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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 7, 2019 15:08:29 GMT -5
I made some tumbled crosses the other day. Here's a video if you'd like to see my process.
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Post by RocksInNJ on Dec 7, 2019 15:31:32 GMT -5
Lol, just watched a video last night of you doing the deer and crosses. That’s so awesome and omg your saw is so quiet.
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Post by aDave on Dec 7, 2019 15:42:57 GMT -5
Great video, Rob Jugglerguy. You covered everything that I would have wanted to know. Well done. |
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 7, 2019 16:39:44 GMT -5
Lol, just watched a video last night of you doing the deer and crosses. That’s so awesome and omg your saw is so quiet. The saw is quiet because I lowered the volume on the video. No one wants to hear that at full volume. |
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Post by RocksInNJ on Dec 7, 2019 17:33:18 GMT -5
Lol, just watched a video last night of you doing the deer and crosses. That’s so awesome and omg your saw is so quiet. The saw is quiet because I lowered the volume on the video. No one wants to hear that at full volume. Ahhh you tricky little devil you. Great videos as always and appreciate you sharing them. |
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Post by EricD on Dec 7, 2019 17:44:51 GMT -5
I made some tumbled crosses the other day. Here's a video if you'd like to see my process. If I use more than a half teaspoon of 220 grit in my Lot O, I start running into issues with it getting stuck near the bottom. I have filled the dimple, but if I use a full tablespoon of 220 I'm 90% likely to have a problem.
I wonder if the Lot O Twin just can't achieve the action that the single barrel units can.
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 7, 2019 19:46:45 GMT -5
I have no idea how the twin Lot-O works compared to the single barrel. It seems like something is wrong if you can't use as much grit as you'd like. You do have to keep an eye on it in the 220 stage because it will dry out more than in the other stages. I check it two or three times a day and usually have to give it a few squirts of water.
Rob
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Post by EricD on Dec 7, 2019 19:51:18 GMT -5
Are you using graded 220 or the 120/220?
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 7, 2019 19:59:20 GMT -5
Are you using graded 220 or the 120/220? 220, because I have a lot of it. I haven't found much difference in 220 or 120/220. I'd gladly use 120/220 if I had more of it. I used to use that all the time. I just responded to your other thread too. I don't know what The Rock is talking about when he told you that 120 is too coarse for the Lot-O. 60/90 is not supposed to be used because apparently it is too heavy and falls to the bottom, but 120/220 is no problem at all. |
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Post by aDave on Dec 7, 2019 20:19:25 GMT -5
If I use more than a half teaspoon of 220 grit in my Lot O, I start running into issues with it getting stuck near the bottom. I have filled the dimple, but if I use a full tablespoon of 220 I'm 90% likely to have a problem. I wonder if the Lot O Twin just can't achieve the action that the single barrel units can.
Early on with my Lot-O, I found a bunch of 120/220 at the bottom of the barrel. Initially, I cut back to 1 2/3 TBSP, and that helped a bit. But, after running multiple loads, I attribute the issue to 1) simply dumping in the grit all at once and, 2) spraying water right away after the grit was added. With what I've done, I would recommend that you titrate your grit when you add it. Don't just pour the spoon in one lump sum. Feather it...pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate...I think you get the picture. By adding smaller amounts of grit over a few minutes, the grit has a chance to stick to the material. One big dump of grit will result in grit at the bottom of your barrel. Spraying the material with water may also wash grit to the bottom of the barrel, so just be judicious about how soon you start spraying the stuff. If your material is adequately wetted when you start the 120/220 stage, there should be no reason to add water right away. Don't feel bad in your struggles with the Lot-O at the 120/220 stage. Many of us find this the most difficult stage to work with, as things will muddy up fairly quickly. |
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Post by HankRocks on Dec 7, 2019 20:23:56 GMT -5
Dang!! What is it about all you Michigan guys, don't you know to keep a Shop! where's all the clutter? where's all the debris from failed and past projects!! Seriously, Jugglerguy, Good job on a very informative Video, I bookmarked it for a future effort. One more item for "The" list. Henry |
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Post by RocksInNJ on Dec 7, 2019 20:27:08 GMT -5
I’m no pro by any means. In fact I’m a total noob, but from all that I’ve read and researched I’ve come to my own personal conclusion that every Lot-O is just a tad bit different, which result in one thing working for some, but not others. It seems a lot of it has to do with the dowel placement, which alone could cause a lot of different reactions. This is just my opinion though.
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Post by RocksInNJ on Dec 7, 2019 20:29:00 GMT -5
And on second thought what it’s mounted to and, where and how could affect and cause different results as well.
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Post by EricD on Dec 7, 2019 20:43:19 GMT -5
If I use more than a half teaspoon of 220 grit in my Lot O, I start running into issues with it getting stuck near the bottom. I have filled the dimple, but if I use a full tablespoon of 220 I'm 90% likely to have a problem. I wonder if the Lot O Twin just can't achieve the action that the single barrel units can.
Early on with my Lot-O, I found a bunch of 120/220 at the bottom of the barrel. Initially, I cut back to 1 2/3 TBSP, and that helped a bit. But, after running multiple loads, I attribute the issue to 1) simply dumping in the grit all at once and, 2) spraying water right away after the grit was added. With what I've done, I would recommend that you titrate your grit when you add it. Don't just pour the spoon in one lump sum. Feather it...pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate...I think you get the picture. By adding smaller amounts of grit over a few minutes, the grit has a chance to stick to the material. One big dump of grit will result in grit at the bottom of your barrel. Spraying the material with water may also wash grit to the bottom of the barrel, so just be judicious about how soon you start spraying the stuff. If your material is adequately wetted when you start the 120/220 stage, there should be no reason to add water right away. Don't feel bad in your struggles with the Lot-O at the 120/220 stage. Many of us find this the most difficult stage to work with, as things will muddy up fairly quickly. I take a good 3 or 4 circulations of the rocks to add 1/4 teaspoon, so it gets some time to circulate. I realize adding water after grit is kind of a no go situation, unless somehow you have some grit that just instantly makes a thick slurry. I find 1/2 teaspoon works great and is very easy to plan your day around. And works better than some may think at making the slurry and smoothing the stones. Just like using 1/2 teaspoon of 500 and polish. Why use 2tablespoons when you can use 1/2 teaspoon and get an equal result? |
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Post by aDave on Dec 7, 2019 20:53:25 GMT -5
Early on with my Lot-O, I found a bunch of 120/220 at the bottom of the barrel. Initially, I cut back to 1 2/3 TBSP, and that helped a bit. But, after running multiple loads, I attribute the issue to 1) simply dumping in the grit all at once and, 2) spraying water right away after the grit was added. With what I've done, I would recommend that you titrate your grit when you add it. Don't just pour the spoon in one lump sum. Feather it...pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate...I think you get the picture. By adding smaller amounts of grit over a few minutes, the grit has a chance to stick to the material. One big dump of grit will result in grit at the bottom of your barrel. Spraying the material with water may also wash grit to the bottom of the barrel, so just be judicious about how soon you start spraying the stuff. If your material is adequately wetted when you start the 120/220 stage, there should be no reason to add water right away. Don't feel bad in your struggles with the Lot-O at the 120/220 stage. Many of us find this the most difficult stage to work with, as things will muddy up fairly quickly. I take a good 3 or 4 circulations of the rocks to add 1/4 teaspoon, so it gets some time to circulate. I realize adding water after grit is kind of a no go situation, unless somehow you have some grit that just instantly makes a thick slurry. I find 1/2 teaspoon works great and is very easy to plan your day around. And works better than some may think at making the slurry and smoothing the stones. Just like using 1/2 teaspoon of 500 and polish. Why use 2tablespoons when you can use 1/2 teaspoon and get an equal result? Don't know that I have a good answer for you, but I do rely on the 120/220 stage to help smooth out some VERY minor imperfections and correcting some undercutting issues at times. More grit gives me the ability to do so, or so it seems. The beauty about this stuff is that nothing is set in stone (no pun intended). Sure, there are some basic guidelines, but personal experimentation usually results in folks following their own recipe at the end of the day. What really matters when things are done is if the user is happy with results when everything is done. For instance, my finishing stages in a rotary (after coarse) was 6-7 weeks. That's what my process migrated to after spending some time playing. Now, thank God, I got a Lot-O. Those 6-7 weeks have been turned into 7 days or so. |
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 7, 2019 20:58:56 GMT -5
If I use more than a half teaspoon of 220 grit in my Lot O, I start running into issues with it getting stuck near the bottom. I have filled the dimple, but if I use a full tablespoon of 220 I'm 90% likely to have a problem. I wonder if the Lot O Twin just can't achieve the action that the single barrel units can.
Early on with my Lot-O, I found a bunch of 120/220 at the bottom of the barrel. Initially, I cut back to 1 2/3 TBSP, and that helped a bit. But, after running multiple loads, I attribute the issue to 1) simply dumping in the grit all at once and, 2) spraying water right away after the grit was added. With what I've done, I would recommend that you titrate your grit when you add it. Don't just pour the spoon in one lump sum. Feather it...pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate...I think you get the picture. By adding smaller amounts of grit over a few minutes, the grit has a chance to stick to the material. One big dump of grit will result in grit at the bottom of your barrel. Spraying the material with water may also wash grit to the bottom of the barrel, so just be judicious about how soon you start spraying the stuff. If your material is adequately wetted when you start the 120/220 stage, there should be no reason to add water right away. Don't feel bad in your struggles with the Lot-O at the 120/220 stage. Many of us find this the most difficult stage to work with, as things will muddy up fairly quickly. Dumping it in all at once never occurred to me. I have always sprinkled it in as the rocks rolled. I don’t take a long time, but all the rocks get covered right away. |
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Post by Jugglerguy on Dec 7, 2019 21:00:56 GMT -5
Dang!! What is it about all you Michigan guys, don't you know to keep a Shop! where's all the clutter? where's all the debris from failed and past projects!! Seriously, Jugglerguy, Good job on a very informative Video, I bookmarked it for a future effort. One more item for "The" list. Henry You wouldn’t be so impressed if I turned the camera around. I just move all the mess behind the camera when I film. It’s not that messy though. I can always have it cleaned up in less than an hour. |
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Post by HankRocks on Dec 7, 2019 21:40:04 GMT -5
Dang!! What is it about all you Michigan guys, don't you know to keep a Shop! where's all the clutter? where's all the debris from failed and past projects!! Seriously, Jugglerguy , Good job on a very informative Video, I bookmarked it for a future effort. One more item for "The" list. Henry You wouldn’t be so impressed if I turned the camera around. I just move all the mess behind the camera when I film. It’s not that messy though. I can always have it cleaned up in less than an hour. I suppose I am not quite completely removed from my East Texas heritage, you know the idea that the whole family vehicular, appliance, and salvage find history is on prominent display around the estate grounds!! |
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Post by EricD on Dec 7, 2019 22:18:22 GMT -5
Early on with my Lot-O, I found a bunch of 120/220 at the bottom of the barrel. Initially, I cut back to 1 2/3 TBSP, and that helped a bit. But, after running multiple loads, I attribute the issue to 1) simply dumping in the grit all at once and, 2) spraying water right away after the grit was added. With what I've done, I would recommend that you titrate your grit when you add it. Don't just pour the spoon in one lump sum. Feather it...pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate, pour a little and let it circulate...I think you get the picture. By adding smaller amounts of grit over a few minutes, the grit has a chance to stick to the material. One big dump of grit will result in grit at the bottom of your barrel. Spraying the material with water may also wash grit to the bottom of the barrel, so just be judicious about how soon you start spraying the stuff. If your material is adequately wetted when you start the 120/220 stage, there should be no reason to add water right away. Don't feel bad in your struggles with the Lot-O at the 120/220 stage. Many of us find this the most difficult stage to work with, as things will muddy up fairly quickly. Dumping it in all at once never occurred to me. I have always sprinkled it in as the rocks rolled. I don’t take a long time, but all the rocks get covered right away. I don't think I would ever dump it all in at once either. Modify it, tune it, sure. |
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 8, 2019 9:54:47 GMT -5
Those crosses are cool... I need to get a "Vibe" tumbler and try it out... Someday..
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