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Post by oregon on Oct 5, 2018 10:59:25 GMT -5
One day in 120/220 and 2 days in 500 in the lot-o tumbler. I will be going one more day in 500 and 2 days in polish still but I thought the results after day 2 in 500 were pretty incredible. Any particular reason from the 'normal' recipe deviation?
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Oct 5, 2018 12:23:54 GMT -5
One day in 120/220 and 2 days in 500 in the lot-o tumbler. I will be going one more day in 500 and 2 days in polish still but I thought the results after day 2 in 500 were pretty incredible. Any particular reason from the 'normal' recipe deviation? Normal recipe is a relative term. Not sure what the question is. The difference between this and the way I would normally tumble agate halves is that I want these to have natural backs and sides not smooth and flawless. The other goal is to remove as little material as possible due to the value. The video was taken after a quick check at the 2 day mark in 500 but the batch will continue through polish before I call them done. The complete process is 6 days 120/220 for 24 hrs 500 for 72 hrs polish 48 hrs Chuck
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Post by TheRock on Oct 5, 2018 19:15:04 GMT -5
That looks great, Chuck. I’m used to the rocks looking good after a couple days in the Lot-O, but that one looks even better than usual. Does the cavity get ground down at all in the Lot-O? Ceramics certainly go in there, but without much pressure on them. I haven’t really done anything I cannot think of with a large hole like that. Thanks Rob- The inside is certainly shiny but in a matter of minutes there are small ceramics lodged in all of those voids. I have a heavy duty dental pick that I use to get them out. Clean outs on these are a bit of a chore but worth it. Chuck Very Nice Chuck, You guys answered my Question I was going to ask do you use any ceramic media? Your last reply answered that. Thanks
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Oct 5, 2018 19:19:18 GMT -5
Thanks Rob- The inside is certainly shiny but in a matter of minutes there are small ceramics lodged in all of those voids. I have a heavy duty dental pick that I use to get them out. Clean outs on these are a bit of a chore but worth it. Chuck Very Nice Chuck, You guys answered my Question I was going to ask do you use any ceramic media? Your last reply answered that. Thanks Thanks- I also made a separate post to further answer that question. forum.rocktumblinghobby.com/thread/84924/crystal-pockets-tumbled-rocksChuck
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Post by oregon on Oct 5, 2018 19:46:26 GMT -5
Any particular reason from the 'normal' recipe deviation? Normal recipe is a relative term. The complete process is 6 days 120/220 for 24 hrs 500 for 72 hrs polish 48 hrs The video makes them look already finished. Was just curious why not 48hrs in 500, and 48hrs in 1000 then polish?
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Oct 5, 2018 20:01:00 GMT -5
Normal recipe is a relative term. The complete process is 6 days 120/220 for 24 hrs 500 for 72 hrs polish 48 hrs The video makes them look already finished. Was just curious why not 48hrs in 500, and 48hrs in 1000 then polish? No need for 1000 on a load of agates in the loto. The 500 breaks down to around 1500 by the third day. Clean outs on rocks with a natural exterior and crystal pockets are time consuming so not doing the 1000 also saves some hassle. Chuck
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Post by TheRock on Oct 6, 2018 14:59:56 GMT -5
Any particular reason from the 'normal' recipe deviation? Normal recipe is a relative term. Not sure what the question is. The difference between this and the way I would normally tumble agate halves is that I want these to have natural backs and sides not smooth and flawless. The other goal is to remove as little material as possible due to the value. The video was taken after a quick check at the 2 day mark in 500 but the batch will continue through polish before I call them done. The complete process is 6 days 120/220 for 24 hrs 500 for 72 hrs polish 48 hrs Chuck Chuck sent me that recipie "Thank You" and I have been thinking about the recipe, And maybe will tweak it a little. You start out with 500 Grit AO and run it 4 days that reduces it to 4,000 and then go to .3 micron 85,000 grit that's a wide spread. I think you should move from 4,000 Grit 4 day 500 grit and then go to 1.5 micron 13,000 run it 2 days to be 52,000 after two days go to the .3 micron 85,000 it just keeps the spacing of the grit stages a lil closer and for special tumbles that may be needed Chuck you seem to have used that recipe alot what do you think? Thanks ~Duke
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Post by Jugglerguy on Oct 6, 2018 16:56:14 GMT -5
Normal recipe is a relative term. Not sure what the question is. The difference between this and the way I would normally tumble agate halves is that I want these to have natural backs and sides not smooth and flawless. The other goal is to remove as little material as possible due to the value. The video was taken after a quick check at the 2 day mark in 500 but the batch will continue through polish before I call them done. The complete process is 6 days 120/220 for 24 hrs 500 for 72 hrs polish 48 hrs Chuck Chuck sent me that recipie "Thank You" and I have been thinking about the recipe, And maybe will tweak it a little. You start out with 500 Grit AO and run it 4 days that reduces it to 4,000 and then go to .3 micron 85,000 grit that's a wide spread. I think you should move from 4,000 Grit 4 day 500 grit and then go to 1.5 micron 13,000 run it 2 days to be 52,000 after two days go to the .3 micron 85,000 it just keeps the spacing of the grit stages a lil closer and for special tumbles that may be needed Chuck you seem to have used that recipe alot what do you think? Thanks ~Duke Hey Duke, Drummond Island is one of the best tumblers on this board. He and I and several others have used the same basic recipe for quite a few years. Several of us have even won the Worldwide tumbling contest with this recipe. There is no need to make improvements to it. Just use it as is a few times and you’ll see that it just works for most materials.
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Post by beefjello on Oct 6, 2018 17:30:05 GMT -5
Beautiful polish on a gorgeous agate, suhhhweeeet!!
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Post by TheRock on Oct 6, 2018 20:09:54 GMT -5
What I was asking Was if it would make the recipe even better by adding a 1.5 micron step in between the 4day 500 stage and the .3 micron stage. Just wonder if it has been tried. nad if it would give any improvement? Yes its hard to make rocks look better than Chucks but I was just wondering.
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Oct 6, 2018 21:07:12 GMT -5
What I was asking Was if it would make the recipe even better by adding a 1.5 micron step in between the 4day 500 stage and the .3 micron stage. Just wonder if it has been tried. nad if it would give any improvement? Yes its hard to make rocks look better than Chucks but I was just wondering. Adding steps or running steps longer most of the time will not hurt anything. With experience you will find there are rocks and situations where running less time and less steps are better. Rocks that undercut for instance. The longer you run them in any step the more damage can be done. The recipe we use is just a tried and true proven recipe that provides consistent results on the widest variety of rocks. I just posted a video of a batch that finished today with no 1000 step and no burnish. I could have ran 1000 and I could have burnished and I could have used polish that cost 10X as much money but I guarantee the results would not have been any better. This is a specialty batch and my goal all along was to get them to a high polish with as little stock removal possible and with the least amount of tedious clean outs. Chuck
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Post by TheRock on Oct 6, 2018 21:28:55 GMT -5
What I was asking Was if it would make the recipe even better by adding a 1.5 micron step in between the 4day 500 stage and the .3 micron stage. Just wonder if it has been tried. nad if it would give any improvement? Yes its hard to make rocks look better than Chucks but I was just wondering. Adding steps or running steps longer most of the time will not hurt anything. With experience you will find there are rocks and situations where running less time and less steps are better. Rocks that undercut for instance. The longer you run them in any step the more damage can be done. The recipe we use is just a tried and true proven recipe that provides consistent results on the widest variety of rocks. I just posted a video of a batch that finished today with no 1000 step and no burnish. I could have ran 1000 and I could have burnished and I could have used polish that cost 10X as much money but I guarantee the results would not have been any better. This is a specialty batch and my goal all along was to get them to a high polish with as little stock removal possible and with the least amount of tedious clean outs. Chuck I have three batches in the 2nd day of the 500 stage (2) Lot O's with softies 5 mohs rocks and a UV-18 full of the Brad De-Pitted rocks, will stick close to the recipe as it is tried and proven to work. Down the road I will tweak it a little more and see if it makes any difference. Thanks Chuck
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