glass patterns to last lifetimes ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4704/40464581252_b25d4e1360_b.jpg) ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4767/39796779204_c70b3a7603_b.jpg)
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Post by jamesp on Feb 27, 2018 7:20:15 GMT -5
@jamessp If you bring your temp up and hold it a little longer, they will smooth and polish on their own. I do alot of kiln formed glass. I can get you a temp scedule if you want. Also do you know if the coefficent of expansion is the same for the clear glass you are fusing to the colors? If not you will run into problems as the glass will crack or separate later. Vic I covered these shards with a fine flame polishable 2mm glass and cooked it on Vic. Very nice polish that flame polish and way better than my tumble polish. Maybe this can be repeated and that is fine but my intent is to grind - shape - tumble. By carefully placing the 2mm glass cut-to-shape the melt made a darn near perfect cab. Heck, I'd be well to have the glass blower blow me a big gourd of this pattern and others like it to make cabs out of. I suppose I need to use multiple slices of clear glass to avoid the bubbles. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4663/39620304635_d2767951bb_c.jpg)
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Post by fernwood on Feb 27, 2018 7:50:46 GMT -5
Those last two are awesome. The bubbles remind me of those found in very old glass. I think they had a nice effect. Kinda like a miniature version of a very expensive, vintage paperweight.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 27, 2018 10:12:13 GMT -5
@jamessp If you bring your temp up and hold it a little longer, they will smooth and polish on their own. I do alot of kiln formed glass. I can get you a temp scedule if you want. Also do you know if the coefficent of expansion is the same for the clear glass you are fusing to the colors? If not you will run into problems as the glass will crack or separate later. Vic I covered these shards with a fine flame polishable 2mm glass and cooked it on Vic. Very nice polish that flame polish and way better than my tumble polish. Maybe this can be repeated and that is fine but my intent is to grind - shape - tumble. By carefully placing the 2mm glass cut-to-shape the melt made a darn near perfect cab. Heck, I'd be well to have the glass blower blow me a big gourd of this pattern and others like it to make cabs out of. I suppose I need to use multiple slices of clear glass to avoid the bubbles. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4663/39620304635_d2767951bb_c.jpg) Now those are awesome!!
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Post by NRG on Feb 27, 2018 10:43:56 GMT -5
Ya might learn glass blowing..... Just sayin' ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by MsAli on Feb 27, 2018 10:47:12 GMT -5
Ya might learn glass blowing..... Just sayin' ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by zekesman on Feb 27, 2018 11:16:40 GMT -5
@jamessp If you bring your temp up and hold it a little longer, they will smooth and polish on their own. I do alot of kiln formed glass. I can get you a temp scedule if you want. Also do you know if the coefficent of expansion is the same for the clear glass you are fusing to the colors? If not you will run into problems as the glass will crack or separate later. Vic I covered these shards with a fine flame polishable 2mm glass and cooked it on Vic. Very nice polish that flame polish and way better than my tumble polish. Maybe this can be repeated and that is fine but my intent is to grind - shape - tumble. By carefully placing the 2mm glass cut-to-shape the melt made a darn near perfect cab. Heck, I'd be well to have the glass blower blow me a big gourd of this pattern and others like it to make cabs out of. I suppose I need to use multiple slices of clear glass to avoid the bubbles. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4663/39620304635_d2767951bb_c.jpg) You can also grind and sand to shape, then flame polish. You get it hot enough to polish but not flow. I will show some of these when I get time to take pics. Looking good! Vic
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Post by jamesp on Feb 27, 2018 12:11:01 GMT -5
Ya might learn glass blowing..... Just sayin' ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Ya might learn glass blowing..... Just sayin' ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Uh reality check... To blow patterns like this I would need years experience. Assuming I ever could. I would just pay the master to blow a big ugly jug of fine detailed patterns like these and buy it. Then reduce it to jewels. No way me can blow glass like this. Not in a myllyun years. Great commission task though. Plus I smoke.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 27, 2018 12:14:39 GMT -5
Ya might learn glass blowing..... Just sayin' ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Uh reality check... To blow patterns like this I would need years experience. Assuming I ever could. I would just pay the master to blow a big ugly jug of fine detailed patterns like these and buy it. Then reduce it to jewels. No way me can blow glass like this. Not in a myllyun years. Great commission task though. Plus I smoke. I think it would be fun to try-just to say you did it
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Post by NRG on Feb 27, 2018 12:16:14 GMT -5
Ya might learn glass blowing..... Just sayin' ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) Uh reality check... To blow patterns like this I would need years experience. Assuming I ever could. I would just pay the master to blow a big ugly jug of fine detailed patterns like these and buy it. Then reduce it to jewels. No way me can blow glass like this. Not in a myllyun years. Great commission task though. Plus I smoke. Go watch them. You will be surprised how simply patterns are made. How a dip in clear glass makes laminations you previously thought only a machine could do.
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