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Post by toiv0 on Apr 16, 2018 16:31:17 GMT -5
Just curious how long it takes to wire wrap an average cab. If there is such a thing as average. For instance if I sliver Smith a cab with no interruptions it will be less than an hour from start to finish. That would be bezel soldered, soldered to the back plate, cut out, make a bail, set the stone and polish. No frill or extras like wire around bezel wire ect.which could add another hr.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Apr 16, 2018 17:11:45 GMT -5
No frills fully wrapped stone I was spending about 35-40 minutes and using maybe $3 in sterling wire Groove wrap is about 15 minutes and that includes cutting the groove. Less then $1 in sterling wire. Chuck
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Post by toiv0 on Apr 16, 2018 17:48:38 GMT -5
No frills fully wrapped stone I was spending about 35-40 minutes and using maybe $3 in sterling wire Groove wrap is about 15 minutes and that includes cutting the groove. Less then $1 in sterling wire. Chuck Thanks
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 16, 2018 20:15:56 GMT -5
How have you gone about cutting a groove?
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Post by Pat on Apr 16, 2018 20:24:52 GMT -5
..... took a class years ago.
Still not done. 😄
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Post by toiv0 on Apr 16, 2018 21:01:51 GMT -5
..... took a class years ago. Still not done. 😄 You ever make your spoon?
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Post by Pat on Apr 16, 2018 21:12:27 GMT -5
..... took a class years ago. Still not done. 😄 You ever make your spoon? Yes; however, I haven’t made one I like. Yet.
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Post by Tommy on Apr 17, 2018 14:44:16 GMT -5
Just curious how long it takes to wire wrap an average cab. If there is such a thing as average. For instance if I sliver Smith a cab with no interruptions it will be less than an hour from start to finish. That would be bezel soldered, soldered to the back plate, cut out, make a bail, set the stone and polish. No frill or extras like wire around bezel wire ect.which could add another hr. I started with learning the 'traditional' wire wrapping style posted here on the board but eventually abandoned it because there were certain steps I kept screwing up (like bending the wires north where they come together at the top) plus I had no creative juices with it and felt like I was trying to get good at copying someone else's ideas. After a period of experimentation and watching a lot of Youtube videos, Wyatt White's Soumak in particular, I started doing a prong wrap style variation of his (without the weaving). So anyway, my answer to your question would be - I do a lot of fussing and fiddling with them and just generally take my time, no rush, and each one still takes me like 2-3 hours to complete. I'm sure I'd get faster if I did more of them but I only do maybe 3-4 a year for gifts for friends and family. If I may be so bold to steal itumble4u 's image...
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 17, 2018 15:23:00 GMT -5
I can do a real simple wrap rather quickly, but I am never in a hurry when I wrap. I have spent upwards of 3 or 4 hours on a complicated wrap. Plus, there is the time to do a patina, if I do one. For selling, I count all the time involved- including sourcing, cabbing, photographing, editing and selling.
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Post by jamesp on Apr 18, 2018 5:27:40 GMT -5
I can do a real simple wrap rather quickly, but I am never in a hurry when I wrap. I have spent upwards of 3 or 4 hours on a complicated wrap. Plus, there is the time to do a patina, if I do one. For selling, I count all the time involved- including sourcing, cabbing, photographing, editing and selling. This is a mood thing for me Tela. Not wrapping but anything that has to be done with great precision. Like shaping silhouettes on glass preforms. Metal smithing. After the third one I often have to walk away as there is often an internal Jihad attacking the bodily components. Well rested, bright eyed and bushy tailed, life going my way, wife out of sight ha, media equipment out of reach, beautiful spring morning, dreaming about past romances, duties complete, etc etc. I see you mentioned sourcing. I have had 3 fairly successful businesses and all 3 were based on (almost)infinite easy-to-get (but difficult for others to get) source availability. You listed 5 demands, if you can make any 5 of those easy on yourself it sure makes life easy. Rare/hard-to-get source material can kill competition faster than anything else. Nips in bud. I have made a living recently on arranging scrap contracts(my source material for resale) with companies. Recently was glass blower's scrap. I was so happy when I dragged in the last piece of glass from a 20 year old pile of fine colored/patterned COE 96 glass from Janke Glass Studio. I have enough stock for 3 generations sitting in my back yard now. Can go sift/pick/segregate about anything I want. Now I can focus on cabbing/photos/edits/selling. Many may copy but there are not many glass blowers in the country that saved their scrap. A rare material that yields the most unusual products for years to come. Got sourcing/cabbing/photos/editing under way. Lol, selling is the honker step. Have yet to whip that one, but just getting started.
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Post by captbob on Apr 18, 2018 6:50:36 GMT -5
sub out the selling
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 18, 2018 8:31:26 GMT -5
That would pretty much be wholesale, right?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 8:32:07 GMT -5
Agreed, 40 min - 1 hour depending on the intricacy of the wire design. toiv0 If one is new at wire wrapping, it would be suggested to purchase the bezelform set. www.wirewraptemplates.com
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 18, 2018 8:53:19 GMT -5
I tossed the dice and got that. Rarely if ever use it and I have a problem with the marks being off. I got a replacement for 2 because the finishing was so bad. I should have returned them all for the off marks. Maybe I got a bad set, but I don't think they are worth what he's asking.
eta- Even though I rarely use it, the marks are fading or rubbing off. They aren't clear and dark like in the pictures.
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Post by MrP on Apr 18, 2018 9:25:26 GMT -5
jamesp You are right in saying not many glass blowers save there scrap. In the Twin Cities several glass blowers say right on there website that they reuse any broken or scrap in there projects. I called on those that didn't say anything about reuse and found that because of the cost they find a way to reuse everything. I guess you are lucky that the glass blowers in your area are so rich they can throw there scrap......................MrP
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Post by rockjunquie on Apr 18, 2018 9:36:03 GMT -5
I know what I did was different, but my company always pitched broken glass. A guy used to come around fairly often and go through the trash. He would repair the pieces and resell them. The company owner found out that the guy was practically retired on the income and had a big summer house in Fla. All from broken glass. So, the company got me to start fixing glass pieces. I had to know how to do every piece we sold and then some. It was a challenge, I'll tell ya, and I didn't retire on it.
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Post by captbob on Apr 18, 2018 10:12:32 GMT -5
That would pretty much be wholesale, right? Technically, yes. But, you are coming up with arbitrary prices for these pieces as there is nothing to precisely compare with. Easy to explain, but too much typing. Bottom line, massage the numbers to a satisfactory profit and save the selling headaches. no brainer ...
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Post by drocknut on Apr 23, 2018 18:10:28 GMT -5
I'm late to the party on this but didn't see this thread until now. In my limited experience there really isn't an "average cab" especially since I wrap mainly freeform cabs. That said, it usually takes me 1-2 hours to do a "basic" wire wrap. I probably could wrap one quicker but I don't like to rush.
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Post by 1dave on Apr 24, 2018 9:53:32 GMT -5
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Post by saxplayer on Apr 24, 2018 9:59:06 GMT -5
That takes some good hand coordination and steadiness =)
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