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Post by 1dave on Mar 21, 2019 22:32:00 GMT -5
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Post by kog on Mar 22, 2019 0:13:34 GMT -5
That's interesting!
Always like speculative programs like that...
You think that tsunami is why they talk so funny over there?
Truly, I enjoyed watching that! Thanks for putting it on here!
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Post by gemfeller on Mar 22, 2019 0:52:26 GMT -5
1dave , I've said for years that Doggerland was Plato's Atlantis. Apart from the Tsunami quake, "global warming" melted huge Ice Age glaciers and the water inundated the huge land area that now comprises much of the North Sea. We've been in a warming trend for 12K years. I wonder what brand of C02-belching SUV's those Mesolithic folks were driving to cause the catastrophe that will end the world in just 12 years?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 1:36:41 GMT -5
Nice to see Baldrick is still working after all these years! His intellect has much improved, too. |
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Post by parfive on Mar 22, 2019 13:54:56 GMT -5
We've been in a warming trend for 12K years. Wrong. ps – Hockey Stick turned twenty this week. Happy Birthday : ) |
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Post by lookatthat on Mar 22, 2019 14:17:20 GMT -5
We've been in a warming trend for 12K years. Wrong. ps – Hockey Stick turned twenty this week. Happy Birthday : ) Well, I haven't seen a glacier out my window in a good 10,000+ years. Before that, my house would have been flattened under mile of ice, some of which would have reached down into Maryland. Of course, it's not a straight line nor curve, there are warming an cooling periods within each major period, but Eastern Shore polar bears have been scarce for quite a while.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 14:30:04 GMT -5
We've been in a warming trend for 12K years. Wrong. Well, he's correct that there has been warming, in the sense that that 12k period includes a general warmup following the last ice age. On the other hand, however, the sun has been in a long-term cooling cycle and due to get into the short-term "Grand Minimum" territory over the next 30 years, yet global temps have continued a steady rise since the Industrial Revolution. The last peak in solar warming was in the 1950s with a marked decline since, yet temps here have risen ever more rapidly during the last 6 decades (faster even than previous decades). |
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Post by lookatthat on Mar 22, 2019 15:08:13 GMT -5
If energy from the sun is going to further diminish over the next 30 years, maybe it's a good thing we've been getting warmer going into that, whatever the cause. Because though rising ocean levels are bad, being buried under ice is even worse for human survival.
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Post by lookatthat on Mar 22, 2019 15:08:31 GMT -5
Perhaps the waxworms will save us.
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Post by mohs on Mar 22, 2019 15:18:49 GMT -5
Scant attention is paid to the Little Ice Age of the 16th century
damnnnn
times then were effing hard
"Cold Genius" by Jenry Purcell a bitter cold poem
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Post by gemfeller on Mar 22, 2019 16:54:31 GMT -5
We've been in a warming trend for 12K years. Wrong. ps – Hockey Stick turned twenty this week. Happy Birthday : ) (Rolling eyes) I guess there are still a few hold-outs who believe in the thoroughly discredited Hockey Shtick scam. It'll probably be another 20 years-plus before the Penn State professor (who ought to be in the State Pen) allows legal discovery in his Canadian lawsuit against Mark Steyn. Not holding my breath. He knows his so-called research was phony. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2019 16:57:33 GMT -5
If energy from the sun is going to further diminish over the next 30 years, maybe it's a good thing we've been getting warmer going into that, whatever the cause. Because though rising ocean levels are bad, being buried under ice is even worse for human survival. The solar sharp dip in output may moderate the rise for a few years, but the increase in global temps will continue and resume its more rapid rise once the sun starts putting out more energy after the middle of the cycle. Solar output cycles aren't thought to be the cause of ice-age type glaciation. The point is that we should be getting cooler, and instead continue to warm. Methane levels continue to rise due to permafrost thaw, which significantly adds to the problem. In my area, I've watched us gain 3 USDA plant hardiness zones over the past 60 years - nice for gardens, but not for wildfires or anything that manages to grow outside irrigated places. Doesn't get as cold as it used to; still get snow but it comes too early or late to accumulate- has a big impact on river flows and water supplies as our local mountain glaciers are nearly gone. Increasing ocean acidification triggered by warming should be even more worrisome for those of us at higher elevations. |
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Post by parfive on Mar 22, 2019 23:47:12 GMT -5
Well, he's correct that there has been warming, in the sense that that 12k period includes a general warmup following the last ice age. That “general warmup” ended about 5,000 BC. The earth’s been gradually cooling for the last five thousand years. Well it was . . . until Al Gore bought a big house and took up trolling. |
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Post by gemfeller on Mar 23, 2019 0:11:21 GMT -5
Well, he's correct that there has been warming, in the sense that that 12k period includes a general warmup following the last ice age. On the other hand, however, the sun has been in a long-term cooling cycle and due to get into the short-term "Grand Minimum" territory over the next 30 years, yet global temps have continued a steady rise since the Industrial Revolution. The last peak in solar warming was in the 1950s with a marked decline since, yet temps here have risen ever more rapidly during the last 6 decades (faster even than previous decades). Yes, we're well into a Solar Minimum. I'm thinking more of long underwear than swimsuits. I'd be interested in learning how you came to the 30 year duration estimate. For instance, the Maunder Minimum lasted for 60 years. I read a lot on this topic and just can't accept that C02 is the "villain" it's made out to be. There have been a number of Ice Age-Interglacial periods and data from former Ice Ages are being derived from deep ice cores in Greenland. They show long periods of C02 concentrations considerably higher than at present, while temperatures were lower than today. Bottom line: I believe we simply don't have enough understanding of all the factors that determine weather/climate. When you look at Milankovich cycles, solar output, factor in plate tectonics and many other elements such as ocean currents and temperatures etc., we're like one of the seven blind men trying to describe an elephant by "feel." |
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Post by opalpyrexia on Mar 23, 2019 8:26:02 GMT -5
There have been a number of Ice Age-Interglacial periods and data from former Ice Ages are being derived from deep ice cores in Greenland. They show long periods of C02 concentrations considerably higher than at present, while temperatures were lower than today. Carbon Brief published a page just this month on Greenland ice core data records.
"Factcheck: What Greenland ice cores say about past and present climate change" 5 March 2019
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Post by 1dave on Mar 23, 2019 8:54:25 GMT -5
There have been a number of Ice Age-Interglacial periods and data from former Ice Ages are being derived from deep ice cores in Greenland. They show long periods of C02 concentrations considerably higher than at present, while temperatures were lower than today. Carbon Brief published a page just this month on Greenland ice core data records. "Factcheck: What Greenland ice cores say about past and present climate change" 5 March 2019
Who checks the "Fact Checkers"? We are all "Present Best Guessers."
Politics and science are a bad mix.
This is totally wrong?
 But THIS is totally right?  climatechangereconsidered.org/why-scientists-disagree-about-global-warming/ |
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Post by parfive on Mar 23, 2019 12:02:37 GMT -5
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Post by gemfeller on Mar 23, 2019 14:34:02 GMT -5
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Post by opalpyrexia on Mar 23, 2019 18:26:37 GMT -5
Who checks the "Fact Checkers"? We are all "Present Best Guessers." Anyone can be a fact checker, but I think that fact checkers who resort to peer-reviewed, published science for answers and guidance are better served.
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Post by 1dave on Mar 23, 2019 18:49:10 GMT -5
 And it gets better! |
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... to the New Guys from The ChatBox V.2 Crew