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Post by knave on Feb 19, 2020 18:23:49 GMT -5
Hello eaRTHlings. As many of you may know I really enjoy this hobby and all the new things it brings. A logical next step as time and $$$ allows will be a cabbing machine. I haven’t spent large amounts of money on hobbies until now. Many of you allude to recovering some costs by selling what you create. I looked on eBay at cabochons. These things are selling for $1 or less with free shipping from China! I’m thinking best bet is local type markets, and emphasis on the “handmade” aspect of it. There’s a weekly farmers market in the summer here that has about 4000 people come through from 2 - 8 pm on Thursdays. What about random tumbles.... $10/lb? I know a lot depends on the material. Let’s say you get the rough for $3/lb. Like toiv0 says, “You can’t sell it if you don’t make it” Time for me to get busy having fun and making stuff with Britney. Thanks for reading, and looking forward to all thoughts and input.
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Post by stardiamond on Feb 19, 2020 19:04:35 GMT -5
I've been making cabs for over 15 years for my enjoyment. I didn't start selling until last year. I have more than 1000 that I will never try to sell and they are far better than the vast majority of cabs on ebay. Years ago, ebay was a place to sell cabs. Almost everyone has migrated to other sites. When I list a cab, I want it to be something that attracts interest. I spend time searching for affordable material that will make interesting cabs. The enjoyment is in the making. Years ago I did sports cards shows with my son. If income is a priority there are a lot better ways to get it. Some people do shows to get recognition for their work and as a social activity.
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Post by knave on Feb 19, 2020 19:10:24 GMT -5
Thank you stardiamond. I think you hit the nail on the head. The enjoyment is in the making. Not trying to make a big income, I have an ok income. Just trying to find a way to justify a couple purchases.
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Post by stardiamond on Feb 19, 2020 19:23:42 GMT -5
I had two goals when I started selling; having my work seen and making the hobby self funding. I had over 2000 cabs sitting in Riker boxes and there is no point to that. The self funding is the best part. When I was working, I had a good income. My retirement income is far less but adequate. It doesn't feel good to spend a lot of money on material and supplies, but I'm selling enough to buy whatever I want and good material is much more fun to work on than lesser material. Over the years, I've had non-buyers remorse, but those days are gone.
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Post by rads on Feb 19, 2020 19:27:58 GMT -5
!00% agree with everything Stardiamond wrote above, I don't believe I will every make big money at what we do. I don't ever remember laying out a cab thinking about how much it will make me, it's not my approach. Sometimes it is just for the art of getting a perfect cab, which may not be the most "economical" use of a particular slab to cut the middle for that super 40 x 30 mm. It is an art form that is truly the oldest is human history and what you make is forever.....it is "in stone".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 19:46:01 GMT -5
Some sites, such as the bay and amazon, do seem to have moved to mostly catering to Asian factories which pump out barrelfuls of cookie-cutter cabs from tons of material they buy up each year. They get preferential fees, subsidized shipping, and rely on labor that is paid by the piece (if they are paid at all). Most of my acquaintances who sold there in the past have set up their own sites, moved to other venues, and/or creating and selling finished jewels to contain their cabs.
A few have stuck it out, but they are not doing cabs with standard shapes/sizes and now concentrate on cabbing only the harder-to-find gemstone materials for which collectors and jewel designers will pay good money. That should apply to any venue on which you sell. Even for second-quality pieces can sell, but there has to be something special about it. It is impossible to compete with the mass-production Asian factories if all you are selling are 18x13 and 40x30 Brazilian agate cabs - it will be like paying the bay for the "privilege" of spending hours creating photographs, descriptions, figuring shipping costs, packing, etc. - for items that may not sell at all. But if you enjoy that part, too, then it may still be a satisfying way to get rid of excess stock (and even if not, it may be worth it to sell there just as a backdoor way to advertise your own site). As mentioned, shows could be a fun way to move some of your stock if the charges for space isn't too burdensome - best part of rock and gem shows is meeting other rockhounds and craftspeople.
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Post by toiv0 on Feb 19, 2020 19:51:17 GMT -5
If you see what you get from China or India you will realize why it's so cheap. Look at the hand holding the cab and you will probably see an oily hand. Makes the stone shine though. My friend made cabs in bulk thinking quality over quality. @alicat218 can verify I have thousands of his cabs that need to be reworked and some of them aren't re doing. If you are selling cabs at the flea or farmers market I don't think a cab machine will be your ticket. There's been one for sale on Chicago Craigslist for years. I traded w.ails with him for a month. Must be a scam of some sorts because it's always there.
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Post by toiv0 on Feb 19, 2020 20:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by pizzano on Feb 19, 2020 20:02:35 GMT -5
Hello eaRTHlings. As many of you may know I really enjoy this hobby and all the new things it brings. A logical next step as time and $$$ allows will be a cabbing machine. I haven’t spent large amounts of money on hobbies until now. Many of you allude to recovering some costs by selling what you create. I looked on eBay at cabochons. These things are selling for $1 or less with free shipping from China! I’m thinking best bet is local type markets, and emphasis on the “handmade” aspect of it. There’s a weekly farmers market in the summer here that has about 4000 people come through from 2 - 8 pm on Thursdays. What about random tumbles.... $10/lb? I know a lot depends on the material. Let’s say you get the rough for $3/lb. Like toiv0 says, “You can’t sell it if you don’t make it” Time for me to get busy having fun and making stuff with Britney. Thanks for reading, and looking forward to all thoughts and input. As you are probably aware, it's a niche market. Most who have success at it started it as a hobby then attempted to make a return on their capital outlay (return on investment), found a niche that satisfied their production (the stuff they enjoy making), refined their production abilities and output, and then started selling to friends and at local trade shows, eventually on-line.......once a return had been reached (what ever the goal was....yes, you need to set a reasonable goal), more than likely, and by this time, most have started an inventory (backlog), to keep production rolling and to cover the additional expenditures..........it helps to have an established (written down) business plan. Whether it's going to be a casual, laid-back adventure or a more serious start-up with ROI as the goal, best laid plans seldom work out as excepted........you'll need contingencies........Find your niche first, pencil out the costs (overhead, break-even aspects), research what the market will bare, give yourself a production schedule and have at it...........It won't take to much time to find out if your "cut-out" for the ride, depending on how much up-front "disposable income" and time you end up investing........... If you stop enjoying the adventure, it may come-back-around as just another hobby we spend $$$ on.....!
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Post by joshuamcduffie on Feb 19, 2020 20:06:02 GMT -5
I think you could sell tumbles by the piece at the farmers market, say .50 or $1 each. Kids would buy them. Also sell them as fridge magnets for $2 or 3 each. Cabs are more of a specialty item. I think you’d do better with finished jewelry than bare cabs.
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Post by joshuamcduffie on Feb 19, 2020 20:12:44 GMT -5
Having the hobby be self funding or close to it is the dream. In truth, I’m better off working some OT, which for me means travel. It’s way more lucrative than selling rocks at my level. I can make a few hundred extra a day if I go abroad, but it’s not worth the time away from the kids. You can’t get back the reading, tucking in, snuggles, and hugs. That’s more meaningful than a cab machine. Someday I’ll get one, though.
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Post by stardiamond on Feb 19, 2020 20:31:05 GMT -5
I played golf before starting with lapidary. Unless a person is a pro or a hustler, there is no physical product produced. Generating income from lapidary allows the purchase of better material. A gourmet cook wants to use the best ingredients. Even when I had more income, I couldn't justify buying more expensive material because it was only a hobby. I'm not trying to make an hourly wage so if I can sell a cab for more than the cost of the material and supplies, I can buy the rough or slabs.
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Post by knave on Feb 19, 2020 20:35:45 GMT -5
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Post by MsAli on Feb 19, 2020 20:38:26 GMT -5
If you see what you get from China or India you will realize why it's so cheap. Look at the hand holding the cab and you will probably see an oily hand. Makes the stone shine though. My friend made cabs in bulk thinking quality over quality. @alicat218 can verify I have thousands of his cabs that need to be reworked and some of them aren't re doing. If you are selling cabs at the flea or farmers market I don't think a cab machine will be your ticket. There's been one for sale on Chicago Craigslist for years. I traded w.ails with him for a month. Must be a scam of some sorts because it's always there. It is true, there is a whole bleep ton of cabs that need to be re-worked I could actually spend hours looking and not see even half of them
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Post by knave on Feb 19, 2020 21:15:29 GMT -5
To me, there’s much more enjoyment taking my time and making a beautiful piece, than “just about right” type stuff. I know I’m talking like I’ve been cabbing for years, but even if it’s not beautiful by pro standards it’s my best and that feels good. It’s tempting to rush but it’s like chess, if you study the board a bit longer a better move is found.
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Post by pizzano on Feb 19, 2020 21:36:12 GMT -5
To me, there’s much more enjoyment taking my time and making a beautiful piece, than “just about right” type stuff. I know I’m talking like I’ve been cabbing for years, but even if it’s not beautiful by pro standards it’s my best and that feels good. It’s tempting to rush but it’s like chess, if you study the board a bit longer a better move is found. With one major exception to Chess........study the board all you want, there are only going to be a handful of pre-determined moves that can be made. It has it's limitations and expectations.....! Once, and only those who master it, have it down, it becomes just who's going to make the worst mistake first........it's not like so many other games of chance were luck plays a part more often than not.....! With Art, which is, to some extent, what you are producing with stone material, there are no limits outside of your ability, imagination and the type of tools you use..........it's way more "creative" than any game were there are limitations and boundaries.........that's were the personal satisfaction element comes into play. Rarely, try as one may, will any two pieces ever turn out identical.........due to all the obvious factors involved......Just a thought....!
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Post by knave on Feb 19, 2020 21:45:27 GMT -5
It’s almost intimidating how well-worded some of you are. You could author a book with that stuff. Chess has a certain % of art to it. It’s a balancing act of time and quality moves.... and knowing where the pivotal moments are. I just played a 1700 rated player, (online) and it was like the difference between a $1 slab and a piece of gorgeous Pietersite. And I almost beat him too.
The same way you have limited good moves in chess, you can only cut what’s in front of you with rocks. You want a high quality slab to get the heart racing? Get your wallet out. Lol
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Post by stardiamond on Feb 19, 2020 21:58:36 GMT -5
The chess in making a cab is deciding what to frame, how to frame it, what are the defects and how to work around them and how the pattern will change as the stone is ground down. Like chess, the strategy changes based on the opponent's(the rock) moves and past experience with the opponent(the rock).
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Post by knave on Feb 19, 2020 22:41:39 GMT -5
Gonna see for myself....
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Post by stardiamond on Feb 20, 2020 0:13:08 GMT -5
Buying lapidary material from domestic sellers requires some trust. With sellers from India, searches need to be modified. When I search for Butterfly Jasper, I get hundreds of results. When I search for Butterfly Jasper slab I get a handful with very few for what I am looking for. The correct term is Butterfly Wing Jasper I get 34 results none of which I am looking for. Butterfly Wing Jasper comes from Mexico and is also called Mariposite which is also a material from California. What is being sold by the sellers from India is described as from Africa and looks similar.
Nipomo Marcasite is also another search I do. Same number of results as Butterfly. If I add the word slab I get what I'm looking for and a small number of results. Nipomo is in California and What the sellers from India list as Nipomo is actually from Indonesia.
It isn't fraud because the source ot the material is in the detailed description, but it is misleading.
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