catskillrocks
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Post by catskillrocks on Jul 23, 2021 10:51:46 GMT -5
I finally purchased a 10" slab saw a few years ago and haven't used it until now because I had it in storage while I was waiting to sell my house and move. My question is this: On a hard rock, how long does it take to make a cut 1" in? It seems to go real slow and I'm wondering if that's normal. It is a Hi-Tech Diamond 10" manual feed and I'm using water only.
Thanks!
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Post by stardiamond on Jul 23, 2021 11:24:43 GMT -5
The speed for manual feed depends on how hard a person is pushing, the blade and the thickness of the rock. I hand fed using an eight inch blade and water with an additive for some years. The biggest issue was wearing out blades. I bought a new Highland park 10" saw with an autofeed and uses oil. It is very slow but since I don't have to be there, I don't care. Water additive improves cutting. I hand feed 1/4+ inch slabs into my 8 inch water trim saw with an mk303 blade and it cuts almost as fast as wood in a jig saw.
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Post by catskillrocks on Jul 23, 2021 12:15:39 GMT -5
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Post by greig on Jul 23, 2021 12:17:01 GMT -5
It depends on the rock. I have some agate that slice like butter and others are so slow that I think the saw blade is worn out. Maybe try a different type of rock to see if things improve.
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Post by Brian on Jul 23, 2021 12:44:08 GMT -5
Very slow is normal.
For reference, the specs for the Highland Park 10” slab saw, which uses oil and has an automatic feed, are as follows:
-POWERFEED – Approximate workpiece infeed rates 11-1/4 inches per hour, 3/16 inches per minute
It may also help to think about how much of the saw blade is making contact with the rock. If it is a 1/4” thick slab being trimmed, not much contact is occurring between the blade and the rock and it cuts relatively quickly. For a 3” thick rock, you have 12 times the contact between rock and blade and should expect much slower speeds.
I seem to like rocks that are painfully slow to cut and it barely looks like the rock is moving at times. That is with a 10” tile saw with a Hot Dog blade on it. A water additive seems to help quite a bit. I used Jet Dry dishwashing rinse aid last time and it cut much quicker for me.
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Post by catskillrocks on Jul 23, 2021 12:59:09 GMT -5
It depends on the rock. I have some agate that slice like butter and others are so slow that I think the saw blade is worn out. Maybe try a different type of rock to see if things improve. Thank you greig, I will try a different rock and see how that goes.
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 23, 2021 13:09:31 GMT -5
Hand cutting has a learning curve. If you tried to push too hard for awhile it can glaze the blade and it cuts slower or not at all. Lapidary supply places sell dressing sticks to "sharpen" blades by removing the metal to expose diamond. Periodically making a cut into one may help. As someone said, a slab saw cuts 1 inch in 5 minutes or more, a lesson in patience.
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Post by catskillrocks on Jul 23, 2021 13:09:59 GMT -5
Very slow is normal. For reference, the specs for the Highland Park 10” slab saw, which uses oil and has an automatic feed, are as follows: -POWERFEED – Approximate workpiece infeed rates 11-1/4 inches per hour, 3/16 inches per minute It may also help to think about how much of the saw blade is making contact with the rock. If it is a 1/4” thick slab being trimmed, not much contact is occurring between the blade and the rock and it cuts relatively quickly. For a 3” thick rock, you have 12 times the contact between rock and blade and should expect much slower speeds. I seem to like rocks that are painfully slow to cut and it barely looks like the rock is moving at times. That is with a 10” tile saw with a Hot Dog blade on it. A water additive seems to help quite a bit. I used Jet Dry dishwashing rinse aid last time and it cut much quicker for me. Thank you Brian. Yeah, it seems like the rock is barely moving! So I guess that means that it will shine up nicely! I will also get some Jet Dry and see how it goes. I understand about how much rock is going through the blade, very slow. Now I know that the blade is probably still in good shape; I've only used it for about 8 hours total.
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Post by catskillrocks on Jul 23, 2021 13:15:12 GMT -5
Hand cutting has a learning curve. If you tried to push too hard for awhile it can glaze the blade and it cuts slower or not at all. Lapidary supply places sell dressing sticks to "sharpen" blades by removing the metal to expose diamond. Periodically making a cut into one may help. As someone said, a slab saw cuts 1 inch in 5 minutes or more, a lesson in patience. Thank you for your response Rockoonz . I will try to see if the blade is glazed when I can get ahold of a dressing stick. A lesson in patience seems to be a mantra for most things lapidary!
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Post by standles on Jul 25, 2021 8:05:28 GMT -5
So I am new to all this as a discalimer. I have a 10" high speed HP trim saw with water. Speed depends alot on the rock being cut. That said on the harder rocks I push it hard watching the cut. If I see any sparking I pull back. If I see the cut not getting cleared of debris I pull back. Agates are a bear as they are hardest I cut. It takes me about 3 mins/inch on average with a rock 2.5" tall
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Post by greig on Jul 25, 2021 16:34:00 GMT -5
Hand cutting has a learning curve. If you tried to push too hard for awhile it can glaze the blade and it cuts slower or not at all. Lapidary supply places sell dressing sticks to "sharpen" blades by removing the metal to expose diamond. Periodically making a cut into one may help. As someone said, a slab saw cuts 1 inch in 5 minutes or more, a lesson in patience. I have never used a dressing stick and wouldn't know where to buy one. However, I have had good results slicing into an old brick or piece of obsidian. I heard you can also use glass, but never tried. My blades get bunged up with silver swarf (real word).
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Post by Rockoonz on Jul 26, 2021 2:02:37 GMT -5
@grieg the obsidian sharpens saw blades myth is exactly that, urban rock legend. It's not abrasive. What it CAN do, however, is clean build ups from blades.
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Post by greig on Jul 26, 2021 11:03:54 GMT -5
@grieg the obsidian sharpens saw blades myth is exactly that, urban rock legend. It's not abrasive. What it CAN do, however, is clean build ups from blades. Correct. It removes the swarf from the diamonds, so the diamonds are exposed again.
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Post by catskillrocks on Jul 26, 2021 19:37:49 GMT -5
Here are some of the rocks that were taking an awfully long time cutting. I don't think that I was pushing hard enough. They still took a long time. Ahh, finally worked!
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Post by holajonathan on Aug 1, 2021 21:11:47 GMT -5
Are those cold mountain jasper, or some other kind of rhyolite? I find that thickness and hardness of the rock are the biggest factors. There is a non-linear relationship between thickness and how fast it cuts. In other words, a 4 inch thick rock does not take 4 times as long as a 1 inch thick rock, but rather, something like 6 or 8 times as long.
And depending on the power of the motor, I do not find that thicker blades cut slower than thinner ones. I am talking about small differences. For example, I don't think a 0.032" blade on a 6" trim saw cuts any slower than a 0.02" blade. This could be because a few light touch is required with thin blades to keep them from overheating and warping, whereas I have confidence to press a little more with thicker blades.
If you want to ram rocks through the saw as fast as you can without bring the motor to a halt, you will need to dress the blade. This is the fastest way to cut rocks on a manual feed saw, although ram hard enough and you might be dressing it between every cut. There is usually a sweet spot where you are providing a moderate about of pressure but not chipping off the exposed diamonds, which is why you have to dress diamond blades. The blades look glazed because once you chip off the exposed diamonds, you are trying to grind with just the metal matrix, which doesn't grind rocks well and instead gets very hot as you apply more and more pressure.
A final consideration, different rim types or segment types on the blades makes a big different in how well they are able to clean out the rock dust from the cut. This can dramatically affect cutting speed. Unfortunately, my experience is that the blades that provide the smoothest cut -- solid sintered rim lapidary blades like the MK Diamond 303 series -- are also the slowest on a manual feed saw. I like the MK 301 better for manual feed saws for that reason.
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Post by catskillrocks on Aug 2, 2021 20:07:21 GMT -5
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Aug 2, 2021 23:04:35 GMT -5
That first picture of what I think is Butterfly Wing jasper looks like a skeleton head. Great slab!
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Post by catskillrocks on Aug 3, 2021 8:18:20 GMT -5
That first picture of what I think is Butterfly Wing jasper looks like a skeleton head. Great slab! Thank you, hummingbirdstones , it sure does look like that. I was impressed with the coloration as well as the "image"!
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