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Post by glennz01 on Mar 9, 2020 2:46:49 GMT -5
Any thick oil additive does the same thing, in the snake oil section of the parts store. Lee, Bardahl no smoke made my saw go from needing 30 minutes to let the mist settle after a cut to I can open it soon as it's done. I'm with you on snake oil for car people, but this product actually made a difference in my 24" frantom Well wallmart is sold out so Napa here I come... When next open lol |
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Post by Peruano on Mar 9, 2020 8:27:12 GMT -5
I suspect Lee was referring to generic "no smoke" and suggesting that several alternatives (most cheaper) will do the job. We all know about snake oil that will save our geriatric engine, or replace a ring job, but luckily rock saws are not as fickle.
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 9, 2020 13:09:57 GMT -5
Any thick oil additive does the same thing, in the snake oil section of the parts store. Lee, Bardahl no smoke made my saw go from needing 30 minutes to let the mist settle after a cut to I can open it soon as it's done. I'm with you on snake oil for car people, but this product actually made a difference in my 24" frantom I have used them as well, my terminology is in regards to the layout of a parts store, not the usefulness of the product in saws. Without it my FranTom 24 still has mist in it after hours. |
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 9, 2020 13:12:41 GMT -5
Once my oil has been reclaimed through the paper bag filter it seems to mist less as well.
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Post by glennz01 on Mar 9, 2020 21:36:22 GMT -5
Once my oil has been reclaimed through the paper bag filter it seems to mist less as well. 5 gallon bucket filter works well |
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Post by Rockoonz on Mar 9, 2020 21:50:18 GMT -5
Once my oil has been reclaimed through the paper bag filter it seems to mist less as well. 5 gallon bucket filter works well That's what I use, 2 buckets stacked with the paper grocery bag filter in the top one, which has holes drilled in the bottom. |
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Post by 1dave on Mar 10, 2020 7:51:29 GMT -5
5 gallon bucket filter works well That's what I use, 2 buckets stacked with the paper grocery bag filter in the top one, which has holes drilled in the bottom. Wrap a rope or something around the top bucket so it doesn't stick inside the bottom one.  |
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Post by glennz01 on Mar 11, 2020 15:58:51 GMT -5
I just let everything settle and take the oil off the top
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Post by agatemaggot on Mar 11, 2020 16:45:08 GMT -5
Oil for saws larger than a tile saw. Anything else will effect blade life. Use a covered tub with a strong solvent for degreasing overnight. In a hurry ? scrub with a brush !
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Post by glennz01 on Mar 24, 2020 16:45:18 GMT -5
Got the stop smoke. Definitally works, still a little mist thus far looking without cussing anything but nothing like before. Can't wait to cut since my hours got chopped.
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Post by woodman on Mar 24, 2020 17:52:46 GMT -5
I use diesel in my 30 inch saw and Used ATF in my 18 and 24. oven to cook out the oil.
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Post by jamesp on Mar 25, 2020 2:15:13 GMT -5
I use diesel in my 30 inch saw and Used ATF in my 18 and 24. oven to cook out the oil. What does the oven do woodman ? Ah, an oven to cook the oil out of the sawn rock. A month or two of summer Georgia sunshine on a black rubber mat works here lol. |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 25, 2020 2:56:07 GMT -5
In the saw shops in Brazil they used diesel according to friend that used to buy polished on both sides slabs direct.
Doubt they had a Brazilian EPA...
He never mentioned additives; I never asked. Nor did we discuss ventilation or air quality in the large operations. But some were large operations with many saws under one roof.
They were meticulous about maintaining their saw blades to not leave scratches.
He purchased a 40 foot shipping container filled with 55 ballon drums each loaded with 660 pounds of polished-on-both sides slabs annually.
At +/- $3/pound depending on AAA-AA-A-B quality. Mostly 2.5 to 6 inches diameter.
This was a decade ago. At about that time he got out of buying from them because China had started buying the Brazilian mines up.
Prices jumped to $8 to $10/pound. The Brazilian govt. began to crack down on the environmentally abusive Chinese mining methods.
Quality material became hard to find. He quit making/selling his candle thingies.
He had been traveling to Brazil annually for about 20 years. Stayed a month and visiting saw and mining operations of all sizes from family owned Mom and Pop to corporate sizes.
Hand picking material for shipment. Some shops were unscrupulous and would fill the bottom of the barrel with lower quality, cap the top with his hand picked stuff.
But what amazed him was their 1 step slab polishing operations.
They used long horizontally oriented diamond sanding belts 5 to 6 feet long on top fold, polish only, running at high speeds.
The operator would place the slab on their finger tips and quickly flip it on the belt and hold it while moving the slab back and forth on it's 12 inch width.
Until the slab heated to some fairly high level and then slid it off the edge of the belt and into a padded basket. One at a time.
Brazil also had a nasty dangerous practice of sending 'small' people into caves to place blasting caps in strategic locations to remove the cathedral amethyst geodes.
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Post by woodman on Mar 25, 2020 9:20:53 GMT -5
I use diesel in my 30 inch saw and Used ATF in my 18 and 24. oven to cook out the oil. What does the oven do woodman ? Ah, an oven to cook the oil out of the sawn rock. A month or two of summer Georgia sunshine on a black rubber mat works here lol. Diesel cooks out pretty good if left in the sun, but i have enough laying around as it is and like to keep moving the process along a bit quicker. Have to be careful with some material as heat will change it, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. |
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Post by jamesp on Mar 25, 2020 9:44:09 GMT -5
Odd how petroleum bases are such high performing fluids for most any endeavor. It does leave a small though. I know you cut big wood being in Oregon woodman. Crazy thing, in Florida we find large coral heads and many large saws are used there too to cut it. It is dense and very hard, requires healthy saw set up. I learned diesel from that bunch as it is commonly used there. |
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Post by woodman on Mar 25, 2020 21:01:53 GMT -5
I was using water on a diamond bladed drag saw and it sort of worked with the softer materials, but when i got some harder materials it would stop cutting real quick, I switched to using diesel and it cuts like a champ. I know a number of high volume cutters that use diesel. some add oil some don't, they don't get in hurry to open the saws tho.
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Post by toiv0 on Mar 25, 2020 22:41:47 GMT -5
I was using water on a diamond bladed drag saw and it sort of worked with the softer materials, but when i got some harder materials it would stop cutting real quick, I switched to using diesel and it cuts like a champ. I know a number of high volume cutters that use diesel. some add oil some don't, they don't get in hurry to open the saws tho. A neighbors garage burned down before I got into rocks. One of my friends told me he used diesel in his rock saw and that was why it went up. I personally can't stand the smell of diesel or gear oil. Always keep an extra set of clothes at work and try to refuel in the afternoon so I don't smell it all day. |
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Post by woodman on Mar 26, 2020 9:25:06 GMT -5
I was using water on a diamond bladed drag saw and it sort of worked with the softer materials, but when i got some harder materials it would stop cutting real quick, I switched to using diesel and it cuts like a champ. I know a number of high volume cutters that use diesel. some add oil some don't, they don't get in hurry to open the saws tho. A neighbors garage burned down before I got into rocks. One of my friends told me he used diesel in his rock saw and that was why it went up. I personally can't stand the smell of diesel or gear oil. Always keep an extra set of clothes at work and try to refuel in the afternoon so I don't smell it all day. there is a danger of fire in using any petroleum product, i like the smell, i worked for 35 years around jet fuel and kind of got used to the smell. I don't even smell diesel but the wife sure does!! if your oil produces heavy misting, don't open the saw until it has settled down. would be interesting to know what caused the fire. diesel is just the fuel for the fire, it did not start the fire in and of itself. thee are different choices out there, use what you feel is good for you. |
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