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Post by beefjello on Sept 2, 2018 17:53:51 GMT -5
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Post by mohs on Sept 2, 2018 18:13:26 GMT -5
Ha ha Brian there are still a few rocks left out in the yard but its getting harder
you'll find it if it there !
its really interesting a few years ago I saw meteor fall east of the the 143 toward Tempe I know it scattered and hit the ground at least I felt it did guess the light trail can be deceiving though....
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Post by vegasjames on Sept 2, 2018 18:54:07 GMT -5
Great find. Once it is classified he should be able to get quite a bit of money for it. Value will depend in part on the classification. But if that is the total find that increases the value as does being a US fall and the crust still being on it.
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Post by MsAli on Sept 2, 2018 20:42:44 GMT -5
What an awesome find!
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Post by beefjello on Sept 10, 2018 19:20:04 GMT -5
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Post by pizzano on Sept 10, 2018 20:55:51 GMT -5
I post this attachment "tongue and cheek".........confirmed falls vary in evaluation as well as the process and "experts" who perform the evaluations......hope those who view this find some of the humor.......but there is a very serious side to the attachment.....:
meteorite-identification.com/streak.html
Click the various included links......to further ones scope of interest.
I have a licensed geologist friend who is a "space rock" hunter...........he's traveled extensively to chase down "confirmed" JPL observations......for over 35yrs, he's only found 3 actual pieces....2 Iron and 1 Stoney..........no moon or mars.......but the stoney is worth a bundle.
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Post by vegasjames on Sept 11, 2018 17:42:46 GMT -5
I post this attachment "tongue and cheek".........confirmed falls vary in evaluation as well as the process and "experts" who perform the evaluations......hope those who view this find some of the humor.......but there is a very serious side to the attachment.....:
meteorite-identification.com/streak.html
Click the various included links......to further ones scope of interest.
I have a licensed geologist friend who is a "space rock" hunter...........he's traveled extensively to chase down "confirmed" JPL observations......for over 35yrs, he's only found 3 actual pieces....2 Iron and 1 Stoney..........no moon or mars.......but the stoney is worth a bundle.
Value of meteorites depend on a variety of factors. Classification, rarity/total known weight, location found, special characteristics such as regmaglypts or flow lines, fusion crust and if it hits an object or animal (known as hammers). Then there is simply demand . Some pieces of new observed falls have gone for a lot of money just because people are eager to get a piece of a new fall. For example there was a rumor that a lady found a walnut sized piece of a newly fallen carbonaceous chondrite and was offered $2,000 per gram for it, which is the most I have ever heard for one. Generally the most expensive meteorites, such as some martian and lunar meteorites run around $1,000 per gram.
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Post by pizzano on Sept 11, 2018 18:24:31 GMT -5
Ya James..........The Stoney my buddy has was valued at over $10 grand.........I only know he found it some place in Colorado several years ago and it has traces of nickel/iron, mostly molten rock. He's never brushed it or removed the material cover. He knows his geology and has researched this extensively, but mostly a lab rat who rockhounds in his spare time. I see him a couple times a year at geotech seminars........ otherwise, he's moved to Colorado and we stay in touch via e-mail correspondence. Next time I either see him or hear from him I'll ask more about that "nest egg"............
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Post by vegasjames on Sept 11, 2018 18:43:01 GMT -5
Ya James..........The Stoney my buddy has was valued at over $10 grand.........I only know he found it some place in Colorado several years ago and it has traces of nickel/iron, mostly molten rock. He's never brushed it or removed the material cover. He knows his geology and has researched this extensively, but mostly a lab rat who rockhounds in his spare time. I see him a couple times a year at geotech seminars........ otherwise, he's moved to Colorado and we stay in touch via e-mail correspondence. Next time I either see him or hear from him I'll ask more about that "nest egg"............ Keep in mind size as well. A 2,000 gram meteorite at $5/gram would be $10,000. Or a 10 gram martian meteorite at $1,000/gram is $10,000. I knew someone who had a howardite the size of my first that wad $75,000 so they can get very expensive. But again depends on many variables including how many grams and price per gram. Imagine what the guys who found the Old Woman meteorite would have gotten if it was not confiscated by the government. Even at $1 a gram they could have retired.
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Post by NRG on Sept 12, 2018 20:58:48 GMT -5
Imagine what the guys who found the Old Woman meteorite would have gotten if it was not confiscated by the government. Even at $1 a gram they could have retired. Under what theory does the government/Smithsonian claim ownership? That's crazee
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Post by vegasjames on Sept 13, 2018 1:00:08 GMT -5
Imagine what the guys who found the Old Woman meteorite would have gotten if it was not confiscated by the government. Even at $1 a gram they could have retired. Under what theory does the government/Smithsonian claim ownership? That's crazee I agree. The Federal government never legally obtained this land to begin with. So under their own laws they still do not own this land since title cannot be transferred by someone who does not own the land to begin with.
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Post by NRG on Sept 13, 2018 9:38:45 GMT -5
Under what theory does the government/Smithsonian claim ownership? That's crazee I agree. The Federal government never legally obtained this land to begin with. So under their own laws they still do not own this land since title cannot be transferred by someone who does not own the land to begin with. Forgetting all that historical stuff, if you or I found 100# meteorite out there, we would bring it home and own it. Would the government have the right to come confiscate it? I don't think so.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 13, 2018 11:54:40 GMT -5
Imagine what the guys who found the Old Woman meteorite would have gotten if it was not confiscated by the government. Even at $1 a gram they could have retired. Under what theory does the government/Smithsonian claim ownership? That's crazee If I found one, you can bet your ass that I'd keep it! Any way I can see some rightfully confiscating a found meteor is if it was found on their own personal property, that they pay taxes on. Or has the government passed some laws making it illegal to own them, such as a dinosaur skeleton?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 12:43:36 GMT -5
If I found one, you can bet your ass that I'd keep it! Any way I can see some rightfully confiscating a found meteor is if it was found on their own personal property, that they pay taxes on. Or has the government passed some laws making it illegal to own them, such as a dinosaur skeleton? Nothing has changed. If found on your personal property in the US (assuming that you own the subsurface rights), you do own it. If found on a property you rent, the land owner owns it. If found on property owned by the city, county, state or federal government, the city, county, state or federal government owns it. Just because a person manages to snatch a piece of dinnerware off a White House sideboard and take it home, doesn't make it theirs. Some federal agencies allow hobby collecting of small meteorites, but for people collecting lots of material, people collecting for resale, etc., requires a permit. In addition, the Smithsonian has first refusal on any scientifically significant meteorite found on public lands. The "Old Woman" meteorite was found on federal land. The finders then filed a claim on the land where it was found and claimed ownership of the meteorite. Unfortunately for them, meteorites are covered by the Antiquities Act (same as for dino bones and other items of scientific interest), and are not locatable mineral deposits under US mining law.
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Post by NRG on Sept 13, 2018 14:34:19 GMT -5
If I found one, you can bet your ass that I'd keep it! Any way I can see some rightfully confiscating a found meteor is if it was found on their own personal property, that they pay taxes on. Or has the government passed some laws making it illegal to own them, such as a dinosaur skeleton? Nothing has changed. If found on your personal property in the US (assuming that you own the subsurface rights), you do own it. If found on a property you rent, the land owner owns it. If found on property owned by the city, county, state or federal government, the city, county, state or federal government owns it. Just because a person manages to snatch a piece of dinnerware off a White House sideboard and take it home, doesn't make it theirs. Some federal agencies allow hobby collecting of small meteorites, but for people collecting lots of material, people collecting for resale, etc., requires a permit. In addition, the Smithsonian has first refusal on any scientifically significant meteorite found on public lands. The "Old Woman" meteorite was found on federal land. The finders then filed a claim on the land where it was found and claimed ownership of the meteorite. Unfortunately for them, meteorites are covered by the Antiquities Act (same as for dino bones and other items of scientific interest), and are not locatable mineral deposits under US mining law. Thanks for this. The antiquities act huh? Who'da thunk it? Its clear by filing the claim they knew the laws. Good to know. I'll just bring it home somehow. Quietly. Lol
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Post by vegasjames on Sept 13, 2018 20:38:04 GMT -5
I agree. The Federal government never legally obtained this land to begin with. So under their own laws they still do not own this land since title cannot be transferred by someone who does not own the land to begin with. Forgetting all that historical stuff, if you or I found 100# meteorite out there, we would bring it home and own it. Would the government have the right to come confiscate it? I don't think so. Ownership is deemed as being the person for who "owns" the property. If on land the government claims to own then they will take it if they find out about it. If small and not worth much then they won't bother.
There was a case back East where a meteorite hit a doctor's office and all sorts of people tried to lay claim on ownership ending up in a Court battle just like what happened in the case of the Old Woman meteorite:
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Post by vegasjames on Sept 13, 2018 20:40:06 GMT -5
Under what theory does the government/Smithsonian claim ownership? That's crazee If I found one, you can bet your ass that I'd keep it! Any way I can see some rightfully confiscating a found meteor is if it was found on their own personal property, that they pay taxes on. Or has the government passed some laws making it illegal to own them, such as a dinosaur skeleton? Just make sure you "find" it on your or a friend's property. If you take a pic of the find make sure your GPS is turned off on your phone so the coordinates are not recorded with the photo.
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Post by vegasjames on Sept 13, 2018 20:42:17 GMT -5
If I found one, you can bet your ass that I'd keep it! Any way I can see some rightfully confiscating a found meteor is if it was found on their own personal property, that they pay taxes on. Or has the government passed some laws making it illegal to own them, such as a dinosaur skeleton? Nothing has changed. If found on your personal property in the US (assuming that you own the subsurface rights), you do own it. If found on a property you rent, the land owner owns it. If found on property owned by the city, county, state or federal government, the city, county, state or federal government owns it. Just because a person manages to snatch a piece of dinnerware off a White House sideboard and take it home, doesn't make it theirs. Some federal agencies allow hobby collecting of small meteorites, but for people collecting lots of material, people collecting for resale, etc., requires a permit. In addition, the Smithsonian has first refusal on any scientifically significant meteorite found on public lands. The "Old Woman" meteorite was found on federal land. The finders then filed a claim on the land where it was found and claimed ownership of the meteorite. Unfortunately for them, meteorites are covered by the Antiquities Act (same as for dino bones and other items of scientific interest), and are not locatable mineral deposits under US mining law. Yes, and in some counties such as Australia and Canada any meteorite found on those lands belong to the government and cannot be sold without a permit from them.
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Post by vegasjames on Sept 13, 2018 20:45:28 GMT -5
Nothing has changed. If found on your personal property in the US (assuming that you own the subsurface rights), you do own it. If found on a property you rent, the land owner owns it. If found on property owned by the city, county, state or federal government, the city, county, state or federal government owns it. Just because a person manages to snatch a piece of dinnerware off a White House sideboard and take it home, doesn't make it theirs. Some federal agencies allow hobby collecting of small meteorites, but for people collecting lots of material, people collecting for resale, etc., requires a permit. In addition, the Smithsonian has first refusal on any scientifically significant meteorite found on public lands. The "Old Woman" meteorite was found on federal land. The finders then filed a claim on the land where it was found and claimed ownership of the meteorite. Unfortunately for them, meteorites are covered by the Antiquities Act (same as for dino bones and other items of scientific interest), and are not locatable mineral deposits under US mining law. Thanks for this. The antiquities act huh? Who'da thunk it? Its clear by filing the claim they knew the laws. Good to know. I'll just bring it home somehow. Quietly. Lol The government has gone crazy with the Antiquities act ever expanding it to cover so many things. Even old bottles over 50 years old now fall under the Antiquities act. I am surprised they have not included stones yet. It is all about their greed. Even here at Lake Mead if you drop your keys in the water by accident you are no longer allowed to recover your own keys. You have to contact the Park Service and they have to send out their divers to recover the keys and you have to pay for it.
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