EricD
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Post by EricD on Nov 8, 2020 18:54:18 GMT -5
That is a beautiful cab! You did a great job! Doesn't fingernail polish remover dissolve superglue still? I used to use it when I made models and accidentally glued myself to the metal or plastic. Yes, acetone should do it. I'm really not a fan of the stuff unless it has to be used |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 8, 2020 19:07:13 GMT -5
jasoninsd good job on the cab! It already looks to have a pre-polish on it.
Have you considered picking up a few tubes of diamond paste (say, 1200, 3000 and 14,000) and some felt buffs and mandrels that you could use in the Dremel? Would make it relatively easy to get a shine on that stone.
Just a thought ...
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 8, 2020 19:09:50 GMT -5
I tried using AO polish as a "paste" and used the buffing pad on the dremel to work it onto the first cab I made. I didn't think it really did much of anything...maybe I didn't use enough or didn't buff it long enough. Hmmmm. It should only take 5 minutes even by hand to see a difference if it did indeed just need some polish.
Yeah I love the super glue, but if it's a fracture prone piece it WILL blow apart popping it off. Some/all the glue will remain on the stone, just shave it off with a razor... wearing chain mail gloves... Unless you're confident in your method. 
Nothing like pressure on a razor being suddenly released into your fingers opposite the blade. Doesn't happen often, and super glue is a good fix for that too
Edit: The super glue will also tear out strands in tiger eye and chunks of softer stones. Haven't found freezing or heating or soaking to help any...
It wouldn't have occurred to me about the "blowing apart"...will need to be careful. I need to invest in some chain mail gloves...or even better would be an entire suit! LOL - I know me...I like to think I'm not really accident prone...but I'm struggling with typing this as one of my fingers is wrapped in medical tape! LOL |
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 8, 2020 19:17:38 GMT -5
That is a beautiful cab! You did a great job! Doesn't fingernail polish remover disolve superglue still? I used to use it when I made models and accidently glued myself to the metal or plastic. Thank you so much! I'm gonna mention again how wonderful your new garden looks!!! I know my wife has some fingernail polish somewhere... jasoninsd good job on the cab! It already looks to have a pre-polish on it.
Have you considered picking up a few tubes of diamond past (say, 1200, 3000 and 14,000) and some felt buffs and mandrels that you could use in the Dremel? Would make it relatively easy to get a shine on that stone.
Just a thought ...
I wasn't sure about the paste as I hadn't done enough research...or more to the point ANY reading on it. I'm thinking you might be right on the money with this one. I'll do some checking on where to pick some up. Thank you so much for the suggestion!  |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 8, 2020 19:36:38 GMT -5
It's pretty easy. Just use a separate felt buff for each grit and then keep them separated in plastic bags so you don't cross contaminate them. Heck, throw the tube of diamond paste in with the corresponding buff to keep everything separate. Get some extender fluid to use with the diamond paste. Just a drop or two on the buff is all you need.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 8, 2020 21:48:49 GMT -5
It's pretty easy. Just use a separate felt buff for each grit and then keep them separated in plastic bags so you don't cross contaminate them. Heck, throw the tube of diamond paste in with the corresponding buff to keep everything separate. Get some extender fluid to use with the diamond paste. Just a drop or two on the buff is all you need.
Not gonna lie. I had to research the extender fluid! I hope I figured it out...basically it's the same as a silicone spray which when used on a felt pad, will allow the diamond paste to adhere to the felt pad better. Did I get that right? |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Nov 8, 2020 21:57:11 GMT -5
It's pretty easy. Just use a separate felt buff for each grit and then keep them separated in plastic bags so you don't cross contaminate them. Heck, throw the tube of diamond paste in with the corresponding buff to keep everything separate. Get some extender fluid to use with the diamond paste. Just a drop or two on the buff is all you need.
Not gonna lie. I had to research the extender fluid! I hope I figured it out...basically it's the same as a silicone spray which when used on a felt pad, will allow the diamond paste to adhere to the felt pad better. Did I get that right? Kind of. Actually it helps the diamond paste spread on the buff a little easier. The diamond is in a binder that is pretty thick, so you need a bit of the extender fluid to move the diamonds around a bit. |
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Post by stephan on Nov 8, 2020 22:31:14 GMT -5
Nice job. That’s an interesting stone. If you get the high polish it will really look cool. Well done on the shape. I don’t do that well with a Genie.
“Dopping” is helpful for control and saving fingertips. Be aware that with the time of year, actual sop wax isn’t recommended unless you have a heated place to work. Rocks fall off the wax in the cold — in fact, that’s how you get the stone off the dop stick: you put it in the freezer. Superglue works pretty well, and removes easily with acetone, which is easy to reuse in a sealable jar. The only drawback I’ve found to that method is that it won’t work if you stabilized fractures. Not using acetone has resulted in me pulling chunks out of softer stones (the saddest one was a nice piece of dino bone).
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 8, 2020 23:20:11 GMT -5
Nice job. That’s an interesting stone. If you get the high polish it will really look cool. Well done on the shape. I don’t do that well with a Genie. “Dopping” is helpful for control and saving fingertips. Be aware that with the time of year, actual sop wax isn’t recommended unless you have a heated place to work. Rocks fall off the wax in the cold — in fact, that’s how you get the stone off the dop stick: you put it in the freezer. Superglue works pretty well, and removes easily with acetone, which is easy to reuse in a sealable jar. The only drawback I’ve found to that method is that it won’t work if you stabilized fractures. Not using acetone has resulted in me pulling chunks out of softer stones (the saddest one was a nice piece of dino bone). Thanks Stephan! I wished I knew what that stone was...the colors and tones turned out better than I was thinking they were going to...and holy smokes it cut like it's up there on the mohs scale (or it really seemed to)! Since I'll be working out in the unheated garage this winter, I was welling up when I was reading what you posted about the cold...then the dam broke and the floodgates of tears poured down when I read it was the dino bone which was damaged!  All I kept hearing in my head was:  |
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Post by stephan on Nov 9, 2020 0:06:53 GMT -5
jasoninsd LOL! Something flowed when the dino bone broke, but it wasn't tears. 
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 9, 2020 7:03:22 GMT -5
Nice job! That's a fairly difficult shape for a newbie, but you pulled it off. Who knew you could get a cab that looks like that from that rough? Well done!
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 9, 2020 7:40:02 GMT -5
Nice job! That's a fairly difficult shape for a newbie, but you pulled it off. Who knew you could get a cab that looks like that from that rough? Well done! Thanks Tela! I'm glad I didn't know it was supposed to be difficult beforehand!  I think this one will be dubbed "The Ugly Duckling"! It definitely turned out prettier than I was expecting. I was merely trying to practice on "something" before attacking any "valued" material! I ordered some diamond paste (five different grits) last night and I'll try and polish this one and my first cab with that to see if I can get a luster going on these... |
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Nov 9, 2020 18:57:27 GMT -5
Nice cab there jasoninsd - and it sounds like you're gearing up to make it a lot easier.
One thing you might try is turning your Dremel into a "fixed point" setup. Just mount the Dremel - or handpiece if you have a flex shaft on it - onto a solid surface so you can hold the stone or dop stick with both hands. That should make it easier to keep consistent pressure on the stone.
Any number of ways to do this. Two small saddles bolted to a piece of plywood would be one way. You could clamp that to the edge of a table or workbench. Just pad the Dremel with some foam rubber (or whatever) so it's snug without too much pressure on the housing.
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fishnpinball
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Post by fishnpinball on Nov 9, 2020 20:27:58 GMT -5
Doing great for limited equipment. You can polish with a dremel if you get the right bits.
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Post by jasoninsd on Nov 9, 2020 21:35:31 GMT -5
Nice cab there jasoninsd - and it sounds like you're gearing up to make it a lot easier.
One thing you might try is turning your Dremel into a "fixed point" setup. Just mount the Dremel - or handpiece if you have a flex shaft on it - onto a solid surface so you can hold the stone or dop stick with both hands. That should make it easier to keep consistent pressure on the stone.
Any number of ways to do this. Two small saddles bolted to a piece of plywood would be one way. You could clamp that to the edge of a table or workbench. Just pad the Dremel with some foam rubber (or whatever) so it's snug without too much pressure on the housing.
Thanks you so much for the comment on the cab! Thanks for bringing up making the dremel stationary. I've been pondering doing exactly this. I probably would've forgot to cushion the housing, so I'm glad you mentioned that. I have a pool cue "lathe" used for shaft repairs that I think would work the same as making the dremel into a fixed point setup. I'm not sure I want to convert it over to lapidary just yet, so I'm leaning toward securing the dremel... Doing great for limited equipment. You can polish with a dremel if you get the right bits. Thanks! By the way...I found those six Fairburns the other day right over in that area in Railroad Buttes I took you guys to this summer...just in a little bit further! |
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Post by fishnpinball on Nov 10, 2020 1:43:12 GMT -5
That was a big score
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Post by NDK on Nov 11, 2020 12:50:26 GMT -5
Beautiful cab jason. You're well in your way! A side note about superglue (also the only thing I've ever used) - I use 3/8 aluminum rod for my dop sticks. Then when done with the cab clamp the stick in a vise and use a torch to heat the stick. The glue softens from the heat quick and no more blow out on the back 👍 EricD |
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EricD
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Post by EricD on Nov 11, 2020 13:04:35 GMT -5
Beautiful cab jason. You're well in your way! A side note about superglue (also the only thing I've ever used) - I use 3/8 aluminum rod for my dop sticks. Then when done with the cab clamp the stick in a vise and use a torch to heat the stick. The glue softens from the heat quick and no more blow out on the back 👍 EricD I'm going to steal that method Thanks!
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Post by Pat on Nov 11, 2020 13:53:54 GMT -5
Another thought: when I dop,I use a flathead metal nail and Locktite gel.
Lay the nail on a firebrick with the cab hanging over the edge. Put a soft cloth under the cab, so it won’t roll or break when it falls off the dop/nail. Heat the nail with a torch (mini butane), slowly. That melts the gel, and the cab will slowly slide off. Takes just a minute or two. Good luck!
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Post by Pat on Nov 11, 2020 14:39:38 GMT -5
Hmmmm, yes. What EricD said... 😀 |
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