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Post by Tommy on Sept 23, 2018 11:48:55 GMT -5
So some may have read this thread where I was pointing out a smoking hot deal on an 8" Crystalring, 220 grit wheel. No sooner did I post about it then I ran back and bought it. Well it arrived yesterday and it is NOT an 8" wheel... it's a 6" wheel  So the dilemma is... the Ebay seller is not a lapidary seller and the wheel is a one-off for them. Returning it is the only option - exchanging it for the real one is not an option because again, they are not a lapidary seller. So... to return it or not to return it. Instead of a $350 wheel bought for $108 it's actually a $250 wheel bought for $108. I'm leaning towards keeping it and using it BUT currently my 8" 220 metal wheel is situated next to my 8" 60 grit wheel. If I moved the 6" next door to the 8" it's gonna be a knuckle grinding adventure. My only other option is to put it on my big machine and lose one of my nova wheels. Taking off the 140 Nova would be OK though because I've literally phased out that wheel and haven't put a stone on it on over a year. The reason I've kept it on the machine is for balance. On that machine I've got four 6" Nova wheels on the left and three 8" Nova wheels on the right. Taking off the light weight 140 and putting on the new metal 220 creates an imbalance especially in the end of shaft position where the 140 resides. I know I'm way overthinking this. My wife thinks I should just list the new 6" Crystalring on Ebay for a higher price but still a good deal for someone who needs a 6" If I do that however I'm back at square one and I know I won't spend $350 on an 8" Crystalring 220. |
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Post by MsAli on Sept 23, 2018 12:36:00 GMT -5
Well here is what I would do
If I could use it. I would keep it, however, I would ask for a partial refund as it didnt meet description. Granted they are not a lapidary seller, but it is still a mistake on thier part.
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Post by Pat on Sept 23, 2018 12:40:29 GMT -5
Agree with Ali. 6” is not 8” even if you aren’t a lapidary person. Either a full refund is in order if you return it, or a partial refund if you keep it.
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 23, 2018 12:52:28 GMT -5
I agree with the ladies. I would be pretty pissed and I'd return it, but if I could use it, I would ask for some money back. And, if I were going to list it on ebay, as Eva suggested, I think it would be easier on you to list it here first.
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Post by Dr DG on Sept 23, 2018 12:52:32 GMT -5
I would just return it, just because he sold the wrong item.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 14:31:32 GMT -5
I'd leave a brief note to the seller noting the discrepancy, just in case somebody else bought a 6" and received the 8" I'd ordered. If the seller offers some remedy, fine. Unless I suspected that I had been shipped the wrong wheel by mistake, I guess I'd be inclined to auction it with a start bid of $170 and apply the profit toward an 8" - might be less hassle than shipping back for a full refund or trying to negotiate a partial refund.
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Post by Tommy on Sept 23, 2018 15:00:14 GMT -5
... I think it would be easier on you to list it here first. Haha but now y'all know what I paid for it! I can't very well raise the price enough to make it worth selling. Tell you what, if I keep it and DON'T end up using it within a reasonable amount of time I'll auction it off here. |
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Post by Tommy on Sept 23, 2018 15:04:57 GMT -5
I'd leave a brief note to the seller noting the discrepancy, just in case somebody else bought a 6" and received the 8" I'd ordered. If the seller offers some remedy, fine. Unless I suspected that I had been shipped the wrong wheel by mistake, I guess I'd be inclined to auction it with a start bid of $170 and apply the profit toward an 8" - might be less hassle than shipping back for a full refund or trying to negotiate a partial refund. Too funny - this is pretty much exactly what Eva suggested too - contact them and tell them about the problem and just see what they say. If returning it is the only remedy then sell it listed at $175 and buy the one I want. The problem is this was an impulse buy and I'm not in the right mindset to pony up the balance towards getting the 8" at this time and I know myself I'd probably end up doing without. My existing 8" 220 wheel is not totally dead but it's getting there and starting to rust through the diamond layer in places. |
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Post by zekesman on Sept 25, 2018 11:24:43 GMT -5
Tommy You forget most of us are pretty old. Wait a month and no one will remember what you paid for it. Also what you paid for it really has no bearing on what it is worth. If you can sell it, make a profit and save someone a little everyone should be happy. Vic
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Post by Tommy on Sept 25, 2018 12:00:48 GMT -5
Tommy You forget most of us are pretty old. Wait a month and no one will remember what you paid for it. Also what you paid for it really has no bearing on what it is worth. If you can sell it, make a profit and save someone a little everyone should be happy. Vic Hahaha I totally overlooked that. Thanks for the laugh. Update - as expected the seller does not have the 8" to send me and offered a return label. I replied with a brief explanation of the major cost difference between 8" and 6" and asked for a partial refund to keep the wheel. We'll see what they say - I'll probably keep it either way but it can't hurt to ask. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 13:02:45 GMT -5
Tommy You forget most of us are pretty old. Wait a month and no one will remember what you paid for it. Paid for what? |
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Post by NRG on Sept 25, 2018 14:10:56 GMT -5
I dont think our members are against you making a few bucks.
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Post by goatgrinder on Sept 25, 2018 15:36:45 GMT -5
Hey now, somewhere in your genetic line lived a group of serious horse traders. I'd put in on the trades page and maybe get something even better than a partial refund (from a non lap dealer). It's all about the adventure.
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Post by stardiamond on Oct 11, 2018 15:27:02 GMT -5
I picked up a couple of these on ebay years ago. Still in the boxes. I can use the 6 inch on my Genie but do most of my cutting on my eight inch machine. I put them on the selling section and never got any interest.
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Post by toiv0 on Oct 11, 2018 16:16:23 GMT -5
How is putting it on the end of a shaft going to cause an imbalance? Different weight on the shafts shouldn't make a difference., only if its out of round. jamesp The two shafts are probably just one so it actually has 2 bearing on the ishaft. Think as you are applying pressure when grinding on the last wheel. It is equivalent of weight hanging on end. |
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Post by Tommy on Oct 11, 2018 18:49:07 GMT -5
How is putting it on the end of a shaft going to cause an imbalance? Imbalance was the wrong word - overload was what I meant and I should have explained what I meant. This is a home made machine with a 1" steel shaft and when I first started using it four years or so ago I went nuts and loaded it up with eight 8" wheels including two metal wheels on one end. There was plenty of room for the wheels but it turns out not enough horsepower from the motor, and I could stop the wheels with just a moderate amount of pressure. I cut it back to six 8" Nova wheels and it ran great for a couple of years - then I went with three 8" Novas on the right and four 6" Novas on the left and it runs fine like that for a couple more years now. I was just worried unnecessarily about returning to the overloaded state I took it too before. Currently I have taken off the 140 Nova and installed this new wheel and it's doing fine - so yeah, there was nothing to worry about. |
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Post by NRG on Oct 25, 2018 10:53:31 GMT -5
How is putting it on the end of a shaft going to cause an imbalance? Imbalance was the wrong word - overload was what I meant and I should have explained what I meant. This is a home made machine with a 1" steel shaft and when I first started using it four years or so ago I went nuts and loaded it up with eight 8" wheels including two metal wheels on one end. There was plenty of room for the wheels but it turns out not enough horsepower from the motor, and I could stop the wheels with just a moderate amount of pressure. I cut it back to six 8" Nova wheels and it ran great for a couple of years - then I went with three 8" Novas on the right and four 6" Novas on the left and it runs fine like that for a couple more years now. I was just worried unnecessarily about returning to the overloaded state I took it too before. Currently I have taken off the 140 Nova and installed this new wheel and it's doing fine - so yeah, there was nothing to worry about. Sounds underpowered not overloaded. All that mass should have helped the slowing with inertia. Did you also change motor? |
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Post by Tommy on Oct 25, 2018 11:16:28 GMT -5
Sounds underpowered not overloaded. All that mass should have helped the slowing with inertia. Did you also change motor? potAto potAHto tomAto tomAHto...  It overloaded the underpowered motor  No same motor. I had a better motor waiting in the wings for if/when that one failed but I ended up using it on my other grinder rebuild project. |
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Post by NRG on Oct 25, 2018 11:19:21 GMT -5
Lol
I just meant that the added weight (once up to speed) should help not hurt.
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Post by Tommy on Oct 25, 2018 14:29:46 GMT -5
Lol I just meant that the added weight (once up to speed) should help not hurt. 🍅 Have a great day brother! Back atcha. Another part I failed to articulate is with that load of wheels the motor had difficulty pulling it up to full speed. When it got there it was easier to stop than I liked dealing with because when I was a youngster in the hobby (five years ago) I used to put a LOT of pressure on the wheels. If a little pressure is good a lot of pressure is gooder, right? |
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It overloaded the underpowered motor 
