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Post by mohs on Jun 25, 2018 12:52:43 GMT -5
Hi All
Don’t recall this subject being posted before
Any are fire makers using flint & steel?
Any info or experience to impart?
Thanks
Ed
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Post by manofglass on Jun 25, 2018 14:08:08 GMT -5
Check YouTube.com
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Post by gemfeller on Jun 25, 2018 14:26:48 GMT -5
Ed, just google "fire starters." Flint and steel are still very much in use by campers, survivalists and others who might find themselves stranded in wilderness like airplane pilots. Or just watch a few episodes of "Naked and Afraid" to see them (along with other fire-starting methods) in action.
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Post by mohs on Jun 25, 2018 14:49:31 GMT -5
Yep --You Tube is a great source.
Because of all the recent talk of ancient man.
my imagination as been sparked
about how primitive man controlled fire .
I just used an old metal file,
that was lying around,
and the edge of Montana rock slab.
Threw a spark from that.
Haven’t tried to catch a spark on any material
Just messing around
So I was thinking of purchasing a fire starters kit.
Wondering if anybody had any suggestion ?
Thanks guys !
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Post by manofglass on Jun 25, 2018 15:42:52 GMT -5
Plus I got some chert years ago that spark when struck together I thought this strange.  It must have some sort of metallic inclusion. Iron Pyrite? Anyway I would imagine early man making rock tools if they struck 2 rocks together that sparked That must have been a further revelation... That depends is it something you want or something You need is it going to collect dust Do you really need one How about a lighter |
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Post by mohs on Jun 25, 2018 16:04:29 GMT -5
That depends is it something you want or something You need is it going to collect dust Do you really need one How about a lighter Well ya know how it is, Walt Just trying to keep the mind occupied. Keep it away from other evils Witch is easily come by. But yeah! Another hobby! Could see having stacks of striking steel, barrels charred cloth , mounds of ashes & heaps of bird nest timber material That why I just found an old metal file in my hoarded yard, and a rock. Just experimenting. My motto is: a little rock goes a long ways Anathema on the board Ha ha |
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Post by mohs on Jun 25, 2018 16:05:10 GMT -5
Plus I got some chert years ago that spark when struck together I thought this strange. It must have some sort of metallic inclusion. Iron Pyrite? Anyway I would imagine early man making rock tools if they struck 2 rocks together that sparked That must have been a further revelation... |
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Post by inbtb on Jun 25, 2018 16:32:18 GMT -5
9 volt battery and some fine steel wool.
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Post by kskid on Jun 26, 2018 0:23:04 GMT -5
Hi All Don’t recall this subject being posted before Any are fire makers using flint & steel? Any info or experience to impart? Thanks Ed Hi Ed, I'm out in the boonies alot and don't smoke, so I keep something like this as a back-up in my truck: magnesium fire starterIt can be found in many outdoor stores and was reasonably cheap. I've never had to use it, but I did practice with it to make sure I could. It's surprisingly effective and simple to use. Some have a striker on the chain; I just use the back of my knife. Slightly more fail-safe than the 9v battery given that it may sit unused and forgotten for years before you really need it. |
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Post by kskid on Jun 26, 2018 0:44:01 GMT -5
Plus I got some chert years ago that spark when struck together I thought this strange. It must have some sort of metallic inclusion. Iron Pyrite? Anyway I would imagine early man making rock tools if they struck 2 rocks together that sparked That must have been a further revelation... Also, this may be some form of piezoelectric effect. I noticed sparks from some rocks I was breaking up to tumble & noodled around on the internet for an explanation. I can't pretend to understand it fully, but it was some interesting reading. For me, that is. My wife thinks I have rocks in my head... |
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Post by pizzano on Jun 26, 2018 1:41:31 GMT -5
I doubt the "spark" was related to a "piezoelectric" occurrence since an electrical charge (source) must be present.....for example the cigarette lighter in a car or the push button spark starter on a gas BBQ are both Piezo..........each of which have a voltage source (battery) that produces the charge which ignites the spark of the piezo induced gasses...........I'm real familiar with Piezo guitar pick-ups for acoustic guitars which are also (battery) charged.........just a thought.
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Post by parfive on Jun 26, 2018 2:47:45 GMT -5
My old titanium driver would spark when it hit the planet. Orange County Fire Authority Capt. Steve Concialdi said Wednesday that the results confirm a suspicion investigators have had for years: that titanium alloy clubs were the cause of at least two blazes on area golf courses, including one that burned 25 acres at Irvine's Shady Canyon in 2010. A second fire, sparked at Arroyo Trabuco Golf Club in Mission Viejo, burned close to homes.
"The common denominator was each golfer used a titanium club, and hit the ball just out of bounds next to dry vegetation where the ground was extremely rocky," he said.
Investigators who were "laughed at" when they first floated the golf club theory have been vindicated, according to Concialdi.
Scientists painstakingly re-created in the lab course the conditions on the days of the fires. Using high-speed cameras and electron microscopes, they found that if hit upon a rock, clubs containing titanium can produce sparks of up to 3,000 degrees that will burn for more than a second, said James Earthman, a chemical engineering and materials science professor and an author of the study.
"And that gives the spark plenty of time" to ignite nearby foliage, he said. "Titanium reacts violently with both oxygen and nitrogen in the air." |
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Post by mohs on Jun 26, 2018 10:19:07 GMT -5
I'm out in the boonies alot and don't smoke, so I keep something like this as a back-up in my truck: magnesium fire starterIt can be found in many outdoor stores and was reasonably cheap. I've never had to use it, but I did practice with it to make sure I could. It's surprisingly effective and simple to use. Some have a striker on the chain; I just use the back of my knife. Slightly more fail-safe than the 9v battery given that it may sit unused and forgotten for years before you really need it. Thanks ! Magnesium fire starter. heard about it never saw a demonstration cool gadget have to put it on list |
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Post by mohs on Jun 26, 2018 10:22:37 GMT -5
the Piezo discussion is enlightening  Not sure what causes this particular chert to spark? I need to scientifically find out A project! |
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Post by quartz on Jun 26, 2018 22:55:56 GMT -5
Harbor Freight has the magnesium fire starters cheap, $1.49 in the catalog that came today.
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Post by fernwood on Jun 27, 2018 5:38:14 GMT -5
I'm out in the boonies alot and don't smoke, so I keep something like this as a back-up in my truck: magnesium fire starterIt can be found in many outdoor stores and was reasonably cheap. I've never had to use it, but I did practice with it to make sure I could. It's surprisingly effective and simple to use. Some have a striker on the chain; I just use the back of my knife. Slightly more fail-safe than the 9v battery given that it may sit unused and forgotten for years before you really need it. Thanks ! Magnesium fire starter. heard about it never saw a demonstration cool gadget have to put it on list The magnesium fire starters are $1.49 at Harbor Freight right now. Going to pick up a couple. |
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Post by Sabre52 on Jun 27, 2018 8:08:59 GMT -5
Harley ( agatemaggot) on the site here makes wonderful striking steels in his forge. Since I sit on a mountain of good flint, I often use them to show the kids how folks used to start fires. Those steels really throw off the sparks but good tinder is a must. The magnesium fire starters are much easier to use and that's what I carry in the pouch on my knife scabbard. Funny, I watch the Survivor TV show all the time and it amazes me how few folks know how to use a magnesium starter...Mel
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