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Post by miket on Sept 6, 2019 15:08:05 GMT -5
Here's my latest attempt, with some Indonesian Palm Root that I received from rockjunquie . Any input/tips is appreciated!  |
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 6, 2019 16:53:38 GMT -5
I think it's great and a definite improvement!  The front looks really good. I can't tell from the picture about the bail, but it looks like it started to get away from you. Which is fine, it happens. Overall a fine wrap. I like the cab, too. That came out nice. |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Sept 6, 2019 16:58:59 GMT -5
I agree with Tela. Came out nice!
Bails are always the most difficult part of the whole thing, at least for me. Once you get that down though, you'll be golden.
Tela made an excellent tutorial for a woven bail if you're up to it:
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 6, 2019 17:01:13 GMT -5
What kind of wire were you using? Just asking because I think you might try something different for better results. Looks like square half hard?
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Post by miket on Sept 6, 2019 18:14:04 GMT -5
I think it's great and a definite improvement! The front looks really good. I can't tell from the picture about the bail, but it looks like it started to get away from you. Which is fine, it happens. Overall a fine wrap. I like the cab, too. That came out nice. Thank you! The bail actually did kind of get away, I think I should have used less wires. The cab did come out nice, I love that stff. Thanks again! |
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Post by miket on Sept 6, 2019 18:15:28 GMT -5
I agree with Tela. Came out nice!
Bails are always the most difficult part of the whole thing, at least for me. Once you get that down though, you'll be golden.
Tela made an excellent tutorial for a woven bail if you're up to it:
Thanks Robin! I'll check it out- I may have already but I'm not sure... 🤣 |
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Post by miket on Sept 6, 2019 18:16:46 GMT -5
What kind of wire were you using? Just asking because I think you might try something different for better results. Looks like square half hard? Close. Square dead soft. I think it's easier to work with for me but my experience is very limited... |
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Post by fernwood on Sept 6, 2019 18:53:26 GMT -5
I like it.
I have yet to do a more involved bail.
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Post by miket on Sept 6, 2019 21:13:54 GMT -5
I like it. I have yet to do a more involved bail. Thanks! |
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Post by opalpyrexia on Sept 7, 2019 12:47:46 GMT -5
I think that your choice of where you placed the wire really enhances the stone!
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Post by Drummond Island Rocks on Sept 7, 2019 13:00:40 GMT -5
Great stone. I pretty much only use 20 gauge dead soft square for the main wires in my full wraps. I did struggle with copper though. 20 Gauge dead soft silver is much easier then 20 gauge dead soft copper. The rule of thumb is that if you practice on copper and get good then silver will be a piece of cake.
Chuck
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Post by miket on Sept 7, 2019 14:09:28 GMT -5
I think that your choice of where you placed the wire really enhances the stone! Thanks! |
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Post by miket on Sept 7, 2019 14:11:55 GMT -5
Great stone. I pretty much only use 20 gauge dead soft square for the main wires in my full wraps. I did struggle with copper though. 20 Gauge dead soft silver is much easier then 20 gauge dead soft copper. The rule of thumb is that if you practice on copper and get good then silver will be a piece of cake. Chuck Thanks Chuck. Practicing with copper is the advice I got from Tela also. Of course, being impatient I bought silver and learned that lesson quickly! |
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Post by NevadaBill on Sept 8, 2019 11:04:15 GMT -5
Keep it up Mike! The wrap really accents the pattern in the Palm Root stone very well. They have the same kind of wavy look to them. That's what makes it special.
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Post by miket on Sept 8, 2019 12:08:12 GMT -5
Keep it up Mike! The wrap really accents the pattern in the Palm Root stone very well. They have the same kind of wavy look to them. That's what makes it special. Thanks Bill, I love the stone but I'm not super happy with the wrap. The more I look at it, the more I see that could have been better. I have a long way to go! |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Sept 8, 2019 13:23:42 GMT -5
Patience, grasshopper! If you are truly unhappy with the wrap, then take it apart and try again. Copper is relatively inexpensive and that makes it easier to do over. One tiny piece of constructive criticism: When you are binding your bail wires together, use only a couple of turns of half-round to hold them. Then form (or weave) your bail and then use the rest of the half-round to bind it next to the first couple of binding wraps. It will make it look neater. If I have a lot of wires because I was weaving a bail, I will take the ends on the back and curl them under as close to the bindings as I can get them. That will keep everything tight. Here's a picture of what I mean:
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 8, 2019 13:32:55 GMT -5
I think you may have better luck if you use 2 square and 2 round wires in your wraps- round on the outside of the bundle. If you are using 3 wires, make the middle square. Round wires will be easier and neater to turn in to hold the stone. Square gets off square very easily and doesn't look good. Also, you might have better luck with 1/2 hard wire. If you have a pinvise, you can twist round soft wire to make it almost 1/2 hard. You can twist square soft for a nice twist wire, that will make it 1/2 hard.
What Robin said will give you some space between the stone and the bail and make it easier to work and look better.
You'll get it, Mike. I have no doubt. Just keep working on it. Copper is cheap. |
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Post by miket on Sept 8, 2019 14:10:09 GMT -5
Patience, grasshopper! If you are truly unhappy with the wrap, then take it apart and try again. Copper is relatively inexpensive and that makes it easier to do over. One tiny piece of constructive criticism: When you are binding your bail wires together, use only a couple of turns of half-round to hold them. Then form (or weave) your bail and then use the rest of the half-round to bind it next to the first couple of binding wraps. It will make it look neater. If I have a lot of wires because I was weaving a bail, I will take the ends on the back and curl them under as close to the bindings as I can get them. That will keep everything tight. Here's a picture of what I mean:
Thanks for the tip- and the encouragement. 😀 I may redo it after all, the stone is so nice! |
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Post by miket on Sept 8, 2019 14:12:52 GMT -5
I think you may have better luck if you use 2 square and 2 round wires in your wraps- round on the outside of the bundle. If you are using 3 wires, make the middle square. Round wires will be easier and neater to turn in to hold the stone. Square gets off square very easily and doesn't look good. Also, you might have better luck with 1/2 hard wire. If you have a pinvise, you can twist round soft wire to make it almost 1/2 hard. You can twist square soft for a nice twist wire, that will make it 1/2 hard.
What Robin said will give you some space between the stone and the bail and make it easier to work and look better.
You'll get it, Mike. I have no doubt. Just keep working on it. Copper is cheap. Thank you, ma'am. I may give that a try. I noticed the square wire twisted just a bit. But I am having fun with it and definitely won't give up... |
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The front looks really good. I can't tell from the picture about the bail, but it looks like it started to get away from you. Which is fine, it happens. Overall a fine wrap. I like the cab, too. That came out nice.
