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Post by TheRock on Oct 12, 2018 3:54:32 GMT -5
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braat
spending too much on rocks
Member since December 2016
Posts: 350
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Post by braat on Oct 12, 2018 7:59:01 GMT -5
Nice setup...If it was mine it wouldn't be anywheres near as clean What do you do with all your finished rocks?
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Fossilman
Cave Dweller
Member since January 2009
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Post by Fossilman on Oct 12, 2018 9:33:59 GMT -5
Nice way to keep track... I use a college rule notebook...
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Oct 12, 2018 10:07:56 GMT -5
Back when I first got started I made a very similar log because I thought it would be helpful to know how long batches of certain types of rocks took. Within the first year I realized time was irrelevant and that 10 percent of tiger eye is ready in 2 weeks and 10 percent of tiger eye is ready in ten weeks and the other 80 percent falling in the middle. For the last 6 years I have pretty much followed the chart below to a "T". I know what I need to do by what day it is. My stage one clean out and sorting is time consuming and a pain in the butt so Saturday is the only day that I can do that. Everything else falls into place around that clean out. If you are doing stage one clean outs on multiple days of the week or running more or less then 7 days the log will come in handy for sure. My quick math tells me you are going to have to figure out what to do with at least 300-400 pounds of finished rock each year based on the stage one rotary capacity you have. A Uv-18 and two loto-s running 24-7 would kick out close to 1,000 pounds of finished goods per year based on 12 pounds in the uv-18 and 3 pounds in each lot-0 (ceramics make up the rest). This describes a good 90 percent of my tumbles. Chuck
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Post by miket on Oct 12, 2018 10:53:48 GMT -5
So organized...
Nice.
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Post by TheRock on Oct 12, 2018 11:41:11 GMT -5
Nice setup...If it was mine it wouldn't be anywheres near as clean What do you do with all your finished rocks? My Wife and I Etch Glass Actually I Do The Graphics And She Does The Etching. She Is Getting into Jewelry So She Will Sell The Rocks And Make Jewelry Out Of Em.
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Post by TheRock on Oct 12, 2018 11:49:40 GMT -5
This describes a good 90 percent of my tumbles. Chuck I Also have a log in excel for each tumbler I can save the pages and transfer them to a nice typed version like you have "Looks alot better" I haven't decided yet I gotta tell ya Chuck I am BLOWN AWAY with the resultsn of the recipe you E-mailed me! I mean WoW Some Pics by end of weekend! I may not tumble through winter because of wash outs my garage is De-attached from house. Water hose freeze etc etc. SUCKS
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Post by johnw on Oct 12, 2018 12:01:35 GMT -5
After Several months of Tumbling using sticky notes I decided to make a sheet on Microsoft Excel that could be small yet large enough to use in the Lapidary shop. I made it to fit a 6X9 Clipboard. This log can fit two Logs on a standard 8 1/2 x 11 sheet of paper and is two sided so once folded in half provides 4 sheets. Each log has 33 lines 132 total that gives Date, Description, Tumbler, Grit. Each sheet of paper should provide a year of entry's for each tumbler. I have 8 tumblers working right now (4) thumler B's (2) Lot O's 1 Diamond Pacific 40T and a UV-18. So I might Log a thumler as Thum (1) (2) (3) or (4). The Clipboard is available from Amazon for 12.95 for 6 of them or from your local office supply store. Here is a picture of the sheet, Clipboard, and my Lap Shop with clipboards at each tumbler. I dont know how to upload the excel file so I may have to Email it. AMAZON LINK >>> www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07535CVZK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 If you need the log PM me your E-Mail Addy I am guessing you can swing more than a cat in that area, LOL. Hat's off on on a nice set-up. Seems as though you are following in the Japanese principal of 5S workplace management being: (seiri, seiton, seiso, seiketsu, and shitsuke.). These have been translated as "Sort", "Set In order", "Shine", "Standardize" and "Sustain"......Awesome, I knew I had seen such a set up before........so who is your main supplier of rocks? Cheers, johnw
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Post by TheRock on Oct 12, 2018 13:07:39 GMT -5
I am guessing you can swing more than a cat in that area, LOL. Hat's off on on a nice set-up. Seems as though you are following in the Japanese principal of 5S workplace management being: (seiri, seiton, seiso, seiketsu, and shitsuke.). These have been translated as "Sort", "Set In order", "Shine", "Standardize" and "Sustain"......Awesome, I knew I had seen such a set up before........so who is your main supplier of rocks? Cheers, johnw Well so far if you weigh the shelving unit I have setup that will hold 1800 lbs of rock rough it is being filled by me, friends, and what I have purchased I am getting quite a collection. It is cozy in there but after a year I have done alot of work but have kept it clean. I mean it could always use a good sweeping but if you keep it cleaned up its not so bad. I guess it comes from being in business as an HVAC contractor and working in peoples houses cleaning up after yourself is a must. Most People demand that and its just part of being in the HVAC buisness years ago. Working for myself early on in my working career was alot different than working for County Government the last 25 years of my life. Organization makes production go easier. Been busy with the label gun the past week.
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Post by aDave on Oct 12, 2018 18:00:24 GMT -5
Bob TheRock and Chuck Drummond Island Rocks , thanks for reminding me why I only run a QT66 for coarse and, at most, two other 45C's for finish work at the same time. A piece of masking tape with the date is placed in front of each of those tumblers any time I do a cleanout. Finish barrels are individually labeled for their respective stages, so I don't even need to note grit size. Since everything is based upon one week intervals, I don't even have to think about it.
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Post by TheRock on Oct 12, 2018 18:12:54 GMT -5
aDave That's the Problem with CITY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES They Hate Paperwork!
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Post by johnw on Oct 12, 2018 19:28:13 GMT -5
I am guessing you can swing more than a cat in that area, LOL. Hat's off on on a nice set-up. Seems as though you are following in the Japanese principal of 5S workplace management being: (seiri, seiton, seiso, seiketsu, and shitsuke.). These have been translated as "Sort", "Set In order", "Shine", "Standardize" and "Sustain"......Awesome, I knew I had seen such a set up before........so who is your main supplier of rocks? Cheers, johnw Well so far if you weigh the shelving unit I have setup that will hold 1800 lbs of rock rough it is being filled by me, friends, and what I have purchased I am getting quite a collection. It is cozy in there but after a year I have done alot of work but have kept it clean. I mean it could always use a good sweeping but if you keep it cleaned up its not so bad. I guess it comes from being in business as an HVAC contractor and working in peoples houses cleaning up after yourself is a must. Most People demand that and its just part of being in the HVAC buisness years ago. Working for myself early on in my working career was alot different than working for County Government the last 25 years of my life. Organization makes production go easier. Been busy with the label gun the past week. TheRock, small world, I was in the HVAC business for over twenty five years ramping up Carrier factories in Asia. I worked for Carrier International Asia, (CIA) out of Singapore but was assigned for most of my time to Mainland China. I then freelanced throughout Asia working for several organizations including Kyocera out of Japan, so clearly recognize your work ethic. Superb job in the organization of your work area and identifying the items you use. As my friends in Japan would say "everything has it's place and everything is in its place", and clearly you have done that! Congratulations on a job well done. You would certainly pass ISO 9002, and I would give you a 9 out of 10 on a 5S walk about. BTW, I did a micro walk thru of your shop and did not see a designated place for the broom. That's why the 9 out of 10 score. LOL.....Cheers, johnw Just a quick follow up after the micro walk thru. From an ergonomics point of view, why would you want to heft the Thumler B barrel over the motor towards you, when, if the machine was reversed you could just flip it off/on the rollers? I did not see an area behind the machines that allows for removal in the manner I described. Save the back strain. In any event, really a remarkable set up. BTW, if you look at my humble workshop, the one in which a cat cannot be swung, I sorta followed the 5s principal but nowhere near to the extent you have done and err, mmm, well, do have a place for the broom. Cheers, johnw
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Post by TheRock on Oct 12, 2018 20:11:33 GMT -5
TheRock, small world, I was in the HVAC business for over twenty five years ramping up Carrier factories in Asia. I worked for Carrier International Asia, (CIA) out of Singapore but was assigned for most of my time to Mainland China. I then freelanced throughout Asia working for several organizations including Kyocera out of Japan, so clearly recognize your work ethic. Superb job in the organization of your work area and identifying the items you use. As my friends in Japan would say "everything has it's place and everything is in its place", and clearly you have done that! Congratulations on a job well done. You would certainly pass ISO 9002, and I would give you a 9 out of 10 on a 5S walk about. BTW, I did a micro walk thru of your shop and did not see a designated place for the broom. That's why the 9 out of 10 score. LOL.....Cheers, johnw Well Ill be Damn John....... I have been an HVAC buisness for 40 years and a Licensed Contractor for Since 1982 or 36 years 11 of which I was a Carrier Dealer and Purchased from T.E.C. Temperature Equipment Corporation out of Chicago. I Switched Hats and got a County Government Job As Jail Maintenance Supervisor At the Biggest Hotel In The County and Chased a Pension. The last 25 Years of my working Career and Damn glad I did Cause the Economy went in the Shitter as you know. (That Wasn't Just A Job But An Adventure) I worked On Commercial Equipment Early On As I was in the Advance Electronics Program in the Navy. I found electrical troubleshooting the easy part of my Job. But I was residential light commercial when I ran my own business because of size. I found it more rewarding as long as people paid their bills. Now Your going to have to trust me on this at 5:49 sec into this Video there is a Broom, Dust Pan, And Vacuum Sweeper in the Grey Cabinet to the Left of The Diamond Pacific 40-T.
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Post by johnw on Oct 12, 2018 21:02:16 GMT -5
TheRock, small world, I was in the HVAC business for over twenty five years ramping up Carrier factories in Asia. I worked for Carrier International Asia, (CIA) out of Singapore but was assigned for most of my time to Mainland China. I then freelanced throughout Asia working for several organizations including Kyocera out of Japan, so clearly recognize your work ethic. Superb job in the organization of your work area and identifying the items you use. As my friends in Japan would say "everything has it's place and everything is in its place", and clearly you have done that! Congratulations on a job well done. You would certainly pass ISO 9002, and I would give you a 9 out of 10 on a 5S walk about. BTW, I did a micro walk thru of your shop and did not see a designated place for the broom. That's why the 9 out of 10 score. LOL.....Cheers, johnw Well Ill be Damn John....... I have been an HVAC buisness for 40 years and a Licensed Contractor for Since 1982 or 36 years 11 of which I was a Carrier Dealer and Purchased from T.E.C. Temperature Equipment Corporation out of Chicago. I Switched Hats and got a County Government Job As Jail Maintenance Supervisor At the Biggest Hotel In The County and Chased a Pension. The last 25 Years of my working Career and Damn glad I did Cause the Economy went in the Shitter as you know. (That Wasn't Just A Job But An Adventure) I worked On Commercial Equipment Early On As I was in the Advance Electronics Program in the Navy. I found electrical troubleshooting the easy part of my Job. But I was residential light commercial when I ran my own business because of size. I found it more rewarding as long as people paid their bills. Now Your going to have to trust me on this at 5:49 sec into this Video there is a Broom, Dust Pan, And Vacuum Sweeper in the Grey Cabinet to the Left of The Diamond Pacific 40-T. Duke, yes, it is indeed a small world we live in we are kindred spirits. Ok, OK, so it was a great video and I did see the cupboard so I will change my 5S score, its now 10/10. So one more question, well sort of, if you look at my thread, Big Rock Tumble Progress, under Rock Tumbling, you'll see I had to build a ramp to get the 65T barrel up so I could just flip the barrel over the roller. Yep, it does weigh 130 pounds. I tried hefting it twice and my EH&S training kicked in as a small voice said "hey stupid, build a ramp and save yer back". So I did. This brings me to my question. You have a 40T working in your shop with a capacity rating of 40 pounds and 4 gallons volume , sitting on a bench, waist high. So how do you get the barrel from the bench to the floor? Two man lift or do you heft it yourself? Really Duke, I am enviable of your set up and will now go out to Home Depot and buy a label maker. All my best, johnw.
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Post by TheRock on Oct 12, 2018 22:15:05 GMT -5
You have a 40T working in your shop with a capacity rating of 40 pounds and 4 gallons volume , sitting on a bench, waist high. So how do you get the barrel from the bench to the floor? Two man lift or do you heft it yourself? Really Duke, I am enviable of your set up and will now go out to Home Depot and buy a label maker. All my best, johnw. Shawn from TRS Told me the 40-T is more like 65 Lbs And The 65-T Is 90 Lbs, Mine feels More Than 40LBS I Lift It By Myself And Carry it all the way outside when I do a Wash out! Yeah I hate it but its gotta be Done! You should have seen me before I had a Stroke Last Year July 13th. Oh I almost forgot, I was having low back Pain and went to the Chiropractor and when he jacked my Neck he Ruptured an Artery It of course bled and the clot went to my brain I laid in The Hospital for 26 days. Went to therapy for 4 months and got alot back except it left me with CPS >> rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/5161/central-pain-syndrome My face feels like there is Ice Water running down it 24/7 My left hand and arm feels Ice Cold all the time there is no cure. That's how I got into this last year. It gets me off my Arse. As Andy Dufrain The Greatest RockHound of all Said On the Movie SawShank get busy living or get busy Dyeing. I think Ill do the living PART! I used to Bench 350 in High School The Neurologist Said to me Last Year Chiropractors Don't know chit from apple butter and my back is Jacked and I lived a Hard Life. I told him Have ya heard the Ole Saying Hard Work Never hurt anybody? He Said Yes. And I said It Will KILL YOU! I used to tear those furnces out myself Im paing for it now! I just had a MRI done the other day to see what can be done with my back prolly not lifting that Barrel might help among everything else I do. My Strength is Good But I get tired easy.
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Post by johnw on Oct 12, 2018 23:10:17 GMT -5
Really Duke, I am enviable of your set up and will now go out to Home Depot and buy a label maker. All my best, johnw. Shawn from TRS Told me the 40-T is more like 65 Lbs And The 65-T Is 90 Lbs, Mine feels More Than 40LBS I Lift It By Myself And Carry it all the way outside when I do a Wash out! Yeah I hate it but its gotta be Done! You should have seen me before I had a Stroke Last Year July 13th. Oh I almost forgot, I was having low back Pain and went to the Chiropractor and when he jacked my Neck he Ruptured an Artery It of course bled and the clot went to my brain I laid in The Hospital for 26 days. Went to therapy for 4 months and got alot back except it left me with CPS >> rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/5161/central-pain-syndrome My face feels like there is Ice Water running down it 24/7 My left hand and arm feels Ice Cold all the time there is no cure. That's how I got into this last year. It gets me off my Arse. As Andy Dufrain The Greatest RockHound of all Said On the Movie SawShank get busy living or get busy Dyeing. I think Ill do the living PART! I used to Bench 350 in High School The Neurologist Said to me Last Year Chiropractors Don't know chit from apple butter and my back is Jacked and I lived a Hard Life. I told him Have ya heard the Ole Saying Hard Work Never hurt anybody? He Said Yes. And I said It Will KILL YOU! I used to tear those furnces out myself Im paing for it now! I just had a MRI done the other day to see what can be done with my back prolly not lifting that Barrel might help among everything else I do. My Strength is Good But I get tired easy. Duke, wow, quite a story. Sooooooo, quit hefting the barrel, relocate it to a lower level or get a cart so you can just roll it off. You never answered my question about hefting the Thumler B barrel over the motors towards you as opposed to rolling em' off. Seems you are your own worst enemy. Listen to your body. We all ain't Superman anymore. Urahhhh. BTW, Arse is an English expression, tell me you are not a descendent of someone from Old Blighty. Final comment for now, do yourself a favor and conduct a walkabout in your shop, put your ergonomic and EH&S hat on and make notes as to what you can do to the placement of equipment and supplies to avoid anything that will cause a back strain. Just a thought. Cheers, johnw
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Post by TheRock on Oct 13, 2018 0:13:59 GMT -5
No I horse the Thumler B's up and over and set them on the Harbor Freight Tile Saw behind me. I also carry them and Dump them Outside I need to get me a Harbor Freight small cart and take the tile saw outta there store it somewhere else. That will save a bunch of carrying at least Yeah I am no doubt my own worst enemy but a rolling table will help at least.
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