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Post by TheRock on Sept 15, 2018 15:52:51 GMT -5
I have a Cab King 8" and just got it going this last week but it seems like it is very slow and is not removing much material. Could the wheels be the problem? What's this Sintered Wheel Business ans are they really that much better? Anyone have any wheels that work good for them that work and last? Whats the best.  |
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Post by Pat on Sept 15, 2018 15:57:07 GMT -5
sinteted wheels have deeply embedded diamonds in them. Better than other type. Costly.
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Post by pauls on Sept 15, 2018 17:14:47 GMT -5
What Pat said.
Plated wheels are just that, a thin plating of Nickel? with only a single thin layer of diamond embedded in it. Once the diamonds are worn thats the end of the wheel, you can extend the life a little by reversing the wheel but it only lasts a short time.
Sintered is a thick layer, about quarter inch thick of bronze? embedded with diamond, the wheels are very expensive but last and last and keep on lasting, as a layer of diamond wears out fresh new diamond is exposed. The only problem could be if you manage to wear a groove or a bump in the wheel you will be stuck with it, but this doesn't happen normally unless the wheel is subjected to a lot of abuse.
Double or triple or more, the cost of a plated wheel but tens of times the life.
Run them at the recommended speed too, slow speeds cause wheels to get bumpy.
Well worth the investment, six inch wheels are a bit cheaper get one of them to try it out. You wont go back to plated, probably will never need to buy another wheel.
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Post by parfive on Sept 15, 2018 17:24:54 GMT -5
. . . but it seems like it is very slow and is not removing much material. Wouldn’t hurt if you mentioned what grit starts your grind. |
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Post by TheRock on Sept 15, 2018 18:16:11 GMT -5
. . . but it seems like it is very slow and is not removing much material. Wouldn’t hurt if you mentioned what grit starts your grind. The Coarse one I think 80 Grit!  |
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Post by TheRock on Sept 15, 2018 18:20:08 GMT -5
What Pat said. Plated wheels are just that, a thin plating of Nickel? with only a single thin layer of diamond embedded in it. Once the diamonds are worn thats the end of the wheel, you can extend the life a little by reversing the wheel but it only lasts a short time. Sintered is a thick layer, about quarter inch thick of bronze? embedded with diamond, the wheels are very expensive but last and last and keep on lasting, as a layer of diamond wears out fresh new diamond is exposed. The only problem could be if you manage to wear a groove or a bump in the wheel you will be stuck with it, but this doesn't happen normally unless the wheel is subjected to a lot of abuse. Double or triple or more, the cost of a plated wheel but tens of times the life. Run them at the recommended speed too, slow speeds cause wheels to get bumpy. Well worth the investment, six inch wheels are a bit cheaper get one of them to try it out. You wont go back to plated, probably will never need to buy another wheel. Well as I recall the E-Mail PM you sent me awhile back looks like I am learning the hard way So who sells Sintered Wheels for a good price? I have an 8" Machine. |
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Post by TheRock on Sept 15, 2018 18:31:20 GMT -5
sinteted wheels have deeply embedded diamonds in them. Better than other type. Costly. I can see you all S-M-I-L-I-N-G cause you all know the ROCK GODS are fixing to take a BITE out of OLE DUKE'S ARSE! Damn What's another 1.5K? So wipe that <GRIN> off yer faces!  |
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Post by HankRocks on Sept 15, 2018 19:02:46 GMT -5
What Pat said. Plated wheels are just that, a thin plating of Nickel? with only a single thin layer of diamond embedded in it. Once the diamonds are worn thats the end of the wheel, you can extend the life a little by reversing the wheel but it only lasts a short time. Sintered is a thick layer, about quarter inch thick of bronze? embedded with diamond, the wheels are very expensive but last and last and keep on lasting, as a layer of diamond wears out fresh new diamond is exposed. The only problem could be if you manage to wear a groove or a bump in the wheel you will be stuck with it, but this doesn't happen normally unless the wheel is subjected to a lot of abuse. Double or triple or more, the cost of a plated wheel but tens of times the life. Run them at the recommended speed too, slow speeds cause wheels to get bumpy. Well worth the investment, six inch wheels are a bit cheaper get one of them to try it out. You wont go back to plated, probably will never need to buy another wheel. Next question, Does the sintered wheel cut better, or just last longer? If it just that it lasts longer then it needs to last at least 3 to 4 times longer to justify the extra money. I use a non-sintered wheel, 100 grit, to grind my preforms. Been using it for almost 2 years and it still does the job. It does struggle with the Montana or the Brazilian. |
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Post by stardiamond on Sept 15, 2018 19:24:18 GMT -5
When wheels are cutting too slow, they should be replaced. A new good quality wheel from jadecarver will last for some time and is not expensive. You would need to ask yourself if you are cutting enough to justify the expense of a sintered wheel.
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Post by TheRock on Sept 15, 2018 19:41:33 GMT -5
When wheels are cutting too slow, they should be replaced. A new good quality wheel from jadecarver will last for some time and is not expensive. You would need to ask yourself if you are cutting enough to justify the expense of a sintered wheel. Funny you should Mention jadecarver. I just spoke to David Clayton the owner this week and he does not sell Sintered stuff except in his BURRS. I have asked myself that question already and if something has a thin coat of Diamonds sounds like its cheap and I don't want it. Everyone has to learn and no doubt I always learn the hard way! |
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 15, 2018 20:05:08 GMT -5
When wheels are cutting too slow, they should be replaced. A new good quality wheel from jadecarver will last for some time and is not expensive. You would need to ask yourself if you are cutting enough to justify the expense of a sintered wheel. Funny you should Mention jadecarver. I just spoke to David Clayton the owner this week and he does not sell Sintered stuff except in his BURRS. I have asked myself that question already and if something has a thin coat of Diamonds sounds like its cheap and I don;t want it. Everyone has to learn and no doubt I always learn the hard way! I wouldn't call them cheap, Duke. They are just differently manufactured.  I really don't mind my DP plated wheels. I went with Johnson Bros for a cheaper price and regretted it. DP really is better. Do they last as long as sintered? No, but I wouldn't call them a cheap product. I guess it depends on how much you can drop at a time for wheels. I probably couldn't afford the sintered wheels, so the plated ones work well for me. |
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Post by stardiamond on Sept 15, 2018 20:07:32 GMT -5
Having used many dp galaxy and jadecarver wheels, they are the same in quality.
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Post by Pat on Sept 15, 2018 20:09:32 GMT -5
Agree with Tela. I have DP on my Genie, but have never had any others. If I were a real dedicated cabber, I’d go for the sintered.
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 15, 2018 20:10:08 GMT -5
Having used many dp galaxy and jadecarver wheels, they are the same in quality. Not knocking Jadecarver. Never used them. I'm just saying DP has some good plated wheels. |
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Post by pauls on Sept 15, 2018 20:12:46 GMT -5
What Pat said. Plated wheels are just that, a thin plating of Nickel? with only a single thin layer of diamond embedded in it. Once the diamonds are worn thats the end of the wheel, you can extend the life a little by reversing the wheel but it only lasts a short time. Sintered is a thick layer, about quarter inch thick of bronze? embedded with diamond, the wheels are very expensive but last and last and keep on lasting, as a layer of diamond wears out fresh new diamond is exposed. The only problem could be if you manage to wear a groove or a bump in the wheel you will be stuck with it, but this doesn't happen normally unless the wheel is subjected to a lot of abuse. Double or triple or more, the cost of a plated wheel but tens of times the life. Run them at the recommended speed too, slow speeds cause wheels to get bumpy. Well worth the investment, six inch wheels are a bit cheaper get one of them to try it out. You wont go back to plated, probably will never need to buy another wheel. Next question, Does the sintered wheel cut better, or just last longer? If it just that it lasts longer then it needs to last at least 3 to 4 times longer to justify the extra money. I use a non-sintered wheel, 100 grit, to grind my preforms. Been using it for almost 2 years and it still does the job. It does struggle with the Montana or the Brazilian. You know how a new wheel cuts the very first time you use it? That's how a sintered wheel cuts all of the time. It will last a lot more than 3 or 4 times longer, compare a plated wheel with a few thousandths of an inch of diamond on it to a sintered with about a quarter of an inch thickness of diamond. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 15, 2018 20:25:53 GMT -5
Just looked around real quick at sintered wheels. Inland has a good price. (nevermind- wrong place) Everyone says go up a grit from your usual plated wheel. So, I would be looking for a 100 grit to replace 80. I have to give this some thought for next round. I can't stand a slow wheel. I generally replace before I need to just because it gets too slow for my liking.
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Post by TheRock on Sept 15, 2018 20:59:07 GMT -5
Funny you should Mention jadecarver. I just spoke to David Clayton the owner this week and he does not sell Sintered stuff except in his BURRS. I have asked myself that question already and if something has a thin coat of Diamonds sounds like its cheap and I don;t want it. Everyone has to learn and no doubt I always learn the hard way! I wouldn't call them cheap, Duke. They are just differently manufactured. I really don't mind my DP plated wheels. I went with Johnson Bros for a cheaper price and regretted it. DP really is better. Do they last as long as sintered? No, but I wouldn't call them a cheap product. I guess it depends on how much you can drop at a time for wheels. I probably couldn't afford the sintered wheels, so the plated ones work well for me. I really didn't mean to come off that way, so I recant that. I can see now after it being explained to me how 3/16" of diamond material will outlast a coated jobbie. So I can understand the concept |
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Post by stardiamond on Sept 15, 2018 20:59:32 GMT -5
Having used many dp galaxy and jadecarver wheels, they are the same in quality. Not knocking Jadecarver. Never used them. I'm just saying DP has some good plated wheels. An 8 inch 80 grit plastic core wheel is $135. The DP goes for $190 on ebay. The 6 inch currently on his site is only steel core which is heavier and I wouldn't put it on a genie. My stardiamond machine can handle the steel core, but the plastic core is less money, weighs about the same as the DP. According to jadecarver the steel core might rotate truer, but use is about the same. There is a local show coming up and I expect him to be selling there. He's about 10 miles from me. I bought from on ebay years ago and once at the show. DP galaxy is the standard for hard wheels. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 15, 2018 21:02:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't call them cheap, Duke. They are just differently manufactured. I really don't mind my DP plated wheels. I went with Johnson Bros for a cheaper price and regretted it. DP really is better. Do they last as long as sintered? No, but I wouldn't call them a cheap product. I guess it depends on how much you can drop at a time for wheels. I probably couldn't afford the sintered wheels, so the plated ones work well for me. I really didn't mean to come off that way, so I recant that. I can see now after it being explained to me how 3/16" of diamond material will outlast a coated jobbie. So I can understand the concept It's all good. I just wanted to point out that it ain't apples and apples. They are different. I'm gonna look into getting a 100g sintered when I need to replace mine. I'm really hard on my 80 and probably go through that one faster than any other. Besides, when it slows down, it drives me crazy! |
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Post by parfive on Sept 15, 2018 21:45:23 GMT -5
New cabbin’ machine . . . new wheels . . . but slower than expected.
I’m thinkin’ maybe new operator just gotta get a feel for the game.
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I really don't mind my DP plated wheels. I went with Johnson Bros for a cheaper price and regretted it. DP really is better. Do they last as long as sintered? No, but I wouldn't call them a cheap product. I guess it depends on how much you can drop at a time for wheels. I probably couldn't afford the sintered wheels, so the plated ones work well for me.
