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Post by TheRock on Sept 3, 2019 19:04:07 GMT -5
No one likes admitting they are wrong, I don't either but gosh this is Ridicules! I remember asking what kind of Cab Machine to get and most everyone said a Genie, I ended up asking Shawn for his recommendations and I purchased the Cab King from TRS like I have done with just about all my equipment and this is no fault of Shawn's as it is a Equipment Defect. Let me start by saying I hardly have used it, at least compared to others I have only used it probably a total of 20 hrs max. What I will do is do a few hrs session's shut it off and then use it maybe 3-4 months later. It's a great machine don't get me wrong but on 3 Occasions when I went to turn it on hitting the green on Button It acts like it started but the Magnetic Switch wont stay pulled in and goes right off. This is now the 3rd time it has done this and It happened Saturday and I had to sit and stew over it for 3 LONG DAYS! So I called Cab King this morning and said it's Me Again, like the lady will remember me right? Well it wasn't long after I told my tail of woe she remembered me and confirmed the past problems by looking up my account. She of course Skirted the Issue by saying I needed a Surge Protector Strip to help protect the machine. I said ya know. I have read that manual from cover to end and it says nothing about a surge protector why don't you just fess up and admit that this is a problem Like I have in my Google Searches (the phone got quite)................ I said ya know isn't there a different switch you can send me? And then came the words I wanted to hear, She said yeah we are having problems with that switch we are trying to find another MFG. I said well it's about Damn Time! So she is sending me a new switch and I went to Menards and picked up a Surge Strip that has 2,450 Joules Protection that handles 15 amps. I will go out to the Lap Shop and wire it up and send them Pics of my Install. Oh when she said Ill send you a replacement switch, I told her to send a Case Of Them So I can have one on hand next Time. Had to say something to make me feel better! Pics of the Strip Later
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Post by stardiamond on Sept 3, 2019 19:50:35 GMT -5
Sounds like a manufacturing problem related to a bad component. Cab King has been around for a long time so that means something. I have surge protecting power strips all over the house but mainly because they are poser strips and I have a lot of stuff to plug in. My Genie uses one for the machine and one for the light. My pump has been broken for a long time and I use two aquarium pumps.
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Post by TheRock on Sept 3, 2019 22:30:25 GMT -5
Sounds like a manufacturing problem related to a bad component. Cab King has been around for a long time so that means something. I have surge protecting power strips all over the house but mainly because they are poser strips and I have a lot of stuff to plug in. My Genie uses one for the machine and one for the light. My pump has been broken for a long time and I use two aquarium pumps. Now I'm not talking about a GFCI ie: Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter all cab machines should have one of those. They are required by THE NEC National Electric Code and most especially when you are working on or around any water source and a CabKing Machine comes wired with one, when working with a cab machine you have a Pump, you have wet hands etc. A power strip is not a Surge suppressor, A surge protector Is a totally different animal and called many things like (a spike suppressor, or surge suppressor, or surge divert-er) is an appliance or device designed to protect delicate electrical electronic devices from voltage spikes. These would usually be used in electronic devices on your home entertainment center like TV, Stereo, AMP, DVD. Now A lot of my garage equipment has magnetic switches now to explain a Magnetic switch is an electrical switch that switches when a magnetic field affects it. They are useful in situations where moving elements cannot make direct contact with the switch, such as in explosive environments. They are also able to work in water. I never had one fail much less 3 times like this one has. Cab King's Switch Source Sucks, they need to own up and fix this problem has been going on and she fessed up about it today. They need to fix this problem before someone opens up a class action lawsuit on them Cab King is responsible for their poor choice in switch manufactures and that it is called PRODUCT LIABILITY that was covered on my State Of Michigan License HVAC Exam actually the Business Law Section I took 37 years ago. Lawyers are like Sharks they Circle and BITE EVERYBODY until they find the source with the most blood. As you stated this is a MFG Defect the switch company is responsible. You should not have to Buy a Surge suppressor for every piece of equipment in your garage or shop that lady who told me that, needs to go see the Wizard of Ozz and get a Brain! Iv'e never heard such a thing having to buy a surge protector to keep a switch from going out! Like you said CAB KING has been around a LONG TIME Good! The Lawyers will appreciate that, that means they have DEEP POCKETS! While on this subject. There is an Individual that I like and care about who sells a grinder. His equipment does not have nor is mentioned a GFCI circuit device installed on this equipment. This is an Situation that someone could die from electrical shock and he would be sued for every last dime he has ever made. I mentioned this one day while on the phone with him and tried to be delicate and thoughtful in my explanation to him. Weather or not he has or he will contact all of his past clients and provide a warning like he said he was going to do, remains to be seen. I have three circuits in my Lap Shop all three lines have GFCI Circuit Protectors as does all my outside receptacles either at the switch, plug or breaker. All is circuits are protected at THE DUKE "O" MINNIUM.
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Post by stardiamond on Sept 4, 2019 0:05:50 GMT -5
I buy these from Amazon. Belkin F5C048-2 6-Outlet Power Strip Surge Protector with 2-Foot Power Cord for $6. I imagine almost any power strip purchased now includes surge protection. Many, many years ago my electric service was experiencing frequent power surges and I could watch light bulbs brighten and burn out. I've had surge protectors on my computers, sound system and tvs since then. (am I missing something?) Also many, many years ago I had a Jacuzzi portable spa outside the master bedroom and had a dedicated line installed with GFI. I can't remember if it was 110 or 220. We got rid of the spa and the area became where I cab. The line was then 110v with GFI and my star diamond machine plugs into that. I've had the GFI replaced a few times when I have an electrician doing other work. That machine is very primitive with a big electric motor and a belt drive. I don't know anything about the GFI capabilities of my genie.
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Post by TheRock on Sept 4, 2019 1:12:31 GMT -5
I buy these from Amazon. Belkin F5C048-2 6-Outlet Power Strip Surge Protector with 2-Foot Power Cord for $6. I imagine almost any power strip purchased now includes surge protection. Many, many years ago my electric service was experiencing frequent power surges and I could watch light bulbs brighten and burn out. I've had surge protectors on my computers, sound system and tvs since then. (am I missing something?) Also many, many years ago I had a Jacuzzi portable spa outside the master bedroom and had a dedicated line installed with GFI. I can't remember if it was 110 or 220. We got rid of the spa and the area became where I cab. The line was then 110v with GFI and my star diamond machine plugs into that. I've had the GFI replaced a few times when I have an electrician doing other work. That machine is very primitive with a big electric motor and a belt drive. I don't know anything about the GFI capabilities of my genie. Well Maybe you are I don't Know You said yourself Many, many years ago my electric service was experiencing frequent power surges and I could watch light bulbs brighten and burn out. I've had surge protectors on my computers, sound system and tvs since then. Exactly Electronic Devises for surge not Induction motor driven devices or power tools ect ect. We are talking two different kind of devices And no its 1/2 and 1/2 when I was at Menards today they had reg power strips and Strips w/Surge Suppressors the surge cost more moooola$$$.
I have a surge on my 75" Samsung Big Screen and Entertainment Center and Computers Electronic Devices And Now My CAB KING. Maybe I need to put one on my Toaster so It don't go out!
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Post by TheRock on Sept 4, 2019 1:51:22 GMT -5
You get what you pay for I just looked up your Belkin and it only has 200 Joules Protection. Far be it from me to tell you what your trying to protect is worth just $6.00 bucks 0r investigate and with the info I provided may save you $$$ in the long haul. Watch the Video below and click on youtube scroll down and this guy will give you information what to look for when buying a surge suppressor. You have to also remember they fail overtime and yours with only a 200 Jueles rating is probably dusted. Mine has the two lights and shows if its good or bad. The strip I purchased today was 2,480 Joules. And actually I have 3 UPS power supplies w Surge Protection that is way better than any system Using Just a Surge Switch (1) In my Computer Room that handles my PC, my network, Including Router and Cable Modem, And Network POE Switches that handles my 25 Geovision Cameras and Security System. (1) on my Graphtec Vinyl Plotter. (1) In my Living Room hooked to my TV and home entertainment system. Read This for more info rating on Joules. and look and watch the video below. Here is an old Picture of my Camera System I only had 19 Cameras when these pics were taken Now I have 25, Including 3 w/ Pan Tilt Zoom. Its nice being able to log In anywhere in the world that has internet and Ck on the Duke "O" minnium from my cell phone Laptop or any computer. At present it has Solved Several Crimes in the Neighborhood. What do you expect from a Retired Jail Maintenance Supervisor? We had over 350 cameras at the Jail. I guess I brought some of that Jail Security Knowledge home with me. Read This for more info rating on Joules
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Post by fernwood on Sept 4, 2019 4:09:08 GMT -5
Bummer on the Cab King.
I am a big fan of surge protectors, especially in rural areas where the currents can fluctuate. Also for old houses. Have two older units with battery back up. Only have a lamp, clock, TV, wireless, internet box and printer hooked to them. Just yesterday there were storms here. The lights not on the protector flickered. Other clocks had to be reset, like those on appliances.
Like your camera set up. Mine is just a couple hidden trail cams, lol.
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Post by TheRock on Sept 4, 2019 5:34:21 GMT -5
Bummer on the Cab King. I am a big fan of surge protectors, especially in rural areas where the currents can fluctuate. Also for old houses. Have two older units with battery back up. Only have a lamp, clock, TV, wireless, internet box and printer hooked to them. Just yesterday there were storms here. The lights not on the protector flickered. Other clocks had to be reset, like those on appliances. Like your camera set up. Mine is just a couple hidden trail cams, lol. Thanks Beth, yeah sometimes I think I get Screwed More than Hue Heffner I try to do my research when I buy something but MFG's Are sometimes pretty bad admitting guilt in this case over the dang Defunct Switch. They are just hurting themselves cause bad news travels fast. Did you look at the Video of the guy explaining Surge Protectors? I learned a lot from watching it myself. I didn't know they go bad! After so many Hits they go to the crapper he tells you to spend a lil more money and get the ones with indicator Lights and higher Joules rating. If ya click on Youtube and go to his movie Scroll down and he gives you what to look for before buying one. I have indicator lights on all of mine luckily and tonight I checked them and I got the green light that says PROTECTED which means its still good thank Goodness! The Reason A UPS Uninterruptible Power Supply is the best form of protection is they have an Invert-er Built in that runs on batteries so the power 120V is coming from the batteries going thru an Invert-er which converts the DC 12V Current to 120V A/C. I doubt any lightning or Surge can jump across DC Batteries Unless you get a Direct Hit! At that point all bets are Off!
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Post by fernwood on Sept 4, 2019 5:42:45 GMT -5
Yup. Mine have the green or red lights too. An alarm sounds if the battery is low. Whatta pain at times. It will go off about every 10-15 minutes for 30 seconds. I now have two spare batteries, as that alarm is loud. My units also have an indicator light for if there is something wrong with the outlet they are plugged into.
Once my lapidary space is fully set up I am going to purchase another UPS unit.
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Post by TheRock on Sept 4, 2019 6:54:34 GMT -5
Yup. Mine have the green or red lights too. An alarm sounds if the battery is low. Whatta pain at times. It will go off about every 10-15 minutes for 30 seconds. I now have two spare batteries, as that alarm is loud. My units also have an indicator light for if there is something wrong with the outlet they are plugged into. Once my lapidary space is fully set up I am going to purchase another UPS unit. Sounds like your covered, I think I will Pick Up a couple Spares Surge Protectors when I see them on Sale And Get the Highest Rated Joule units for the Buck now that I know over time they go bad after so many Hits! I just Found a Better Picture Showing My UPS top Left of Pic To the left of the Phone.
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Post by fernwood on Sept 4, 2019 7:01:38 GMT -5
I only hope the new units are as good as my 1990's ones are. These are both surge and brown out units.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2019 11:36:12 GMT -5
Our electric utility offered a deal on a whole-house surge protector, which installs at the meter. Has worked much better than the plug surges, although I do have a couple of UPS units for things that need a bit of time to shut down when there is an outage. Used to have lots of failures, but none since the whole-house unit was installed 5 or so years ago. You can buy the whole-house units on your own, but check with your utility to see whether they offer any deals on those (was cheaper for me).
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Post by parfive on Sept 4, 2019 13:06:45 GMT -5
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Post by TheRock on Sept 4, 2019 20:54:30 GMT -5
Good reading with a UPS the surge is not needed anyways UPS is the best way to go. So I just added a Power strip to get a couple more outlets that's all I was doing anyways I'm good! Thanks.
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Post by TheRock on Sept 5, 2019 2:44:48 GMT -5
Decided to do some modifications and put in a Drain System in for the Cab King for March till Oct. That will help in 8 months during the year the other 4 months during the Winter I will Do the Bucket Brigade. Also showing the bad switch and New surge protector!
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 5, 2019 20:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by aDave on Sept 5, 2019 20:21:13 GMT -5
As a result of the Troll and some research on the 'net, I found a book that was published by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Written by a guy whose pedigree is rather impressive, it's written in plain English and is geared toward the consumer. It speaks the virtues of surge protection at different levels and is pretty informative. www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pml/div684/Surges_happen.pdf
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Post by TheRock on Sept 5, 2019 22:01:19 GMT -5
As a result of the Troll and some research on the 'net, I found a book that was published by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Written by a guy whose pedigree is rather impressive, it's written in plain English and is geared toward the consumer. It speaks the virtues of surge protection at different levels and is pretty informative. on my solar pane www.nist.gov/sites/default/files/documents/pml/div684/Surges_happen.pdfGood Article aDave ! Like I mentioned I have done all I can Do To Protect my home. When I installed my Solar Array back in 2016 I installed 3 Surge Supressors to help protect My solar array 1 At The Array and 1 on each service Panel. Shown on the bottom of the fuse panel the round thing with blue inside.
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Post by TheRock on Sept 5, 2019 22:10:16 GMT -5
By The way The Switch Came for the Cab King Today I am back Online! This is the 4th switch on this machine. I showed a Surge Supressor at the Solar Panel But I also have one The Midnight Solar Surge Suppressor that I have shown on the service Panel in my Garage So that means I have had 3 bad switches with a surge installed I forgot about it being installed already that means Cab King has some Splanin to do! The Switch they are using are Crap They need to get it fixed and need to come up with some Comps for my trouble.
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Post by parfive on Sept 5, 2019 22:16:51 GMT -5
Whoever wired your panel is a slob.
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