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Post by fernwood on Sept 17, 2019 6:39:44 GMT -5
Practice runs for dogs are amazing.
I have a friend who is a German Shepard breeder. Some of her dogs go to families, some as guard dogs, some as service dogs, some as K-9 Officers. Since the members of all litters have different personalities, she hand selects which dogs will be targeted for what. Then begins the training process. Her commands for guard/K-9 Officers are all in German, as her dogs respond best to this.
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Post by Tommy on Sept 17, 2019 10:57:39 GMT -5
Her commands ... are all in German, as her dogs respond best to this. I'm fairly certain that all dogs will respond to any word in any language exactly proportionate to their training with that word/command. K9 trainers teach German commands so that when officers are yelling commands at a bad guy they are less likely to give an accidentally command to the dog. Also they don't want the bad guys knowing the commands that could confuse the dog into standing down. My wife being German we trained Charley with basic commands in German just because it sounds awesome - "foose!" (Fuß meaning foot) sounds better than "heel" lol. My wife yells stuff at them that I have no idea what it means but if you're a dog (or a husband) and you get a four syllable German word yelled at you - it's time to hang your head and tuck your tail. |
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Post by lookatthat on Sept 17, 2019 11:10:36 GMT -5
Hard to go wrong with a classic revolver. Very simple operation.
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Post by Tommy on Sept 17, 2019 11:28:29 GMT -5
Hard to go wrong with a classic revolver. Very simple operation. I totally agree - for basic home protection you can't beat a revolver for simplicity and reliability. If you need to fire more than six shots you probably are in a dire situation no matter what what gun you have. |
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Post by rockpickerforever on Sept 17, 2019 11:31:00 GMT -5
Hard to go wrong with a classic revolver. Very simple operation. I won't say what other guns are in my house, but I personally only own one gun, purchased new and legally almost 29 years ago. Have not yet had occasion to protect myself with it yet. It's Ruger Blackhawk, 38mm revolver. Single action. A cowboy gun! Timed shooting (it has to be cocked for each shot - or fanned!) and the time it takes to reload when at the range the only downfalls. Agree, revolvers are simple to use. I've never cared for automatics. |
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Post by pizzano on Sept 17, 2019 12:34:45 GMT -5
I certainly didn't mean to start a handgun trilogy.......lol
Some things to consider if the intent is for personal protection, home security.........not all State's Laws are the same......Just a few suggestions for newbees...:
1) Not all handguns are "legally" available for purchase......before one gets their heart set on any model, research the legality first.
2) The purchasing options vary from State to State, waiting periods, background checks and certifications to own/purchase vary as well.
3) Think About & Understand what you're getting into first. Are you physically, mentally and emotionally (responsible fear) capable to use it if/when needed.
4) Purchase the proper tool for the job. Size, weight, caliber, ease of operation, cost to purchase/operate (ammo) and cleaning should (must) be considered.
5) Get professional training, which will help determine what best fits your needs and abilities. May be required anyway in order to purchase in some States.
6) Practice, Practice, Practice.........will increase your confidence, get one over any "fear" factors and provide a better understanding of the tool & your limits.
Not everyone is wired to "pull a trigger", be it at a paper target, beer can or live mammal.......especially under pressure or in the "heat" of the moment........Practice will help overcome any initial anxieties and serve as a foundation for comfort/muscle memory/accuracy.......no one really ever knows, if and/or when, you'll need to protect one's self using "deadly force".......and I hope/pray no one ever has to. But being prepared, knowing when to engage with the proper tool and developing the proper skills are MOST VITAL TO THE USE OF A HANDGUN for self preservation.....!.......That goes for "sport" as well....!
Yes.....if your'e wondering, I'm a licensed/certified Range Competitor here in the wonderful "gun" friendly State of California...... where the laws and licensing requirements are endless and forever changing......lol
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 17, 2019 12:41:01 GMT -5
I certainly didn't mean to start a handgun trilogy.......lol Some things to consider if the intent is for personal protection, home security.........not all State's Laws are the same......Just a few suggestions for newbees...: 1) Not all handguns are "legally" available for purchase......before one gets their heart set on any model, research the legality first. 2) The purchasing options vary from State to State, waiting periods, background checks and certifications to own/purchase vary as well. 3) Think About & Understand what you're getting into first. Are you physically, mentally and emotionally (responsible fear) capable to use it if/when needed. 4) Purchase the proper tool for the job. Size, weight, caliber, ease of operation, cost to purchase/operate (ammo) and cleaning should (must) be considered. 5) Get professional training, which will help determine what best fits your needs and abilities. May be required anyway in order to purchase in some States. 6) Practice, Practice, Practice.........will increase your confidence, get one over any "fear" factors and provide a better understanding of the tool & your limits. Not everyone is wired to "pull a trigger", be it at a paper target, beer can or live mammal.......especially under pressure or in the "heat" of the moment........Practice will help overcome any initial anxieties and serve as a foundation for comfort/muscle memory/accuracy.......no one really ever knows, if and/or when, you'll need to protect one's self using "deadly force".......and I hope/pray no one ever has to. But being prepared, knowing when to engage with the proper tool and developing the proper skills are MOST VITAL TO THE USE OF A HANDGUN for self preservation.....!.......That goes for "sport" as well....! Yes.....if your'e wondering, I'm a licensed/certified Range Competitor here in the wonderful "gun" friendly State of California...... where the laws and licensing requirements are endless and forever changing......lol
Good points! My daughter and her husband are still talking seriously about it. It's a big decision to have a firearm.
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Post by pizzano on Sept 17, 2019 12:50:11 GMT -5
I certainly didn't mean to start a handgun trilogy.......lol Some things to consider if the intent is for personal protection, home security.........not all State's Laws are the same......Just a few suggestions for newbees...: 1) Not all handguns are "legally" available for purchase......before one gets their heart set on any model, research the legality first. 2) The purchasing options vary from State to State, waiting periods, background checks and certifications to own/purchase vary as well. 3) Think About & Understand what you're getting into first. Are you physically, mentally and emotionally (responsible fear) capable to use it if/when needed. 4) Purchase the proper tool for the job. Size, weight, caliber, ease of operation, cost to purchase/operate (ammo) and cleaning should (must) be considered. 5) Get professional training, which will help determine what best fits your needs and abilities. May be required anyway in order to purchase in some States. 6) Practice, Practice, Practice.........will increase your confidence, get one over any "fear" factors and provide a better understanding of the tool & your limits. Not everyone is wired to "pull a trigger", be it at a paper target, beer can or live mammal.......especially under pressure or in the "heat" of the moment........Practice will help overcome any initial anxieties and serve as a foundation for comfort/muscle memory/accuracy.......no one really ever knows, if and/or when, you'll need to protect one's self using "deadly force".......and I hope/pray no one ever has to. But being prepared, knowing when to engage with the proper tool and developing the proper skills are MOST VITAL TO THE USE OF A HANDGUN for self preservation.....!.......That goes for "sport" as well....! Yes.....if your'e wondering, I'm a licensed/certified Range Competitor here in the wonderful "gun" friendly State of California...... where the laws and licensing requirements are endless and forever changing......lol
Good points! My daughter and her husband are still talking seriously about it. It's a big decision to have a firearm.
Thank You......Yes, it should be one of those decisions taken very seriously...........to many don't..........! Life is precious........If one is not prepared properly, it could be your own life that is taken......even with tool in hand.......! |
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Post by MsAli on Sept 17, 2019 15:58:36 GMT -5
I am so glad her and her family came to no harm
Heres my 2 cents.
I always remember my k9 trainer telling me you can always recall a dog but you cannot ever recall that bullet. That has always stuck with me, especially when training dogs.
Even the smallest dog can, if trained correctly be a "guard" dog and even deter and protect its pack.
Size really doesnt matter, training does. I've seen small dogs take on grown men and I've seen big dogs cower and run.
There is so much more that goes into pack dynamics and choosing a dog for protection
Mostly I really, really hope doors are locked into the future. That is itself a dettterant, and yes I know if someone is determined to get in they will
Having a large dog is great, but having a trained dog is even better. There are classes offered in all states and I highly recommend even the basic one.
If she decides to add a gun to the home
Have her go to a shooting range preferably one that is willing to show her the different choices and talk to her about them
Handguns are not a one size fits all.
Me personally I like the glock 17 gen4 a lot
Lastly making a decision to pull a trigger is one that isnt easy. People always say they could and would, but when you are in that situation you dont always react the way you thought you would. I know without a doubt I could, but I also have military training and the mentality to shoot. It's not necessarily something I am proud of saying either. Taking a life isnt a game.
Not everyone can do that and more often than not will freeze or hurt themselves and or bystanders
Taking some courses in self defense is also a good idea.
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Post by Rockoonz on Sept 17, 2019 16:46:42 GMT -5
Glad the dog was enough. I prefer Glock--no d@#^ safety levers to think about when the only thing you want is the trigger... Rockoonz is absolutely right in his recommendation. Nothing personal, but for me a glock was like hanging on to a poorly carved piece of plastic lumber. |
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Post by MsAli on Sept 17, 2019 18:02:40 GMT -5
Glad the dog was enough. I prefer Glock--no d@#^ safety levers to think about when the only thing you want is the trigger... Rockoonz is absolutely right in his recommendation. Nothing personal, but for me a glock was like hanging on to a poorly carved piece of plastic lumber. It does have a "plastic" feel |
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Post by taylor on Sept 17, 2019 21:41:45 GMT -5
Nothing personal, but for me a glock was like hanging on to a poorly carved piece of plastic lumber. It does have a "plastic" feel I agree that it is pretty spartan, but if (and I hope never) I need to use it in a worst case scenario I have no worries about operator error even though I haven't used it for a long while. I've added one of those rubber sleeve things (sorry don't remember proper name) with contours and non-slip bumps. It works! |
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Post by Tommy on Sept 17, 2019 22:02:17 GMT -5
I've added one of those rubber sleeve things (sorry don't remember proper name) with contours and non-slip bumps. It works! I didn't want to pile on but yeah Glocks just feel ... like what has been said, plastic ... and square. My son recently offered me his Glock 9mm for $150 and I had to pass. My Baretta fits like a glove and I barely have time or money to get out and shoot it anymore - so one handgun is enough for me I guess. |
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Post by pizzano on Sept 17, 2019 23:00:38 GMT -5
Glad the dog was enough. I prefer Glock--no d@#^ safety levers to think about when the only thing you want is the trigger... Rockoonz is absolutely right in his recommendation. , but for me a glock was like hanging on to a poorly carved piece of plastic lumber. I was really hoping this thread wouldn't turn into a make and model opinion dissertation......so I'll try to calm that aspect by stating.... and this is not a personal opinion, it's been researched to ridiculous lengths for over 80yrs......when it comes down to handgun purchases, that vast majority of selections (there are always a few exceptions)..........outside of military and law enforcement type purchases, boils down to PERSONAL CHOICE........it is a personal matter. Even if one spends the time to really research what law enforcement, competition, professional hunters and alike use, study manufacture spec's, history and ballistic sciences........although useful.....it will still come down to personal choice. Whether it be cost, availability, one's physical/emotional limitations, experience, it's purpose, ergonomic design, likes, wants, needs, usefulness, maintainability, feel, comfort, manageability....the list goes on and on.......it's really about one's personal preference. Like Ali said, handguns are not a "one kind fits all" tool. If that were the case, we'd be limited to "specifics" like the military issues back in the day. Not the case today. Hope this quiets down some of the make & model "opinion" chatter that will lead to no where useful for the average handgun purchase........  |
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Post by MsAli on Sept 18, 2019 5:58:47 GMT -5
Nothing personal, but for me a glock was like hanging on to a poorly carved piece of plastic lumber. I was really hoping this thread wouldn't turn into a make and model opinion dissertation......so I'll try to calm that aspect by stating.... and this is not a personal opinion, it's been researched to ridiculous lengths for over 80yrs......when it comes down to handgun purchases, that vast majority of selections (there are always a few exceptions)..........outside of military and law enforcement type purchases, boils down to PERSONAL CHOICE........it is a personal matter. Even if one spends the time to really research what law enforcement, competition, professional hunters and alike use, study manufacture spec's, history and ballistic sciences........although useful.....it will still come down to personal choice. Whether it be cost, availability, one's physical/emotional limitations, experience, it's purpose, ergonomic design, likes, wants, needs, usefulness, maintainability, feel, comfort, manageability....the list goes on and on.......it's really about one's personal preference. Like Ali said, handguns are not a "one kind fits all" tool. If that were the case, we'd be limited to "specifics" like the military issues back in the day. Not the case today. Hope this quiets down some of the make & model "opinion" chatter that will lead to no where useful for the average handgun purchase........ That's why to me going to a range to try different handguns is so important. It's not the same for everyone and when you're shooting you want something you are comfortable with and confident with. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Sept 18, 2019 10:48:32 GMT -5
I didn't really mean for this to turn into a weapons debate, but I did read all of your input and some PMs, too. Thank you very much and sincerely for all of help. I think that if they decide to get one, they will go to the range and try a few out. It looks like her husband may get one. He has less experience than my daughter with a handgun. Knowing him, (an engineer) he'll go for lessons and a CC.
My daughter was here all day yesterday. She went back and forth crying over the intruder and the fact that one of her childhood friends, who she still talked with, jumped off her apt building - killing herself. Rough day for my daughter.
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Post by pizzano on Sept 18, 2019 12:19:53 GMT -5
I didn't really mean for this to turn into a weapons debate, but I did read all of your input and some PMs, too. Thank you very much and sincerely for all of help. I think that if they decide to get one, they will go to the range and try a few out. It looks like her husband may get one. He has less experience than my daughter with a handgun. Knowing him, (an engineer) he'll go for lessons and a CC.
My daughter was here all day yesterday. She went back and forth crying over the intruder and the fact that one of her childhood friends, who she still talked with, jumped off her apt building - killing herself. Rough day for my daughter.
Sorry for the extended firearms conversation.........it is a serious passion of mine and I've been at it since I was 10yrs old........my whole family and my wife's family on both sides are serious users, many are in law enforcement, active/retired military or competitive marksmen like myself............so, I'll end my input on the subject. Good to hear a responsible party will consider the options. Being an educated guy, he'll most likely enjoy the research and technical aspects of the of the purchasing and certification process. Also sorry to hear about your daughter's loss.....it's a very emotional time for her and I pray it doesn't leave any lasting trauma.......now's probably not the time for her to explore firearms purchases.....in time and with her husbands and your support, she'll be able to enjoy the whole process much better. Thanks for taking the time to acknowledge my rant......Like every lesson or information gathering event, knowledge/wisdom gained that is not also shared with other's, is selfishly wasted and has no intrinsic value...! |
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Post by account_disabled on Oct 2, 2019 4:47:59 GMT -5
Glad she had Fletcher. Hope she starts locking her doors.
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