James
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Post by James on Nov 27, 2004 14:18:25 GMT -5
I know this is a rock tumbling forum, but what the hell. I decide to post these pics anyway. After all, you have people posting pics of everything from Cats to Cabs. I made this point this morning. I'm no D.C. Waldorf (greatest knapper alive) so don't expect a masterpiece. I've only been doing this for a few weeks. I've came a long way though. It ain't easy to make one of these things. Here's some pics of some of my tools, my finished point and the other half of the obsidian that I used to make this point. Here's a close-up. As you can see, there is a half way decent scar pattern. The main problem I'm having, is getting the preform thin. This point took sever hours for me to make. Thanks for looking.
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Post by sandsman1 on Nov 27, 2004 14:35:37 GMT -5
wow man thats too cool lookin james i think you did a great job on it --- so your saying that point was the same size as the other piece of obsidian-- i remember you saying there was alotta waste when you knapped a stone but dam --hahaha
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James
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Post by James on Nov 27, 2004 14:48:45 GMT -5
Hey Johnny,
Thanks! Yeah, it was about the same size as the rough piece in the pic. However, I maintained most of the length. I actually got lucky with this one. Sometimes you get a really "chunky" piece of rough and most of it gets wasted. All the flakes removed from this were smaller than a dime.
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Post by krazydiamond on Nov 27, 2004 15:36:09 GMT -5
i will be the first to admit i know nothing of knapping, but it looks like a cool thing....how do you go about it? those look like pieces of antler....is that all you use to make the chips? how did you learn how to do this, James?
is the point sharp? what are you going to do with it now?
sorry for all the stupid questions, KD
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Post by connrock on Nov 27, 2004 15:36:58 GMT -5
Looks like a pro made it to me James !! You're a very talented man!! As for posting the pic's of it let me say this. I like to think of this group as the whole bunch of us sitting in a room,helping each other ,sipping a cup of coffee,jawing and showing off our treasures. Be they our back yards,cats,dogs,jewelry or the Northern Lights,,,,,and maybe even a tumble polished rock thrown in here and there. It's what makes our group warm and special,,,,,,,, Just a bunch of friends enjoying each other's company!! Thanks,,,,,,,,,,, Tom
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Post by rockyraccoon on Nov 27, 2004 15:57:30 GMT -5
i'd be disappointed if you didn't show us! i'm very impressed james and no doubt by your own comments that you will progress quickly as you are so very hard on yourself. were you like that in school james?
i have all the questions kd has and more. can you give us a short tutorial on how this works. how long does this take? i can't get pieces off with a hammer sometimes so how in the world do you chip off pieces with those antlers? are certain types of rocks more apt to chip properly to make an arrowhead or can any type rock work? this looks like something that requires a lot of patience to me. how many have you made now? is there a standard size rock you start with to hope to produce a certain size arrowhead?
please don't think we don't want to see what you've done because it's not a tumbled stone! you can go take a pic of that dirty fountain again and i'll look ;D.
kim
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Post by Original Admin on Nov 27, 2004 16:07:20 GMT -5
Thats superb - total art James.
Its something else I've always wanted to try.
Again - total art, seems to me like you are one of those lucky people with A1 hand to eye coordination.
Much appreciated - cheers for the photos.
Andy.
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Post by sandsman1 on Nov 27, 2004 17:09:30 GMT -5
yea james i forgot to comment on that i think its cool that you are showing us a new addiction we can try with rocks hahahaha i for one would love to see your progress if you say thats just ok i cant wait to see one you think is cool ,, because i cant find anything wrong with that one hahaha---hope to see more pic's soon
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James
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Post by James on Nov 27, 2004 17:31:47 GMT -5
i'm very impressed james and no doubt by your own comments that you will progress quickly as you are so very hard on yourself. were you like that in school james? I actually erruted into laughter after I read this part. You know, I really wish I was. If I was as interested in school as much as I am in my hobbies, I'd have a much larger bank account by now. Instead, I slave away at a Weyerhaesuer paper containerboard factory. Thanks again for all the interest guys! Let me see where to begin. First of all, people have writen extensive books on this topic, so I'll try and scale it down the best I can. Tools: The Indians use primarily stone and bone tools. Hammerstones and Deer antlers where most often used. Modern knappers prefer Moose antler because they are larger. Basically there are three major types of tools. 1. Hammerstone. This is basically a river pebble or other solid quartz type stone (round or angular) used to break into large pieces of material. 2. Billet. Billets are either antler, bone or wood batons used for more accurate flake removal. 3. Pressure flaker. A pressure flaker is a pointed antler tine used for "prying" off flakes. There are also a number of other tools as well; such as punches, notching tools and wedges. The three mentioned above are the basic necessities. There are also modern tools such as copper billets, pressure flakers, nails etc... You don't want to use steel. Steel tools cause fractures and shouldn't be used. Materials: Materials for knapping range from flint, chert, jasper, agate, and petrified wood to obsidian. The best materials are flint and obsidian. Chert, agate and jasper usually need to be heat treated to make the material "knappable." Good, solid petrified (opalized) wood is often hard to come by, but requires no heat treatment. In fact heat treating would ruin it. All material must be free of fractures or it is usless! You also need a large amount of raw material in order to get a point. the point in the pic is only about 3-1/4 to 3-1/2 inches long and 1/4 inch thick! Technique: How do you turn a rough, blocky piece of stone into a sharp, thin, symmetrical point, capable of taking down a large animal? That is a hard question to answer and it would take litterally pages literature to explain. I'll do my best... First of all, you need to turn that rough block into a flat preform or "blank." You do this by setting up a series of "platforms." A platform is an angled striking area on the stone. This is essential. You cannot knock flakes off of steep or "square" surfaces! After you've setup a striking platform, use a billet to shear off flakes. Continue this pattern of platform preperation and flake removal untill the piece is down to a rough preform of the point that you're attempting to make. Another CRITICAL step in platform preperation is abrading. You use an abrading stone such as sandstone or carborundum (silicon carbide) to remove the sharp edges off your preform. If you try to strike a sharp edge, the preform will "crush." Crushing is what happens when the flake doesn't detach but rather shatters unevenly and often leaves a "hinge" or "step" fracture (Hang-up in the stone). Once you've completed your preform, you're ready for pressure flaking. This is done by prying off smaller flakes using an antler tine. You do this for your touch up work and to remove those hard to get flakes. Striking flakes off with a billet is refered to as percussion flaking. Finally, there's "notching." This is the step where (you guessed it) the notches are made on the base. This can also be done with a pressure flaker or a punch (a small antler tine, struck with a billet.) This technique is known as indirect percussion. Now, as far as what I do with my finished points, I don't know. Perhaps when I have enough of them, I'll display them in a case or picture frame. Maybe with some other authentic looking Indian artifacts. I only have a few good points so far. And believe me, there were plenty of absolute disasters!!! You know, this hobby can be a really hard one to grasp at first but just hang in there. The only way to learn is by your mistaks. You will get frustrated. You will doubt yourself. You will get impatient and ruin a few nice pieces. But just keep practicing. Like I said, I've only been doing this for a few weeks. I felt like giving up after the first day! Just hang in there. Thanks again to all who replied. I hope this little essay will help you out if you decide to take up this hobby. You'll really have to get a book and/or video on the subject though. If you're interest, go here to my buddy D.C's website. Tell him I sent you while you're at it www.moundbuilderbooks.comHey Andy, if you ever want to give knapping a try, just remember one thing. Britain is known for its superb British flint. I remember you mentioned once that there are no good rocks in Britain. There is now.
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Post by hermatite on Nov 27, 2004 17:40:30 GMT -5
wow...very cool. that takes more skill than I have, that's for sure. I remember the first time I ever saw someone flint napping...it was amazing to watch. It's sculpting really. A true art form. Good job and thanks for sharing.
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llanago
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Post by llanago on Nov 27, 2004 17:42:35 GMT -5
James, looks to me like you did an excellent job.
I don't, or should I say didn't, know a bit about knapping until your tutorial. Now I know a bit more. Interesting. Sounds really hard and time consuming to me! I think I will just stick to tumbling, my rock and wood projects and learning how to make stuff with my beads.
I have collected several good size chunks of flint with you in mind. I will take some pics of them tomorrow and send them by IM for you to take a look at.
llana
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James
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Post by James on Nov 27, 2004 18:04:54 GMT -5
Hi llana, Thanks a lot! I can't wait to see what you came up with. I'm dying to get some good material. Thanks again, James
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Post by cookie3rocks on Nov 27, 2004 21:26:18 GMT -5
Wowser, James! Great job and great tutorial. What we need now are pics in progress and pics showing how the tools are held and used. I love flint (chert) and would love to really learn how to knap it. You Da Man, James, and now you've stepped it up a notch ;D
cookie
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Post by Cher on Nov 27, 2004 21:37:52 GMT -5
Excellent job James!! I was watching some knappers when I was at the rock show I went to last fall. NONE of them were using the antler's, they all had some kind of tool with metal on it. I asked about it and one told me he does have the "real tools" like the native American's used but this guy has some kind of disability so the modern tools are easier for him to use. I didn't ask any of the others. I'll tell you what though, it's really an amazing process and if you ever get to watch someone doing it, stick around for awhile and take it in. It's cool!!
Cher
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Post by stoner on Nov 27, 2004 22:45:10 GMT -5
Wow James! Looks great. I saw something on PBS not long ago, Scientific Frontiers with Alan Alda I think, and they did a segment on arrowheads. Pretty cool stuff. You can have a decent piece going, then hit the stone the wrong way, and, poof! Start over. Excellent job.
Ed
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JKowalski33
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Post by JKowalski33 on Nov 27, 2004 22:56:23 GMT -5
yeah i think it would be fun to try. over thanksgiving i saw one of my cousins, and he said he had been trying to make arrowheads but he only know little about it compared to you james, he just sort of takes rocks and chips away at pieces. but anyways, i have a bunch of rainbow obsidian i got off ebay as one huge chunk, took and axe to it and now i have 6 good sized chunks with lots of shards. 2 of the chunk i broke further into smaller pieces with a hammer, and am now tumbling the pieces along with some of the original shards from breaking it. but i still have lots of it left, maybe i'll tumble it eventually (all 4 barrels are occupied with something or other). maybe ill try it out on some my excess obsidian.
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Post by BearCreekLapidary on Nov 30, 2004 11:27:47 GMT -5
Holy Cow James!
That looks great, are you planning on selling them?
There are a couple of people on eBay that knap arrow-heads and they have a tendancy to sell quite well.
Awesome!
John
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shorty
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Post by shorty on Dec 2, 2004 18:20:14 GMT -5
hi all james could explain how you do it and how you use the tools and could you show pic of how its done
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rickityrock
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Post by rickityrock on Dec 3, 2004 18:01:25 GMT -5
Dang, only a few weeks, wow, are you doin classes or somthin. i wish i could do that after just a few weeks it took me about a year do do that
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Post by Original Admin on Dec 3, 2004 21:05:04 GMT -5
**bump** for James.
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