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Post by 1dave on Mar 2, 2018 9:48:53 GMT -5
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Post by Don on Mar 2, 2018 10:57:56 GMT -5
Anyone take a good look at the water weathering on the sphinx and the surrounding quarry it was carved out of? That monument is a lot older than what the official narrative tells us it is.
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Post by mohs on Mar 2, 2018 11:03:10 GMT -5
canals were invented when some guy (or was it a gal) took a leak.
This provided the insight that a groove could be dug by hand,
(later by stone ),
next to a water source!
Diverting moisture to the planting fields.
A major stream of consciousness that revolutionized agriculture !
Its possible that they tried a group pee first
But the seeds just died.
The stars weren’t pleased,
Since lithographic civilization didn’t care to write in any coherent fashion,
millennium later the book,
“The Little Yellow Stream” by I.P. Daily
was written in honor.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 13:26:21 GMT -5
Anyone take a good look at the water weathering on the sphinx and the surrounding quarry it was carved out of? I got a look at it many moons ago - not quite brand new, but long before the last big chunks fell off. Some of the sphinx is quite well preserved, but it was cut through layers of rock with varying hardnesses. Those alternating softer and harder bedding layers allowed easy quarrying in the area to produce the blocks for the pyramids and other structures. Other than the head, most of the sphinx is quite crumbly, and it doesn't take much in the way of a sandstorm to wear those layers away. Salts carried into the stone by infrequent storms and ancient groundwater also have done their part in eroding. Modern efforts to stop the crumbling haven't worked (everything from coating to injecting with resin stabilizers). The blocks of the nearby pyramids (much of which are made of the same softer stone) have also experienced the same type of erosion since the hard outer casing stones were stripped away between 1300 and 1810 when the pyramids were used as a quarry for new buildings in nearby Cairo. One wonders what eventually will be left? |
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 2, 2018 13:27:40 GMT -5
1dave, when I first saw your title, I thought you were talking about really ancient peoples. I had a dna test for genealogy from Ancestry. You can download your raw dna data from the site and use it yourself for lots of fun things. One thing I did was to compare my DNA with the known dna of ancient people. I'm talking Neanderthal, Denisova, etc. Here's the link to all the different peoples. www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html The program simply compares two files for matches. Very simple. It doesn't even install. www.y-str.org/2014/12/ancient-calculator.html
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 13:34:16 GMT -5
1dave, when I first saw your title, I thought you were talking about really ancient peoples. I had a dna test for genealogy from Ancestry. You can download your raw dna data from the site and use it yourself for lots of fun things. One thing I did was to compare my DNA with the known dna of ancient people. I'm talking Neanderthal, Denisova, etc. Here's the link to all the different peoples. www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html The program simply compares two files for matches. Very simple. It doesn't even install. www.y-str.org/2014/12/ancient-calculator.html Interesting site. You can also upload your DNA data to GEDmatch, which offers some free tools to analyze. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Mar 2, 2018 13:38:40 GMT -5
1dave , when I first saw your title, I thought you were talking about really ancient peoples. I had a dna test for genealogy from Ancestry. You can download your raw dna data from the site and use it yourself for lots of fun things. One thing I did was to compare my DNA with the known dna of ancient people. I'm talking Neanderthal, Denisova, etc. Here's the link to all the different peoples. www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.html The program simply compares two files for matches. Very simple. It doesn't even install. www.y-str.org/2014/12/ancient-calculator.html Interesting site. You can also upload your DNA data to GEDmatch, which offers some free tools to analyze. Yes, I looked into a whole bunch of them. promethease.com/ is really good. It compares your dna to all of the known strands and tells you about heath risks and benefits including if you are a carrier of anything. Turns out I am a carrier for some rare thing I never heard of. Kids don't have it, though. |
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Post by grumpybill on Mar 2, 2018 13:59:41 GMT -5
The chart doesn't mention the megalith-building civilization(s) of western Europe and the British Isles.
Those people seem to have had an advanced civilization long before the Egyptians. (Some researchers think the Egyptian and Sumerian civilizations were a later offshoot of the megalith builders.)
Interestingly, they seem to have avoided the use of metal, even after its use became prevalent elsewhere. Possibly a religious thing?
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Post by mohs on Mar 2, 2018 16:30:06 GMT -5
Discovery of such site such as Göbekli Tepe
definitely re-evaluated our understanding of
human collective endeavors.
I suppose a definition of:
what a civilization is ?
will help define the dating.
Whatever that definition is:
a certain type of consciousness had to emerge for the undertaking.
This is the mystery…
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Post by grumpybill on Mar 2, 2018 17:09:56 GMT -5
My definition of civilization is a large group of people working together, in an organized manner, requiring a division of labor, to achieve a common good.
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Post by mohs on Mar 2, 2018 18:01:12 GMT -5
Thanks!
Good definition
Could apply to super organism such as bees & ants
So the question becomes:
when & how
did humans gain the capacity to meet the definition.
Being that human existed for eons before
they chose the path to collective organization...
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Post by grumpybill on Mar 2, 2018 20:21:24 GMT -5
My guess as to the when-and-how is that it was shortly after, or coincided with, the shift from hunter-gatherers to agriculture when the priestly/astronomer class became a necessity.
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Post by mohs on Mar 2, 2018 21:53:32 GMT -5
Ha ha the smart aleck in me wants to say:
So its the priests who are to blame.
Point about Göbekli Tepe was there was no
established civilization when the structures were built.
At least they haven’t found that sort of evidence.
Cultivated grains, pottery ect…
Its more like hunter gathers decided to build a temple
(or some sort of monument) to something.
So a sacred place (or maybe even religion)
preceded established agricultural based
communal efforts?
Perhaps…
We most likely stumbled into the civilizing process
They claim around Göbekli Tepe at that time,
the weather was mellowing, certain grains were naturally abundant,
w/ lots of game to hunt.
relatively easy-- not to have to keep moving on.
We already had the gift of fire and tool making down
Probably to their mindset
Paradise!
And then the troubles soon began ….ha ha
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Post by grumpybill on Mar 2, 2018 22:35:12 GMT -5
Ha ha the smart aleck in me wants to say: So its the priests who are to blame. Well...we can certainly blame them for the development of kingship. That last sentence is key. Just because we haven't found something doesn't mean it didn't exist. |
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Post by mohs on Mar 3, 2018 0:40:46 GMT -5
I enjoyed that Bill
catchya around some other rock pile
mostly
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Post by grumpybill on Mar 3, 2018 6:56:11 GMT -5
I also enjoyed our discussion, mohs . |
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Post by lookatthat on Mar 3, 2018 11:21:50 GMT -5
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
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Post by 1dave on Mar 3, 2018 11:46:19 GMT -5
Lions aand tigers and bears oh my!
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Post by mohs on Mar 3, 2018 12:42:02 GMT -5
Uhhhh! Typo ?
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Post by grumpybill on Mar 3, 2018 13:03:40 GMT -5
On the subject of Göbekli Tepe:
Is it possible that the structures were built before the fragmented comet strike that some on the fringe believe nearly wiped out previous advanced cultures and led to the worldwide flood stories? Could explain why there is no sign of a nearby settlement.
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