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Post by fernwood on May 19, 2019 7:08:40 GMT -5
Wondering what others think.
Should there be another monthly cabochon contest?
Initial shaping done with Rotary tools, files, tumbler, etc.
It would require that either a rotary, vibe or by hand methods be used for polishing.
Definition of cabochon would not be too strict, or another term would be used other than cabochon.
Flat or domed creations that could be used for pendants, rings, bracelets, earrings, etc.
All entries would need to have a girdle and flat back.
Finished jewelry pieces would not be allowed, but photos would be welcome of how the piece was used after refinement.
Required photos: Rough slab or rock. Front, back and side views.
The story behind the piece would be a must. Process used for refinement.
There are many here who are making some amazing pieces that do not really meet the standard definition of a cabochon and they are doing these pieces with minimal lapidary equipment, if any.
Just throwing this out there. Voting is set to end on 6/31. Thanks for voting.
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Post by rockjunquie on May 19, 2019 13:09:48 GMT -5
I was just wondering, Beth, who is gonna run it, if there is another one? I vote for you.  |
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Post by Tommy on May 19, 2019 17:31:00 GMT -5
fernwood - just my two cents but I don't think you can trust the results of a poll like this - the problem is you don't know how many active members will vote that do not support the current cab contest. For example if we have approximately 100 active members and we get 5 to 10 entries on average it could be said that 90% of our active members do not participate in the current cab contest either. This is not a negative on anyone - we have a widely variable hobby and a lot of members who have no interest in cabbing. My point it's almost a foregone conclusion that this poll is going to get a lot of "no" votes. I could be wrong  A better approach - again just my two cents - would be just start the contest with a forethought about how many folks you'd like to see jump in (again, the other contest seems to average between 5 and 10 with an uptick in participation recently) and see what kind of participation you get and base the popularity and viability off of that. If after a month or several it's not taking off then it is what it is. Our recent foray into a winner-take-all technical contest got exactly two entries and was not brought back for a second round. Lots of talk going into it but at the end of the day folks stayed out of it for each their own valid reasons.
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Post by Pat on May 19, 2019 18:56:20 GMT -5
I like to keep things simple.
My rule would be: you made it
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Post by Tommy on May 19, 2019 19:30:35 GMT -5
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Post by fernwood on May 20, 2019 4:57:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the input.
When starting the poll, I figured there would be lots of no votes. Had a target number of yes votes in mind. If the yes's reach that number, then great.
I could try coordinating the contest for a couple months to determine interest level.
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Post by rivarat on May 21, 2019 6:09:49 GMT -5
fernwood - just my two cents but I don't think you can trust the results of a poll like this - the problem is you don't know how many active members will vote that do not support the current cab contest. For example if we have approximately 100 active members and we get 5 to 10 entries on average it could be said that 90% of our active members do not participate in the current cab contest either. This is not a negative on anyone - we have a widely variable hobby and a lot of members who have no interest in cabbing. My point it's almost a foregone conclusion that this poll is going to get a lot of "no" votes. I could be wrong  A better approach - again just my two cents - would be just start the contest with a forethought about how many folks you'd like to see jump in (again, the other contest seems to average between 5 and 10 with an uptick in participation recently) and see what kind of participation you get and base the popularity and viability off of that. If after a month or several it's not taking off then it is what it is. Our recent foray into a winner-take-all technical contest got exactly two entries and was not brought back for a second round. Lots of talk going into it but at the end of the day folks stayed out of it for each their own valid reasons. I semi regularly support the current comp, so I'll throw my two cents in as well, so between Tommy and I you have 4 cents Selfish me would vote no, because that's not the way that suits me, if I vote no it would skew the results I would vote yes because I think it has its place, If I vote yes, I would be happy voting for my fav but not actively participating. Go with Tommy's approach, give it a go, you need the support of those that will enter. |
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Post by miket on May 21, 2019 10:10:39 GMT -5
I've been watching the whole cab contest thread for a while now and thought I'd chime in, for what it's worth. In general I'm a "see both sides" kind of person so don't expect an answer- just some food for thought. I love the current contest it gives me a chance to see the fantastic work that others do and types of stone that I may never see otherwise. I'm always amazed at the amount of skill and craftsmanship! On the reverse side I, like fernwood , currently do everything with a dremel and a rotary. Do I think it's any easier or harder that with a cabber? I can't really say since it's all I know for now. And even though what I'm making may or may not fit the exact definition of a cab I'll keep doing what I enjoy. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I would be willing to enter a new contest. Input from others is the only way to learn and improve, in my opinion. Besides, it's all in good fun!  |
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Post by Rockindad on May 21, 2019 20:06:06 GMT -5
For what it is worth, and that may not be much, I think there seems to be a considerable amount of overlap between what you have here and what is already being done in the FCC as that is already pretty open. I think I get your intent to make something especially for the tumbling crowd but they can already participate in the other contest. If the FCC is to become a lot more strict (and there appears to be some desire for that) I think glennz01 should make that determination as he has been running that for a long time. On a different note, a contest geared for tumblers would probably need an extended time frame. By the time a stone is shaped by rotary tool, etc. and then run through all of the stages of tumbling it will be considerably longer than someone working on a cabbing machine. Add specific themes and this process may get stretched out even more. Just some things to think about, definitely not trying to dissuade you as I hope you get a lot of interest. Al |
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Post by fernwood on May 22, 2019 6:36:47 GMT -5
On a different note, a contest geared for tumblers would probably need an extended time frame. By the time a stone is shaped by rotary tool, etc. and then run through all of the stages of tumbling it will be considerably longer than someone working on a cabbing machine. Add specific themes and this process may get stretched out even more. Just some things to think about, definitely not trying to dissuade you as I hope you get a lot of interest. Al Right, a longer time frame from when the contest is announced to when entry closing is. |
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Post by rockjunquie on May 22, 2019 7:55:19 GMT -5
Frankly, I don't think we need a separate contest. As long as it's a cab, it can be entered now. It just has to be a cab. If you are doing them by hand or tumbler, as long as it is shaped like a cab and you post a picture from the side to prove it, then enter it. So, I voted no. Besides, I don't think there are enough people to run another contest. How many hand cabbers or tumble cabbers are there here? Not many. Do your best work and submit it to Glenn's contest.
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Post by Tommy on May 22, 2019 10:33:24 GMT -5
After thinking on it for a few days I tend to agree with rockjunquie and I don't think the lines need to be blurred by running two cab contests. My reasons are more along the lines of I don't understand your premise. If you break down your description, in the absence of rules about what a cabochon is, isn't it really is just a tumbling contest that would allow for alternative shaping and polishing? For instance any rough rock like this rose quartz from the rock shed for example - shaped in a rotary tumbler and finished in a vibe would fit the rules of a cabochon if no further definition of a cab is presented.   Nothing wrong with starting a tumbling contest but keep in mind the WWTC running currently and basically consuming most of the year... |
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Post by fernwood on May 23, 2019 6:40:13 GMT -5
Tommy. Point taken. I was refining the potential rules from what was posted above.
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Post by Rockoonz on May 23, 2019 10:37:51 GMT -5
I voted yes, then read the thread and changed my vote to no. To split participation between 2 contests could kill both.
Besides, the current contest allows for a lot of latitude, I seem to recall a square cab contest won with a round cab.
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Post by Tommy on May 25, 2019 12:03:19 GMT -5
the current contest allows for a lot of latitude, I seem to recall a square cab contest won with a round cab. lol no doubt it was a concentric square |
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Post by glennz01 on May 31, 2019 21:48:46 GMT -5
Just should mention the theme, if you win,you are allowed to change some of the rules or requirements to fit your theme..
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