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Post by Tweetiepy on Jun 28, 2005 21:54:31 GMT -5
Okay, so it's not a shark tooth , it's not even a very good wrap (I tried) and maybe it COULD kinda be passed off as a pendant I guess . But here is my effort to try this - it looked much better in the instructions. I THINK this is moss agate. Someone had posted a pic of a "shark tooth" not too long ago, this may be one way to wrap it - I think it was Cher Darn tool marks - serves me right for using crappy wire
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Post by Tweetiepy on Jun 28, 2005 21:55:32 GMT -5
Just looking at the picture, the picture in the book looked SOOOO much better - is it too late to delete this post
SANDS HELP!
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Post by docone31 on Jun 28, 2005 22:17:57 GMT -5
Tweety, if it had been a real shark tooth, you would have been able to do it the way you saw the picture. One of these days, I will do a shark tooth and send in a photo. I collect Megladon teeth. I have one that measures 4" across, 6" deep. I plan on doing a basket weave wrap similiar to the one Ed Sinclair does. Next time, take a #3 phillips head screw driver. Cut 14" of silver wire. Find the center and go around the screwdriver twice. That is your lace loop. Twist this wire 8 full times. This will bring the twist down to the middle of the tooth. With both wires coming one at a time, on each side, cross the one on one side in front of the tooth and go around the twisted wire on top. Take the other wire and go across the tooth, wrapping on the twisted wire in the opposite direction. Use only one twist on each side. Take one of the wires coming from the top, and to to the next side, next to the wire it came from, under the side of the tooth near the end, and bring it back up to the twisted neck. Do the same with the other side. This will give you two wires on each side of the tooth, with the wire ends going around the twisted neck, one on each side. Take one, and turn it around the twisted wire four or five times. Take the other one and go the other way, four or five times. Take each remaining end and make a swirl to cover the intersection of the neck wires. Make one on each side. It takes 3/8" of wire to make a loop. Measure 1 1/2" and cut off to make the swirls. Easy way to wrap teeth. The other way, is to start at the bottom of the tooth. Use the 14" piece of wire, bend it around a ring mandrel around size three, or four. make eight twists, go straight up, bend around a phillips head screw driver and come down. Then wrap the wires around the sides of the tooth like the first technique I showed. Make the wire that is loose tight by taking chain link pliers, gripping in the center of the exposed wire, and twisting 90*. This I use as my signature on teeth. It is my lightning slash trademark. I have people coming to me from all over the country for that wrap. Should work well for you also. Nice first try. If you use the lightning slash technique on the front wires, it will clean right up and probably look better than the one you were trying to duplicate. From the sides to the neck, grip in the center and twist to the inside. Hold the outside portion of the wire to be twisted with your thumbnail to keep it in place. Make sure the twists look alike. The lower one can go almost 180*. Try it, you will go hmmmm. I have saved quite a few of my early pieces that way.
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Post by creativeminded on Jun 29, 2005 8:38:58 GMT -5
That is a good start, I have had stones that look like shark teeth too and that is how I wrapped them. Tami
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Post by Cher on Jun 29, 2005 9:18:24 GMT -5
Yeah, that was me with my fake tooth. I'm thinking I'll just drill that one seeing as how it's for my grandson but not sure yet. Awww Tweety, I hate to tell you this, but the crappy wire is not the reason for the tool marks ... it's the tools, the user and this little thing called impatience. That darn "patience" word seems to sneak into all aspects of working with rocks doesn't it.
The tools are most important, making sure they are completely smooth. Even though mine are called smooth jawed, I sanded the edges to make sure. And I find the round ones really make marks easy. I also find that when I'm getting tired or impatient, I tend to make marks on the wire. If you get frustrated, lay it down and walk away, even for a few minutes, it will help.
What kind of wire are you using? Is it dead-soft? Don't give up and keep practicing, you'll there.
Cher
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Post by Tweetiepy on Jun 29, 2005 9:41:12 GMT -5
Yeah Cher I'm working with crappy wire, even though I bought & got some very good sterling silver wire - thought I'd practice before with the crappy stuff - the wire is half-hard AND work hardened with nylon jaw pliers - I find the round nose pliers leave marks if you're holding the wire
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Post by Cher on Jun 29, 2005 9:45:47 GMT -5
Yes, my round nose pliers leave marks even though I've sanded them. They are just cheap pliers but I can't afford the good ones. I try not to use them too much because of that. It's hard trying to hang on to the slippery shiny stones isn't it. What was the book that you got this idea from? Did you buy one on wire wrapping?
Cher
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Post by Tweetiepy on Jun 29, 2005 10:06:30 GMT -5
The magazine I have is called Wire Artist Jeweller - used to be called "Wired" - the stuff in there is great step by step pictured instructions! - they have wire jewellry as well as a few wrapping ideas I also wanted to try wrapping a stone for a ring - I have an amethyst chip/chunk that may be the right size to try this. But I need a different issue for those instructions - I may try the library for back issues. I recommend the magazines a great read too
I also bought a book on wire wrapping called "Making Bead & Wire Jewelry by Dawn Cusick ". The pictures are very nice but the instructions are all verbal and no accompanying pictures, so if you get confused, you're S-O-L - I don't really recommend that one for that particular reason - they also feature jewelry using the wigjig, but do not indicate how to use it - WigJig University is excellent for that wigjig.com
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Post by Cher on Jun 29, 2005 11:02:23 GMT -5
Tweet, I took your pic and cut it apart to try and explain what I'd do. I'll make references to the Fig #'s, hope I can do this so it's understandable. Please remember, this is just a suggestion. Look at Fig 1 and Fig 2. Your wraps on the sides should look like the wrap you did in Fig 2. The first part, Fig 3 is to hold the bottom secure. After you have the shape of the stone, you should keep the wires straight and wrap one wire (front or back) around the other like you have it in Fig 2. Close and tight, wrapping straight out from the stone. If you were looking down at the top of the stone, the wire around it should look like this in Fig 5. After you've wrapped out far enough (as far as you want it), bring the wrapped section up against the stone as in Fig 6. Bring one wire to the front, one to the back and pull them up together at the top center of the stone. At the top, use your flat nose pliers to make a slight bend in 3 of the wires to point them straight up from the top of the stone. Fold the wires over something to make the bail and bring them back down to meet. Use your pliers to straighten them slightly so they meet together snuggly. Once folded, you'll have 6 wires together which you wrap with the 4th wire to tie the bail together as shown in Fig 7. Hope I didn't confuse you completely. If you're not sure of the last part, I think I can make pics to explain. Sorry it took so long to put it up for you. Cher
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stefan
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Post by stefan on Jun 29, 2005 12:19:19 GMT -5
WOW i'm lost! Tweet cool attempt. Doc you lost me at shark tooth- Ahhh this is why I don't attempt to wrap!
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Post by Tweetiepy on Jun 29, 2005 15:25:01 GMT -5
Cher thanks for that rundown, I think it would have looked so much better your way, but in the picture they had gold square wire which looked cool (but I think square & half round look much nicer on these wraps anyways). They had the twists at the side, but I agree, wraps would have been better - I may take it apart & do that instead - Those slippery stones ARE very hard to hold on to
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Post by Cher on Jun 29, 2005 15:35:36 GMT -5
Tweety, something that also helps. You can make the coil of one side without it being on the stone so you don't have to deal with the slippery sides. Then wrap it around the stone and mark it with a magic marker or something ... just a dot so you know where to start the wrap for the other side. Once you get the two side coils done, the rest will be much easier.
Cher
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Post by krazydiamond on Jun 29, 2005 15:42:42 GMT -5
wow, cool diagrams, Cher....! i'm almost tempted to try....nah.
Tweet, at least you're trying! like this "patience" stuff Cher mentioned, there is a lot of "practice" stuff involved too.
patience + practice = perfect?
maybe.
KD
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Post by Cher on Jun 29, 2005 16:01:29 GMT -5
Thanks KD Hey, you could do it, I know you could. With all the talent you have it would be a piece of cake! Find yourself a shark tooth like stone and give it a go.
Cher
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Post by rockyraccoon on Jun 29, 2005 23:02:02 GMT -5
tweetie not a thing wrong with that wrap. put it on a piece of leather cord and wear it!
kim
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Post by stefan on Jun 30, 2005 9:08:33 GMT -5
KD there is a law in NY- we are not allowed to wrap! sorry
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Post by ArkieRockhound on Jun 30, 2005 22:32:12 GMT -5
You're doing great! The next one will be much easier. I'll have to try that one myself. Trish
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