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Post by jamesp on Apr 14, 2018 20:27:51 GMT -5
Wow! That Greek glass is the bomb! Too bad it delaminates sometimes. Glad I missed out on the previous discussion. Things could have gone south more than it did! I have a bunch of thick vase bottoms and overly heavy vases. They are thick with colored glass. Looks like I found a way to utilize them though a bit xxx rated lol. Nip off two chunks of equal size, grind a flat on one edge of each, set them on edge with the colored glass touching each other and melt. Who'd a known. The Greek stuff is the real bomb. 2nd Greek plate processed so far. They do fine if the metal foil covers less than 25/30% of total area. Can't wait to play with the reactive stuff.
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Post by MrP on Apr 15, 2018 6:03:57 GMT -5
Wow! That Greek glass is the bomb! Too bad it delaminates sometimes. Glad I missed out on the previous discussion. Things could have gone south more than it did! I have a bunch of thick vase bottoms and overly heavy vases. They are thick with colored glass. Looks like I found a way to utilize them though a bit xxx rated lol. Nip off two chunks of equal size, grind a flat on one edge of each, set them on edge with the colored glass touching each other and melt. Who'd a known. The Greek stuff is the real bomb. 2nd Greek plate processed so far. They do fine if the metal foil covers less than 25/30% of total area. Can't wait to play with the reactive stuff. James could you snap a picture the next time you do the vase bottoms?............................MrP
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Post by jamesp on Apr 15, 2018 8:38:26 GMT -5
I have a bunch of thick vase bottoms and overly heavy vases. They are thick with colored glass. Looks like I found a way to utilize them though a bit xxx rated lol. Nip off two chunks of equal size, grind a flat on one edge of each, set them on edge with the colored glass touching each other and melt. Who'd a known. The Greek stuff is the real bomb. 2nd Greek plate processed so far. They do fine if the metal foil covers less than 25/30% of total area. Can't wait to play with the reactive stuff. James could you snap a picture the next time you do the vase bottoms?............................MrP Glad to Michael. I will say it is only vases that react well to my heat schedule though. Many vases vitrify or simply will not melt at my temp schedule. In investing all this money in vases I have kept samples of each vase and it's reaction to my schedule(s). The next issue is the location of the color layer and the the fact the blower had to lay a minimum of 2 layers down together for this to make this mix/pattern. I now target certain brands, Asian vases noted for being heavy with heavy color layers. Italian noted for being light weight. Plus China has so many non-environmental friendly colors(only poisonous at manufacture). They fly w/no EPA crap. This brand is China made. Picked it up for a song used. Good for about 110 largish pendants. I know this vase is $100 at bulk import pricing(oversea container pricing). Good as glass blowing gets, and very fine glass. I find these around Atlanta as they have been heavily imported to this city for many years. Out generation getting rid of them. This brand is a candidate for many type of fusing arrangements like this side-by-side melt. I am an engineer so everything has to have a formulae. This vase weighs 5 pounds and just under 3/8" thick consistent = 110 largish pendants. I used to take a scale with me and measure price per 50 pendants when buying vases. It is now seat of pants This is one of those favorite vases from China. I can do about anything I want to it. check it out, one side: ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/801/41471501011_824e8cd87f_b.jpg) other side ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/802/40578620075_be99326fe7_b.jpg)
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Post by MrP on Apr 15, 2018 9:37:33 GMT -5
James could you snap a picture the next time you do the vase bottoms?............................MrP Glad to Michael. I will say it is only vases that react well to my heat schedule though. Many vases vitrify or simply will not melt at my temp schedule. In investing all this money in vases I have kept samples of each vase and it's reaction to my schedule(s). The next issue is the location of the color layer and the the fact the blower had to lay a minimum of 2 layers down together for this to make this mix/pattern. I now target certain brands, Asian vases noted for being heavy with heavy color layers. Italian noted for being light weight. Plus China has so many non-environmental friendly colors(only poisonous at manufacture). They fly w/no EPA crap. This brand is China made. Picked it up for a song used. Good for about 110 largish pendants. I know this vase is $100 at bulk import pricing(oversea container pricing). Good as glass blowing gets, and very fine glass. I find these around Atlanta as they have been heavily imported to this city for many years. Out generation getting rid of them. This brand is a candidate for many type of fusing arrangements like this side-by-side melt. I am an engineer so everything has to have a formulae. This vase weighs 5 pounds and just under 3/8" thick consistent = 110 largish pendants. I used to take a scale with me and measure price per 50 pendants when buying vases. It is now seat of pants This is one of those favorite vases from China. I can do about anything I want to it. check it out, one side: ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/801/41471501011_824e8cd87f_b.jpg) other side ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/802/40578620075_be99326fe7_b.jpg) I do like that vase James! I have collected a lot of different vases and other blown bowls, glasses, plates, and other things. I need to find the right kiln before I start to see what will slump or fuse. I have broken and shaped a few pieces. You are right about those plier cutters, they sure work great! My wife found a lamp that was opalized and gold embossed, that I broke and made her a pendant earring set out of. The gold embossing will come off but you have to work at it to get it off so it will stand up for this use. I found that on some of the cheaper stuff the glass layers are 'chippy' so I have to be careful working the edges. The good thing with the thinner ones is that they are already polished so all that has be done is shape them. One problem is getting the right shape for pendants and earrings out of the vase or other object because of the shape of the item, that is why it will be nice to slump them. I sure wish it would warm up so I could start tumbling the thicker pieces..................MrP
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Post by jamesp on Apr 15, 2018 10:50:02 GMT -5
No end to the glass MrP, lots of variables and plethora color/pattern. The nippers are the cat's meow, learned that after using the tile saw, ha and what a difference. This is 2 bases of the 2 vases from the China brand I like so much. Some of the glass is 1 inch thick and ready to lay you open if not careful w/it. All I want is the color, when this stuff is taken to 1500 it will make a large blob of clear glass and the color will be a blob within the blob. To make the vagina pattern I simply ground an edge on 2 equal volume pieces to flat and will sandwich them. Set them on the ground edge that you see(so they will stand up) and melt them. They simply collapse and the color mates into this pattern. Well, it did it on 2 out of 2 attempts. This time I will try it with different colors. Maybe I will get rich on lady organ art lol...I am not introducing any curly hairs !!! Hey, if it is trending you do whatever... I'm just listening to our dear lady members. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/802/27603227918_3bfb531b2a_c.jpg) Check out heavy color layer at bases: ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/785/40761006044_2185677590_c.jpg) This is a third vase from that company, I have 5. So far they all fuse compatibly. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/787/40581815215_ce16f99080_c.jpg)
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Post by MrP on Apr 15, 2018 11:28:00 GMT -5
Got it James. There sure is a difference in the vases. I have found a few very heavy fine colored with a white interior that the color is some kind of sprayed on coating. I almost bought the first one but thought something wasn't right and happened to see the smallest scratch on it. Some of the coatings are cheap and easy to see but there are some that are put on very well and almost fool me. Sure do like finding Quality glass.............................MrP
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Post by jamesp on Apr 15, 2018 15:27:45 GMT -5
Got it James. There sure is a difference in the vases. I have found a few very heavy fine colored with a white interior that the color is some kind of sprayed on coating. I almost bought the first one but thought something wasn't right and happened to see the smallest scratch on it. Some of the coatings are cheap and easy to see but there are some that are put on very well and almost fool me. Sure do like finding Quality glass.............................MrP A lot of machine blown glass has a super thin color layer, and a good glass blower can put the color on thin. For some reason a lot of the Asian vases have really thick closed glass layers. And their vases are heavy. You have to watch the sprayed on stuff. Most good vases have a nice layer of clear glass over the top. Many fine ones have a white layer on the inside, but so do machine blowns. I loaded the bottom shelf of kiln with the xxx melts, running test melts on the fine China made, and doing some misc. on top shelf. That 5 color vase broke into 99 shards, a bit big ones. I am test melting the 5 color vase to see if the colors melt together, I don't want them to(probably anyway). If they do melt together and get uglier I will only slump the rest of them flat. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/891/40766491134_27953172a4_c.jpg) ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/864/41437882582_4d37a323e2_b.jpg)
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Post by jamesp on Apr 16, 2018 8:21:35 GMT -5
I performed a dramatic theme change on the Etsy site this morning after listening to the advise of RTH members. Especially losing the mention of "tumble polished" and emphasizing the origin of all my purchased and salvaged glass. Thanks for the advise on the mass production insinuation that 'tumble polish' creates. BRILLIANTLY POLISHED GLASS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD "Our uniquely patterned and shaped glass is made from vases from all over the world and repurposed scraps from glass blowers. Most has been fired in a kiln and highly polished." Note index of "Items" to left on Etsy shop page. Asia - Poland - Italy - US hand blown - Fused by GemGlassArt - etc. Impressive eh ? I am aware of the origins of this glass. Vases say "Made in *******" quite regularly. Intriguing that I am repurposing an imported art medium. Not only is it an imported product but it is an art form that has been repurposed from one art form to another art form. Interesting concept. I am fully aware and amazed of this when working it, certain that the recipient will be aware of it when he/she is wearing it.... You can have up to 20 custom item sections on your shop page and they can make a big impression. ![](https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/787/41495976821_f2e82d3499_c.jpg)
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Post by fantastic5 on Apr 16, 2018 8:51:39 GMT -5
Looking better and better jamesp! Take a second look at the top row middle listed item. You used the same description but only have one item. I'm currently in an ETSY battle with an overseas seller for a quantity issue. So I think I am just hyper-aware of quantity issues currently.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 16, 2018 9:03:22 GMT -5
Looking better and better jamesp! Take a second look at the top row middle listed item. You used the same description but only have one item. I'm currently in an ETSY battle with an overseas seller for a quantity issue. So I think I am just hyper-aware of quantity issues currently. Those listings are in play mode Ann, that Etsy shop is presently a scratch pad and totally in disarray. Thanks for noticing. Good luck with your battle. I hate that is is overseas. They may be smiling, i hope they treat you right. It doesn't take much of a complaint and I freight another whole fire pit at my cost. I don't want complaints. They very rarely happen. Etsy all about reviews....
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Post by fantastic5 on Apr 16, 2018 10:53:47 GMT -5
Looking better and better jamesp ! Take a second look at the top row middle listed item. You used the same description but only have one item. I'm currently in an ETSY battle with an overseas seller for a quantity issue. So I think I am just hyper-aware of quantity issues currently. Those listings are in play mode Ann, that Etsy shop is presently a scratch pad and totally in disarray. Thanks for noticing. Good luck with your battle. I hate that is is overseas. They may be smiling, i hope they treat you right. It doesn't take much of a complaint and I freight another whole fire pit at my cost. I don't want complaints. They very rarely happen. Etsy all about reviews.... I hope they treat me right too. Got this response: Dear Buyer This Is 1 to 5 Strand Variation Listing, You Was Select Strand Quantity 1,For All Three (1 Strand Hessonite,1 Strand Tourmaline,1 Strand Carnelian )Strands You Ordered 1 Strand So I Give you 3 Strand. No place do they state single strand. I should have gotten 15 strands total, and got 3 in the mail. Big difference, would not have purchased a single strand at those costs. I sent them the screen shot below back and told them that it was not a 'varation' listing because there was no place to select how many strands. And that they need to send the other 12 strands or refund my money. No response yet. Will wait another day to see if they comply, then I'll open a case with ETSY and give a bad review. ![](https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30714722_10204587885934698_3824158856527740928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=79326add9fc8fac99c018c8193569d7d&oe=5B6BAE5A)
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Post by jamesp on Apr 16, 2018 11:20:30 GMT -5
Those listings are in play mode Ann, that Etsy shop is presently a scratch pad and totally in disarray. Thanks for noticing. Good luck with your battle. I hate that is is overseas. They may be smiling, i hope they treat you right. It doesn't take much of a complaint and I freight another whole fire pit at my cost. I don't want complaints. They very rarely happen. Etsy all about reviews.... I hope they treat me right too. Got this response: Dear Buyer This Is 1 to 5 Strand Variation Listing, You Was Select Strand Quantity 1,For All Three (1 Strand Hessonite,1 Strand Tourmaline,1 Strand Carnelian )Strands You Ordered 1 Strand So I Give you 3 Strand. No place do they state single strand. I should have gotten 15 strands total, and got 3 in the mail. Big difference, would not have purchased a single strand at those costs. I sent them the screen shot below back and told them that it was not a 'varation' listing because there was no place to select how many strands. And that they need to send the other 12 strands or refund my money. No response yet. Will wait another day to see if they comply, then I'll open a case with ETSY and give a bad review. ![](https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/30714722_10204587885934698_3824158856527740928_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=79326add9fc8fac99c018c8193569d7d&oe=5B6BAE5A) Sellers of chains and cord are some of the most crooked. The price can be so cheap. I simply bought 6 different chains from an Asian supplier, 3 out of 6 were very nice. The other 3 were trash. But still came out way cheaper in 100 meter rolls, 300 meters of nice chain and totally cheap. Good luck Ann !
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