cabjunky
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Post by cabjunky on Dec 1, 2020 10:13:55 GMT -5
I have been doing spheres for myself and family members for the last several years. I have now been approached by several people asking for me to do their materials into spheres. I am trying to find out what a resonable fee is to charge for this service? I know that most cutters charge by the inch of finished sphere, and further based on if the stone is a soft material(marble), or Hard(Agate/Petrified wood).
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Fossilman
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 1, 2020 10:34:06 GMT -5
I usually go to a rock site and see what prices they are charging, than just equal it out..
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Post by AzRockGeek on Dec 1, 2020 11:04:52 GMT -5
As a sphere maker, I do not know how you can put a fair charge on this to make it worth your effort. It will take some where between 6-30 hrs to make, depending on size and hardness of materiel, then you have wear and tear on your grinding cups plus electricity cost. Not many people will be welling to pay you more then minimum wage when they can go to a rock shop and buy a sphere made in China or India for $20-30.
JMO.. Best of luck.
Tim
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Post by AzRockGeek on Dec 1, 2020 14:03:40 GMT -5
Another thought. When I have people ask me to make spheres for them, I tell them to preform the sphere so that it will easily roll on a table. I never had a person deliver a preform. LOL
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cabjunky
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Post by cabjunky on Dec 1, 2020 15:22:34 GMT -5
As a sphere maker, I do not know how you can put a fair charge on this to make it worth your effort. It will take some where between 6-30 hrs to make, depending on size and hardness of materiel, then you have wear and tear on your grinding cups plus electricity cost. Not many people will be welling to pay you more then minimum wage when they can go to a rock shop and buy a sphere made in China or India for $20-30. JMO.. Best of luck. Tim The materials they are wanting done are not available from the mass produced markets of China/India/Mexico. Richardson Ranch use to have a set fee for doing spheres by the finished inch from provided rough, but no longer offer this service. Everyone I talk to around here are shipping all of their rough to mexico and having them done inexpensively, but it is also in large quantities.
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Post by stephan on Dec 1, 2020 23:43:09 GMT -5
I’d say the first question to ask is do you want to do this? Second: who’s asking? Friends that you like? Would it be enjoyable enough just to cover your costs, or is people you don’t know/like that well, but who are hoping you’ll do it cheaply?
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cabjunky
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Post by cabjunky on Dec 2, 2020 6:28:22 GMT -5
I’d say the first question to ask is do you want to do this? Second: who’s asking? Friends that you like? Would it be enjoyable enough just to cover your costs, or is people you don’t know/like that well, but who are hoping you’ll do it cheaply? I seldom want to do spheres for other people, and have only done so sparingly in the past. I will just tell them to find someone in Mexico to cut their stuff. Thanks for the reply.
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Post by HankRocks on Dec 2, 2020 7:38:18 GMT -5
I suspect that anybody who asks you to make a sphere has no real concept of the work involved. The Saw time alone it daunting. And not just the cutting, the setting up the cuts. At one time I thought about making a few just to do it. I backed off once I understood the work and time required. I had much better ways to spend my time.
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Post by greig on Dec 2, 2020 10:56:13 GMT -5
What happens if no fault of your own, you ruin it? I am guessing that sometimes things don't work out.
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Post by cabjunky on Dec 3, 2020 22:02:54 GMT -5
What happens if no fault of your own, you ruin it? I am guessing that sometimes things don't work out. Sometimes they break during rough grind. I've had chunks come out as well. I fill every crack with thin superglue and cross your fingers.
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Post by DirtCleaner on Dec 7, 2020 11:42:31 GMT -5
$50 minimum at 2-1/2" and $10 an inch over that. Truthfully though, the small ones are more difficult than the larger ones. Always give a stern warning about the possibility of breakage. This is just a starting point for discussion. I would rather make my own and sell them but I do some contract work.
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AzRockGeek
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Post by AzRockGeek on Dec 7, 2020 14:51:47 GMT -5
$50 minimum at 2-1/2" and $10 an inch over that. Truthfully though, the small ones are more difficult than the larger ones. Always give a stern warning about the possibility of breakage. This is just a starting point for discussion. I would rather make my own and sell them but I do some contract work. How many hours would you have into a 3.5" agate sphere with cubing, preforming, pre-grinding and actual time on a sphere machine?
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Post by cabjunky on Dec 10, 2020 0:16:21 GMT -5
$50 minimum at 2-1/2" and $10 an inch over that. Truthfully though, the small ones are more difficult than the larger ones. Always give a stern warning about the possibility of breakage. This is just a starting point for discussion. I would rather make my own and sell them but I do some contract work. I always give warnings about the unseen cracking that is inherently in the rocks themselves. It doesn't matter if I am cabbing, slabbing, tumbling, or sphere making. I've lost/destroyed alot of beautiful material trying to get something out of other peoples stuff. Most are very understanding, but some are not. Those are the people that I struggle with. I tend to not do a lot of outside work, and focus on selling finished products. Thanks for the reply.
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Post by DirtCleaner on Dec 21, 2020 10:01:54 GMT -5
How many hours would you have into a 3.5" agate sphere with cubing, preforming, pre-grinding and actual time on a sphere machine? I am asked that question very often. If I was to only work on one sphere and do nothing else I would guess 20-24 hours. When I am in the shop I try to do as many things at the same time as possible. I usually have two 18" saws going, my old but trusty sphere machine going, I also run a high speed sphere machine and I try to get on the wheel to grind the preform. Once I adapt my shop a bit more I hope to have my 30" saw running more often. So now I can have up to 5 or 6 tasks going at once. Does this cut the initital time estimat down? Not really. But it allows me to continue to do this without regret that I am only making a couple dollars an hour. Also, I try to line up a good number of similar size spheres so my polishing is more efficient as well. Less time changing cups.
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Post by NRG on Dec 31, 2020 23:12:37 GMT -5
I have (only semi joking) told folks that it takes 20-30 hours of my time. My shop rate is $75/hr and there is a setup fee of $125 to cover consumables.
Similar to Tim, nobody has taken me up in it. Lol
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Post by rmf on Jan 1, 2021 6:25:54 GMT -5
I have made exactly one sphere. I went to a guys house and he walked me through his process. It took 2 days for 1 sphere. Rough on grinding wheel then finish on a home made single cup setup. I have not had the time to make them when they can be purchased so cheaply. That said special rough that is/has sentimental value you must put a $$ figure on it if you are interested in the business. That price helps the customer determine if it is worth it or not. Figure out how much you want to make an hour and figure the hours it will take and they can take it or leave it. that will help you weed out the lookie-loos vs real customers. Of course I have taken jobs I tried for $30 per hour and ended up at $2 per hour and some jobs are just interesting enough to make you want to do them at any price.
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Post by NRG on Jan 3, 2021 21:57:52 GMT -5
I have made exactly one sphere. I went to a guys house and he walked me through his process. It took 2 days for 1 sphere. Rough on grinding wheel then finish on a home made single cup setup. Rough on grinding wheel then finish on a home made single cup setup. That's not the beginning. It takes a few hours to cut a cube, then a few hours more to cut the preform. Then, depending on hardness and size, few to many hours grinding the rough sphere. Once the rough hand ground sphere is complete, the rest goes relatively fast.
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