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Post by woodman on Jan 20, 2020 10:30:03 GMT -5
I have been using cloudinary ever since I got it figured out. Not impressed with loading videos but still work great! maybe I need to go back and look at the presents for videos.
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thecrystalisle
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Post by thecrystalisle on Oct 7, 2020 8:48:49 GMT -5
Test picture. Works if you are NOT logged into Cloudinary, too. That's what I was checking. Someone wanna try a video? I don't have one suitable for uploading, but it should support video.  Yay!  that is GORGEOUS |
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thecrystalisle
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Post by thecrystalisle on Oct 7, 2020 9:01:13 GMT -5
 Test! |
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Tommy
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Post by Tommy on Oct 7, 2020 11:42:25 GMT -5
Test! Good job figuring this out! It's admittedly not easy and a lot of people struggle with it. What follows is for anyone and everyone who is interested in a brief history refresher  of why it seems Cloudinary is the "chosen one" here. We inherited this Proboards.com software forum from the folks who created it in or around 2002-2003. Sadly, Proboards.com software does not offer adequate photo hosting. The only built in photo hosting available thru the software is IMPOSSIBLY limited and extremely expensive - to the tune of approx. $100 a month. I would gladly pay the subscription, and we did for a year, but all that gets us is 4-gigs max space which we filled up in less than a year. After the space is full and not accepting any new attachments, if you don't continue to pay the subscription the uploaded photos disappear. With the above being the "root cause" we have searched for alternatives - most folks used 3rd party host PhotoBucket for many years until they went rogue and practically broke the internet when they stopped allowing hot-linking and held everyone's photos for ransom. We are still dealing with the fallout from that several years later. This is why I am quick to point out that anyone using a 3rd party host please check the TOS of the provider because if they don't allow hot linking then it's as easy as flipping a switch and they can make all of your hot linked photos disappear. Imgur is an example of what I just said - they specifically state in their TOS that they do NOT allow hot linking and warn folks not to do it. Enter Cloudinary ... Cloudinary is an extremely 'techie' file hosting site that most of us would not try to deal with if easier options were available. The differences is, and why we're using it is, someone who is active in the Proboards community wrote an extension (add-on) that adds features on a Proboards forum that directly connects the member to their Cloudinary account including drag and drop capability which is wonderful. A new install of the Proboards software forum does not have these features - after years of frustrations as described above - I found and installed the Cloudinary extension on this board and now here we are. Is it a pain in the butt to set up? Yes. Is it entirely possible that Cloudinary could suddenly scrap the "free" plan and hold our posts hostage like PhotoBucket did? Absolutely. When Proboards software rolls to the next version (V6) that they've been working on for several years will it break the Cloudinary extension? Almost certainly, but hopefully temporary until the extension writer releases an update. Will Proboards V6 fix the inadequate photo hosting system by offering unlimited storage at a reasonable cost, making it so we don't need Cloudinary, or Imgur, or Flickr, or any other 3rd party host? I certainly hope so but there has been no indication that any such fix is coming so for now we muddle on. |
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thecrystalisle
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Post by thecrystalisle on Oct 7, 2020 11:57:07 GMT -5
Thank you admin Tommy for the info |
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pizzano
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Post by pizzano on Oct 7, 2020 12:44:35 GMT -5
Tommy.....:
"Imgur is an example of what I just said - they specifically state in their TOS that they do NOT allow hot linking and warn folks not to do it."
Having been both a Photobucket and Imgur free and or otherwise paid subscription user for quite a few years, the problems eluded to, related to loss of transfer access, exceeded file storage limits and cost prohibited usage, are certainly a reality with both services.
That said, I and other's I work with have never had the glaring "Photobucket" issues common with that service.....not with Imgur at least. I'll preference that with also stating many of us used their "free hot link" service for quite sometime without incidence before switching to a paid account in-order to better utilize their tools for work applications.
So, even, as you've pointed out, their TOS reflects a warning........it most likely relates to any "free" application, as to not have to defend or otherwise COA when they are accused of "not being friendly" as you have, on more than one occasion, so gently reminded........lol
Just a Thought
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Post by mohs on Oct 7, 2020 13:00:22 GMT -5
never messed with that upload button just manually insert the pictures from cloudianry guess I'll have to try it I like cloudinary a lot had very little hassle setting it up and couple years hassle free if everything went as smooth ha things are rough all over  i persevere ...mostly especially this rockart shaping / grinding  |
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Post by Tommy on Oct 7, 2020 16:47:41 GMT -5
So, even, as you've pointed out, their TOS reflects a warning........it most likely relates to any "free" application, as to not have to defend or otherwise COA when they are accused of "not being friendly" as you have, on more than one occasion, so gently reminded........lol Honestly I can't make sense out of what you were getting at - but - maybe the reason I have accused the Imgur TOS of "not being friendly..." is because the actual verbiage of the Imgur TOS is not friendly?  In case it's not clear why I recommend against linking to Imgur allow me to once again post a quote from THEIR website TOS page. Also, don't use Imgur to host image libraries you link to from elsewhere, content for your website, advertising, avatars, or anything else that turns us into your content delivery network. If you do – and we will be the judge – or if you do anything illegal, in addition to any other legal rights we may have, we will ban you along with the site you're hotlinking from, delete all your images, report you to the authorities if necessary, and prevent you from viewing any images hosted on Imgur.com. We mean it.You are welcome to assume they mean the free account but I'm not with you on that. Regardless, it's not worth getting in a pissing contest over. Hosting photos/videos/etc. on Imgur and linking to them in posts on this forum is never going to be recommended by me due to the nature of the above quoted TOS. I'm sure millions of people are doing it with zero issues. Photobucket is never going to be recommended as a 3rd party host on this forum period due to the sudden devastating stunt they pulled in suddenly blocking millions (billions?) of hot-link-displayed photos all over the internet world-wide, breaking content everywhere including forums and blogs and websites etc. I have not banned the use of either service but I'm not ever going to publicly recommend either one. |
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Post by pizzano on Oct 7, 2020 17:24:21 GMT -5
Tommy......no harm done.
I completely understand your reasoning.......however, up until recently, RTH's photo storing capacity and tool application devices left much to be desired. Thus, the overwhelming numbers of members that resorted to 3rd party applications........until that blew up............Now, that the Cloudinary provides more flexibility and web storage space, with a little learning curve, it seems to work quite well......it's about time.......lol
As for free.......meant to be best described as "no fees or out of pocket $$$ expense with limited application and storage facility"......you get what you pay for (maybe). That's why I and my bud's who ran a website, always recommended "paying" for a service rather than relying on "free" applications.......that obviously was before the Photobucket types took a turn for the worse.......If one operates a home business to include a marketing or research detail or has the ability carry over an existing business account for the purposes self indulgence, the cost for a 3rd party can be absorbed in some fashion.......and quite handy.......that's what I and many still do.......just an easier transition for many of us.
Related to any TOS........you know as well as I do that they are put in place to COA.....cover other's ass's (assets) mainly their own.......lol........this site has one like everybody else.........and I'm scared to death of it........lol
Nice chat Tommy........you and your crew do a great job here.....it's a pleasure being here....!
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Post by rockpickerforever on Oct 7, 2020 17:34:47 GMT -5
I will never forgive PB for what they did. I still have beaucoup broken photo links from them. Jerks. Placing the almighty dollar above the people using their services.
Imgur has given fair warning that you are not to use them for third party hosting. Don't do it! The more you do it, the more likely they are to do something about it. You may get away with it a time or two, or for five years, even, but they will eventually catch you and put an abrupt end to it. I know what it is like to have numerous photos that you have uploaded and posted links to become inaccessible to you.
I love Cloudinary! It is free, and so easy to use. How can anyone complain about that? Just reduce the size of your photos before uploading, best size to view on this forum is 600 pixels wide, computer screen or smart phones. I think you can even downsize them once they are there, but I prefer to use Photoshop Elements on my home desktop computer first. Who takes perfect pictures? I'm sure just about every photo can stand to have some cropping, lightening, sharpening done before you present it to the world. I have never even come close to using my allotted FREE storage space, nor my broadband usage.
I still have and use my Flickr account, some nominal amount per year for PRO. Great for keeping photos of pets, family, rockhounding or camping trips together. You can post links to individual photos on this forum and other blogs, or share folders with friends.
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Post by 1dave on Nov 6, 2020 11:46:40 GMT -5
I seldom use the upload button. When Microsoft abandoned Paint some wonderful people appropriated the tattered remnants, enhanced - and now offer it free!  I use it multiple times each day!     After the photobucket disaster I only used Pinterest. With trepidation I gave Cloudinary a bit of a go.  Oh oh  I've already used 7% of my present quota! It is easy to select any uploaded image for posting.
And uploading batches is a snap!
 Dare I try their add-ons icon_think
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Post by 1dave on Nov 7, 2020 8:49:52 GMT -5
3-4 months ago Cloudinary added the ability to save images to folders. Last month I sent a message to the developers thanking them for their efforts, and mentioned how much I appreciated the ProBoards allowing sub-sub-sub-folders. Already they have implemented this ability! Just click on a folder and click on the + ! I haven't found a way to move images from one folder to another, si it is best to set up your folders before beginning uploading.  |
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Yay!
of why it seems Cloudinary is the "chosen one" here. 
I've already used 7% of my present quota!
and the donkey goes before the cart 
