doublet83
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Post by doublet83 on Mar 15, 2018 19:12:21 GMT -5
Hawking was an inspirational man. I'm not qualified to assess the scope of his work or his scientific theories, but anyone who can overcome the physical limitations that he suffered under to go on and live a full and productive life, gets my full respect. Few people understand his science, but everyone can relate to the challenge of overcoming adversity. The adversity that most of us suffer is insignificant compared to permanent paralysis from the neck down.
Disease can strike anyone. Would I have the same willpower as Hawking in his situation? I can only hope so, but I doubt it.
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spiritstone
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Post by spiritstone on Mar 15, 2018 20:06:51 GMT -5
Goddamn it... that's clever, spirit ! owlcation.com/humanities/Stephen-Hawking-Says-There-Is-No-God-Heres-WhyI’m trying to run down the exact quote in the meme I can’t find it-- but it is possible that Mr. Hawkings said it just that way. Which would be pretty asinine for such a clever man O.K. he made a tactical idiotic statement He did say the above -- well.. that what he thought! Possible he may have had some anger issues with his divine fate. not sure yet I can empathize. Its just so typical to speak for God Maybe God is more Love than we know ? I hope so…. Paradox? |
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Post by 1dave on Mar 15, 2018 20:11:03 GMT -5
There is no PROOF there is a God.
There is no PROOF there is no God.
there is only faith in something and faith in nothing.
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Post by mohs on Mar 15, 2018 20:15:50 GMT -5
No paradox
The Bible is the inerrant divine word
All atheist burn.
Hawkings said it. He’s toast
Free will and all
dis belief is the biggest sin,,,
mostly
if only steve hawkings
had dies after this interview
he would have saved his soul
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Post by MsAli on Mar 15, 2018 20:23:50 GMT -5
Goddamn it... that's clever, spirit ! owlcation.com/humanities/Stephen-Hawking-Says-There-Is-No-God-Heres-WhyI’m trying to run down the exact quote in the meme I can’t find it-- but it is possible that Mr. Hawkings said it just that way. Which would be pretty asinine for such a clever man O.K. he made a tactical idiotic statement He did say the above -- well.. that what he thought! Possible he may have had some anger issues with his divine fate. not sure yet I can empathize. Its just so typical to speak for God Maybe God is more Love than we know ? I hope so…. Paradox? a seemingly absurd or self-contradictory statement or proposition that when investigated or explained may prove to be well founded or true.
May prove, Not does prove----WE DONT and WONT KNOW until it is our time to find out
What if he is right and those that believe are wrong?
Does no one question what you've been taught to believe?
What if the Egyptians, American Indians and others were right and there is more than one God?
What if the bible is the biggest book of fiction ever?
What if we are an experiment?
What if there is reincarnation
What if earth is hell and we keep returning until we get life right?
What ever happened to curiosity? What age did we loose that?
Sorry, just some things I think about
again we don't know, so who are we to judge what others believe? ? GOD IS LOVE-that in my opinion is the #1 thing people forget
"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love"
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Post by Garage Rocker on Mar 15, 2018 20:34:48 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Mar 15, 2018 20:51:08 GMT -5
The above song as its valid points
I’ll add some more of mine
Unfortunately ha ha
my soul will be judged
but I sure ain't going to judge
someones else’s soul to eternal torment
even some reall assholes
many of whom have neurological funkiness
and there may be some real idiots
that do evil rationally sanely
just to spite their free will
This I hope there is retribution for
evil is done through ignorance tho
I believe that
And
I just can’t see the divine purpose
In a warehouse of hellfire
2000 freaking years
billion & billion of funky humans
paying some tormenting eternal price ?
Jesus!
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Post by parfive on Mar 15, 2018 21:10:43 GMT -5
God acknowledges and loves all of his children without exception Has he seen Syria or f’in Burma lately? |
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Post by mohs on Mar 15, 2018 21:25:26 GMT -5
One more time I swear
But I lie-- another weakness
I’m so toast
Nonetheless
hubris to the Greek's
Was the worst sin
Do Scientist express hubris?
Did Hawkings?
I’m not sure.
If we have a rational mind
At least some do
And
God created it
Then Why?
So we can think ?
OK-- we had did get this curse through disobedience
its not all that great and the price is eternal damnation?
someone take back my gift of free will
please
i could be just as happy being a monkey man
This is why I have trouble obediently believing the written word
It’s a marvelous text and all
A miracle even
But it really as some screwy human logic in it
Yawha!
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Post by mohs on Mar 15, 2018 22:25:36 GMT -5
The fuller quote by Hawkings
think the preceding statement
“…the simplest explanation…
is the loophole!!!
God just made an escalator to
heaven!
Handicap access
Shit
Progress!
Yes-I’m trying save Hawkings soul
God knows his
physical condition was enough
suffering…
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NRG
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Post by NRG on Mar 16, 2018 12:29:59 GMT -5
God acknowledges and loves all of his children without exception Has he seen Syria or f’in Burma lately? The quote didn't promise his intervention. |
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Post by parfive on Mar 16, 2018 13:22:08 GMT -5
i.e. useless
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NRG
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Post by NRG on Mar 16, 2018 14:13:24 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Mar 16, 2018 14:15:03 GMT -5
have to believe the idea of God(s)
was essential to the brain development
Perhaps it was a useless idea ?
We want to know where we come form
Whether its comfortable or not, I suppose
So with a bit of imagination & curiosity we moderns
<sly grin>
try to contemplate mankind earliest beginnings
What were they to think?
What did they think?
as they started banding
together in
commune,
villages,
city/state ?
Was it natural to believe that there was some guiding principle ?
Some over arching reason- purpose ?
Ah! reason & purpose!
2 more troubling ideas!
Anyway the God idea did seem to
spin out
wildly,
fabulously &
convoluted(ly)
Welcome to Humanity
mohs
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Fossilman
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Post by Fossilman on Mar 16, 2018 14:20:48 GMT -5
I never was a fan of Hawking, but he lived a longer life than most with his disability....
I wonder if someone has told Sheldon Cooper ......
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spiritstone
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Post by spiritstone on Mar 16, 2018 19:40:35 GMT -5
There is no PROOF there is a God. There is no PROOF there is no God. there is only faith in something and faith in nothing. Which is the longer time? Forever or Never? They are both eternal concepts. Since they are both eternal concepts there is no difference in time accept either one exists and one does not exist. And if there is no difference in time other than if “forever” exists or “never” exists, then either the Universe exists or it does not exist. We know that the universe exists; therefore, since the universe exists the existence necessarily can only exist forever, excluding “never” but including all the relevant extensions such as time and space attributed to the universe. A complete package. “Something” rather than “Nothing” |
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Post by mohs on Mar 16, 2018 20:20:28 GMT -5
That’s an interesting paradox, spirit
Yet the main premise may be flawed
Time is a construct of the mind
See Immanuel Kant Categories
That aside:
according to Einstein
Space & Time are entangled.. No?
So “Never”
would need to reside
in certain physical place
and “Forever”
would need it own special
place
Where could that physical place be?
As to the faith part of the conjecture
I suppose were free
to put our faith in
(or not)
any place…mostly
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 16, 2018 23:39:14 GMT -5
Well this memorial thread sure turned into something that should maybe be banished to the cave.
In a feeble, albeit probably vain attempt to reel it back in...
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spiritstone
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Post by spiritstone on Mar 17, 2018 7:50:57 GMT -5
mohs Can space and time be an illusion? Something or nothing? The big bang has always posed something of a paradox. The ordinary laws of physics, operating within time, are inherently unable to explain the beginning of time. According to those laws, something must precede the big bang to set it into motion. Yet nothing is supposed to precede it. A way out of the paradox is to think of the big bang not as the beginning but as a transition, when space crystallized from a primeval state of spacelessness. Now consider the mysterious phenomena of quantum nonlocality — what Einstein called “spooky action at a distance.” Two or more particles can act in a coordinated way, no matter how far apart they may be, and they do so without sending out a sound wave, beaming a radio signal or otherwise communicating across the gap that separates them. The particles behave as though they are not, in fact, separated. And one possible explanation is that the particles are rooted in the deeper level of reality where distance has no meaning. This is all still speculation — but it is constrained speculation. Scientists didn’t dream up these ideas over drinks after work. They were driven to them by combining the principles of Einstein’s theory and of quantum theory and seeing where the path takes them. By the very nature of research, we don’t know what these ideas mean or even if they’re right. But we do know that humans have not yet grasped all there is to grasp about the universe. And when we do take the next step, the effects will surely propagate into our broader culture. Just as learning something new makes you a better person, so too will learning something new about the universe propel humanity to the next level.
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Post by 1dave on Mar 17, 2018 9:11:07 GMT -5
mohs Can space and time be an illusion? Something or nothing? The big bang has always posed something of a paradox. The ordinary laws of physics, operating within time, are inherently unable to explain the beginning of time. According to those laws, something must precede the big bang to set it into motion. Yet nothing is supposed to precede it. A way out of the paradox is to think of the big bang not as the beginning but as a transition, when space crystallized from a primeval state of spacelessness. Now consider the mysterious phenomena of quantum nonlocality — what Einstein called “spooky action at a distance.” Two or more particles can act in a coordinated way, no matter how far apart they may be, and they do so without sending out a sound wave, beaming a radio signal or otherwise communicating across the gap that separates them. The particles behave as though they are not, in fact, separated. And one possible explanation is that the particles are rooted in the deeper level of reality where distance has no meaning. This is all still speculation — but it is constrained speculation. Scientists didn’t dream up these ideas over drinks after work. They were driven to them by combining the principles of Einstein’s theory and of quantum theory and seeing where the path takes them. By the very nature of research, we don’t know what these ideas mean or even if they’re right. But we do know that humans have not yet grasped all there is to grasp about the universe. And when we do take the next step, the effects will surely propagate into our broader culture. Just as learning something new makes you a better person, so too will learning something new about the universe propel humanity to the next level. In 1929, from analysis of galactic redshifts, Edwin Hubble concluded that galaxies are drifting apart; this is important observational evidence consistent with the hypothesis of an expanding universe. Extrapolation of the expansion of the universe backwards in time using general relativity yields an infinite density and temperature at a finite time in the past termed a "singularity". English astronomer Fred Hoyle is credited with coining the term "Big Bang" during a 1949 BBC radio broadcast, saying: "These theories were based on the hypothesis that all the matter in the universe was created in one big bang at a particular time in the remote past. What is - or was - a singularity? The question was answered when Albert Einstein first predicted black holes (singularities!) in 1916 with his general theory of relativity. The term "black hole" was coined in 1967 by American astronomer John Wheeler, and the first one was discovered in 1971. Matter is being sucked out of our universe into other universes. Our "Big Bang" was the death of a previous universe and the birth of ours. That is why I believe in the "Big Crunch," not in an expanding universe that dissipates into nothingness. And YES! This discussion belongs in the Cave so as to not terrify new members. |
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