JR8675309
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Post by JR8675309 on Jul 11, 2021 17:12:55 GMT -5
Does anyone know why the price jumps up so much on 18 and 20" saws by HP and Covington? Is it related to the mechanics of having a potentially flexible bigger blade? Thanks!
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 11, 2021 17:38:28 GMT -5
Manufacturing is all time+materials+profit, with a lot of supply and demand thrown into the profit percentage. If they are selling more 18's, and having trouble keeping up with demand, and have 16's in inventory not selling, clearing up space on the floor for the ones they're selling by keeping prices down on the slow moving ones makes sense.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 11, 2021 18:02:47 GMT -5
Okay, I had to look, and my answer has changed. Covington 16 and 18 inch saws are not the same thing at all. The 16 is their slab/trim thing that is extremely under engineered and is the bane of everyone I know who has had one. The 18 is much more robust. I don't really like Covington saws at all, but the 700 series larger saws are better. I assume that HP is pricing theirs to be competitive, since their 16 is just a smaller version of the 18. $174 per inch of blade diameter vs $244 is a lot. If you are getting a brand new saw the HP 16 seems like a deal. You should budget another $300 or so for upgrade, just in case. I'm still not sold on the Chinese saws, though they have improved according to people I trust.
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JR8675309
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Post by JR8675309 on Jul 12, 2021 7:40:47 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what would one upgrade?
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 13, 2021 9:52:56 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what would one upgrade? Motor, bearings mostly. Richardson rock ranch bought several some years ago, and Casey, when he was still there, told me they replaced pretty much all of that before they even started them. They also are a production shop and they run the feed faster than you and I need to. FYI they had a falling out with the Sherman bros when HP refused to repair or replace a DOA drop saw at an overseas mine that RRR owns. Don't know the final results there, but their customer service hasn't always been stellar.
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Post by broseph82 on Jul 14, 2021 9:29:28 GMT -5
RockoonzCorrect about the 16 and 18 Covington’s being different beasts. Years ago they called their 16” a hobby saw and the 18” commercial grade. How the hell does a hobby saw cost $3,000? Crazy.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 14, 2021 9:47:05 GMT -5
RockoonzCorrect about the 16 and 18 Covington’s being different beasts. Years ago they called their 16” a hobby saw and the 18” commercial grade. How the hell does a hobby saw cost $3,000? Crazy. When the feed has to have a slip clutch to prevent the saw tub from flexing and binding up in the middle of a cut, it's not a "hobby saw". It's scrap metal.
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Post by broseph82 on Jul 14, 2021 11:09:14 GMT -5
RockoonzCorrect about the 16 and 18 Covington’s being different beasts. Years ago they called their 16” a hobby saw and the 18” commercial grade. How the hell does a hobby saw cost $3,000? Crazy. When the feed has to have a slip clutch to prevent the saw tub from flexing and binding up in the middle of a cut, it's not a "hobby saw". It's scrap metal. I cut out some thicker metal and screwed into the side so the arbor would have some extra support as the sides are super flimsy as well. Still won’t hold a MK303-S on the arbor without some god awful noises
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Post by stardiamond on Jul 14, 2021 11:40:15 GMT -5
I bought my 16 inch covington in January 2008 and didn't unpack it for 7 years when I retired. I paid about 1/2 of what they sell for now. It was intended to be a hobby saw since I don't do a lot of slabbing. The 12/14/16 are about the same saw with the price difference, the blade. I switched to a 14 inch after wrecking the 16. When the saw is working properly which is not that often it is an ok saw. When I bought there were few choices in the price range for a new saw in that size. My biggest complaint is the carriage drifting which produces uneven slabs and frequent binding.
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Post by broseph82 on Jul 14, 2021 22:41:37 GMT -5
stardiamondI agree. I’ve had my saw since 2015 (I believe) and I’ve had a like/hate relationship with it ever since. It still cuts, but no matter how many times I measure my slabs are never exactly the same thickness due to the carriage and all the other issues this brand has. Oh welps. I had to have a 16” at the time and.m absolutely nobody had any past 12” during that time of need.
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stefan
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Post by stefan on Jul 17, 2021 6:37:43 GMT -5
I have a HP 14". Yes a much smaller saw, but it is built like a tank, and I am overly amazed at how much saw I got for the price. This saw is overbuilt for sure and there is zero flexing in the carriage. Super heavy duty bearings and cast iron blocks and pullies. My only real complaint is with the motor mounting screws. They are like 3/8" Phillips head screws. Very worried that they will wear out from the vibration and once the saw is moved to a permanent location (right now it runs in my garage sitting on my workmate) I plan to replace those with some hardened machine bolts. When I was researching saws I looked at so many offerings (new and used) and for my needs and budget and mechanical inability- the HT saws from HP won out every time.
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Post by broseph82 on Jul 17, 2021 15:09:18 GMT -5
stefan save yourself the worry/hassle and replace them now before the screws wear out. Always modify to suit your needs!
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