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Post by NRG on Oct 18, 2018 10:53:03 GMT -5
stephanYou are spot on with death penalty. The statement I referred to was "make dope legal and make every 10th dose lethal".... That is murder plain and simple.
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Post by rockpickerforever on Oct 18, 2018 11:39:23 GMT -5
stephan You are spot on with death penalty. The statement I referred to was "make dope legal and make every 10th dose lethal".... That is murder plain and simple.
I neither stand by or denounce the statement. I guess that is just the way he feels.
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Post by NRG on Oct 20, 2018 15:27:09 GMT -5
Canada just legalized Cannabis and pardoned 💯% of those with Cannabis related crimes.
Congratulations to our Canadian friends.
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Post by 1dave on Oct 20, 2018 20:10:06 GMT -5
Few people belong in prison.
Those that are a danger to society should immediately be removed from the planet.
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Post by Mark K on Oct 20, 2018 21:51:46 GMT -5
As a prison officer who is still undergoing treatment for injuries sustained in responding to a staff assault on Aug 17, I completely agree.
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Post by johnw on Oct 21, 2018 0:13:16 GMT -5
Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines and China, do it right the first time. They catch anyone with or dealing drugs it is a mandatory death penalty with no reprieve. Typically they get hung, but China shoots them in the back of the head and the family pays for the bullet. I was in Singapore in the late eighties and two Aussies were caught, each had a joint. They were thrown in the local jail and sentenced to death by hanging. The Premier of Australia flew to Singapore to plead with Lee Quan Yew, the Prime Minister of Singapore for their release. Lee Quan Yew's comment, "they came to our country and broke the drug law". They were hung the following day. I was in Shanghai in 1991 and heard the shot being fired at a public execution in the prison behind the Iron Bridge on the Bunde. In both cases the executions were highly publicized as a warning to the citizens and foreigners for dealing or having drugs. Brutal yeah, but it's one hell of a deterrent.
So the notion of private prisons is an absolute abomination thrust upon us by the people who run them for profit and the officials they have in their pocket. johnw
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Post by HankRocks on Oct 21, 2018 6:44:40 GMT -5
Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines and China, do it right the first time. They catch anyone with or dealing drugs it is a mandatory death penalty with no reprieve. Typically they get hung, but China shoots them in the back of the head and the family pays for the bullet. I was in Singapore in the late eighties and two Aussies were caught, each had a joint. They were thrown in the local jail and sentenced to death by hanging. The Premier of Australia flew to Singapore to plead with Lee Quan Yew, the Prime Minister of Singapore for their release. Lee Quan Yew's comment, "they came to our country and broke the drug law". They were hung the following day. I was in Shanghai in 1991 and heard the shot being fired at a public execution in the prison behind the Iron Bridge on the Bunde. In both cases the executions were highly publicized as a warning to the citizens and foreigners for dealing or having drugs. Brutal yeah, but it's one hell of a deterrent. So the notion of private prisons is an absolute abomination thrust upon us by the people who run them for profit and the officials they have in their pocket. johnw It sounds nice to have a system of instant punishment for Drug offenses, or any offenses for that matter. Ask yourself this, do really want to live in a country where justice is administered by the government without any due process. I don't think there is a government in the world I would trust to do this. The opportunities for abuse are off the scale. Also keep in mind that your post and mine for that matter would not be tolerated in several of those countries. We would be seen as critizing the government and this whole Forum would be shut down and we could end up in some "re-education" center. Not a country I care to live in. I could not find any reference to the Two Aussies executed for a single joint in Singapore. My belief is that whatever a person(s) do(es) behind closed doors, is their business. As long it does not involve hurting anyone else or risk the safety of others then I don't care. It should not be my or the governments concern. It seems that people would be better served if the government would focus on areas that serve the general population, education, health care, etc.
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Post by 1dave on Oct 21, 2018 7:42:20 GMT -5
The abuse is also off the scale allowing criminals to run free. Might makes right.
Perhaps it is a good idea to allow druggies to just do their thing until they die, but they end up harming others to support their "needs."
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Post by HankRocks on Oct 21, 2018 8:23:51 GMT -5
It does seem that the best path lies somewhere between complete anarchy and a completely totalitarian society. I would do not want to live in either. Striking a balance between the two is the hard part.
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Post by NRG on Oct 21, 2018 9:48:32 GMT -5
I don't believe in cruel and unusual punishment but I don't think giving dangerous prisoners like Charles Manson anything more pleasant than a cot and three hots a day makes sense. Punishments for the prison guards that brought him cell phones would be a good start. And yes, prisoners don't need cable TV and all the other amenities. Save libraries. I think they should have libraries full of trade skill (machinist, welder, pipefitter, electrician) text books and old school novels.
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Post by NRG on Oct 21, 2018 9:50:36 GMT -5
The abuse is also off the scale allowing criminals to run free. Might makes right. Perhaps it is a good idea to allow druggies to just do their thing until they die, but they end up harming others to support their "needs." If it was legal it would be affordable. No need to crimes against others.
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Post by NRG on Oct 21, 2018 9:54:43 GMT -5
It does seem that the best path lies somewhere between complete anarchy and a completely totalitarian society. I would do not want to live in either. Striking a balance between the two is the hard part. Agreed! Small government to provide for public order and safety (including prisons), infrastructure, and that's about it. Stay out if folks personal experiences and choices. If one finds a mushroom in a field near their house, they might wanna have a try at exploring their consciousness. Why does anybody else give a rats patootie?
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Post by 1dave on Oct 21, 2018 10:00:19 GMT -5
It does seem that the best path lies somewhere between complete anarchy and a completely totalitarian society. I would do not want to live in either. Striking a balance between the two is the hard part. Agreed! Small government to provide for public order and safety (including prisons), infrastructure, and that's about it. Stay out if folks personal experiences and choices. If one finds a mushroom in a field near their house, they might wanna have a try at exploring their consciousness. Why does anybody else give a rats patootie? Disagree! Once they lose self control it always ends up hurting other people - like the truck driver that ended up chopping off the arms of the girl he was raping.
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Post by NRG on Oct 21, 2018 10:13:58 GMT -5
Agreed! Small government to provide for public order and safety (including prisons), infrastructure, and that's about it. Stay out if folks personal experiences and choices. If one finds a mushroom in a field near their house, they might wanna have a try at exploring their consciousness. Why does anybody else give a rats patootie? Disagree! Once they lose self control it always ends up hurting other people - like the truck driver that ended up chopping off the arms of the girl he was raping. Speaking in absolutes is absolutely not a good idea. Kind sir, you just compared mayhem and rape to someone uses drugs for fun. I'm glad math proves your statement "always" incorrect. If your statement were correct there would be millions of rapes and dismemberments. I'm thankful this isn't true.
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Post by johnw on Oct 21, 2018 12:52:45 GMT -5
Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines and China, do it right the first time. They catch anyone with or dealing drugs it is a mandatory death penalty with no reprieve. Typically they get hung, but China shoots them in the back of the head and the family pays for the bullet. I was in Singapore in the late eighties and two Aussies were caught, each had a joint. They were thrown in the local jail and sentenced to death by hanging. The Premier of Australia flew to Singapore to plead with Lee Quan Yew, the Prime Minister of Singapore for their release. Lee Quan Yew's comment, "they came to our country and broke the drug law". They were hung the following day. I was in Shanghai in 1991 and heard the shot being fired at a public execution in the prison behind the Iron Bridge on the Bunde. In both cases the executions were highly publicized as a warning to the citizens and foreigners for dealing or having drugs. Brutal yeah, but it's one hell of a deterrent. So the notion of private prisons is an absolute abomination thrust upon us by the people who run them for profit and the officials they have in their pocket. johnw It sounds nice to have a system of instant punishment for Drug offenses, or any offenses for that matter. Ask yourself this, do really want to live in a country where justice is administered by the government without any due process. I don't think there is a government in the world I would trust to do this. The opportunities for abuse are off the scale. Also keep in mind that your post and mine for that matter would not be tolerated in several of those countries. We would be seen as critizing the government and this whole Forum would be shut down and we could end up in some "re-education" center. Not a country I care to live in. I could not find any reference to the Two Aussies executed for a single joint in Singapore. My belief is that whatever a person(s) do(es) behind closed doors, is their business. As long it does not involve hurting anyone else or risk the safety of others then I don't care. It should not be my or the governments concern. It seems that people would be better served if the government would focus on areas that serve the general population, education, health care, etc. HankRocks: Apologies, my error, it was Malaysia. I was stationed in Singapore. The prime minister of Malaysia was Dr.Mahathir and what he said was correct. The Premier of Australia was Bob Hawke. Also, it was heroin, not a joint. The point however was made. It was drugs they died for. Here is the reference, check it out. "The Barlow and Chambers executions were the hangings in 1986 by Malaysia of two Westerners, Kevin John Barlow (Australian and British) and Brian Geoffrey Shergold Chambers (Australian) of Perth, Western Australia". Cheers, johnw
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Post by 1dave on Oct 21, 2018 14:08:32 GMT -5
Disagree! Once they lose self control it always ends up hurting other people - like the truck driver that ended up chopping off the arms of the girl he was raping. Speaking in absolutes is absolutely not a good idea. Kind sir, you just compared mayhem and rape to someone uses drugs for fun. I'm glad math proves your statement "always" incorrect. If your statement were correct there would be millions of rapes and dismemberments. I'm thankful this isn't true. Once they lose self control
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Post by johnw on Oct 23, 2018 10:50:26 GMT -5
Speaking in absolutes is absolutely not a good idea. Kind sir, you just compared mayhem and rape to someone uses drugs for fun. I'm glad math proves your statement "always" incorrect. If your statement were correct there would be millions of rapes and dismemberments. I'm thankful this isn't true. Once they lose self control1dave. jeeez, this is a real downer of a thread and I want to add a slight bit of humor. For seniors, once they lose control, they need diaper protection. Cheers, johnw
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Post by arghvark on Oct 27, 2018 23:52:58 GMT -5
Druggies are right up there with liars and thieves, IMHO, as far as being a waste of resources. I feel no remorse saying that. They will never become contributing members of society. I was one of those wastes of resources who will never become a contributing member of society. Went to college, got a bachelor's degree and a master's degree in what most people consider to be a very difficult field. Taught for a few years. Went on to work in a highly technical industry for 15 years. Now I teach in a small rural college where most of the population is extremely economically disadvantaged. I'm helping people change their lives for the better. Pretty glad I wasn't executed. I'm not unique.
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Post by johnw on Oct 28, 2018 1:12:13 GMT -5
Druggies are right up there with liars and thieves, IMHO, as far as being a waste of resources. I feel no remorse saying that. They will never become contributing members of society. I was one of those wastes of resources who will never become a contributing member of society. Went to college, got a bachelor's degree and a master's degree in what most people consider to be a very difficult field. Taught for a few years. Went on to work in a highly technical industry for 15 years. Now I teach in a small rural college where most of the population is extremely economically disadvantaged. I'm helping people change their lives for the better. Pretty glad I wasn't executed. I'm not unique. There is redemption in everyone.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 28, 2018 13:31:17 GMT -5
Druggies are right up there with liars and thieves, IMHO, as far as being a waste of resources. I feel no remorse saying that. They will never become contributing members of society. I was one of those wastes of resources who will never become a contributing member of society. Went to college, got a bachelor's degree and a master's degree in what most people consider to be a very difficult field. Taught for a few years. Went on to work in a highly technical industry for 15 years. Now I teach in a small rural college where most of the population is extremely economically disadvantaged. I'm helping people change their lives for the better. Pretty glad I wasn't executed. I'm not unique. You clearly took advantage of the better resources offered to you. You sound like an amazing person and, dare I say, an exception to the rule? I know others who have bettered themselves and who have become productive citizens. Sadly, I have have known more who have not. But, I am glad you decided to post that, it just goes to show what one can do for themselves.
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