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Post by rockjunquie on Feb 11, 2022 15:36:08 GMT -5
I wonder, if the thought is that this going to be a one-time "Tournament of Champions" kind of deal or is it going to be an ongoing split? I was thinking maybe semi annual- something like that. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Feb 11, 2022 15:42:35 GMT -5
I wonder, if the thought is that this going to be a one-time "Tournament of Champions" kind of deal or is it going to be an ongoing split? I was thinking maybe semi annual- something like that. I really like the thought of semi-annual! Another thought would be end of year. Like maybe have the December "winners bracket" challenge to include the 11 winners from Jan-Nov. |
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Post by Tommy on Feb 11, 2022 18:41:03 GMT -5
Nope. It's his idea - so it's up to him to bring it up when he's ready. He might be mad I even brought it up! and I have had several conversations about the contest and in fact it was his recent suggestion that resulted in my enlarging the photos in the voting collage which in hindsight was a vital change in my opinion. I'm always open for suggestions on how to improve the contest - and I like it the way it is too and I feel that it's fairly well balanced and folks are enjoying it. In my opinion, aside from skillfully producing a creative and artful stone out of beautiful material, the SINGLE most effective thing that contestants can do to improve their standing in the contest is photography. A clear and bright picture set up in such a way that a well-centered and cropped 300x300 thumbnail can be created from it goes a long way towards joining the winner's bracket. Speaking of winner's bracket where I was going with it was to hold an annual contest that invites everyone who won in the previous year - so this year's contest would feature winners from 2022. When you guys say "tournament" you'd have to expand on that thought further and see if grows legs. I'm not sure if a "head to head" tournament style contest quite works for cabochon making but my mind is open. OH, and yeah, I'll say it again. Having a non-winners contest where we ask the most successful group of cabbers we have - as judged by 2022 wins - to sit it out doesn't make a bit of sense to me. It feels like how I feel when my kids would get a participation trophy or ribbon in sports. I'm the dad who would tell them to throw that shit away right now hahaha |
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Post by jasoninsd on Feb 11, 2022 19:17:02 GMT -5
Nope. It's his idea - so it's up to him to bring it up when he's ready. He might be mad I even brought it up! Speaking of winner's bracket where I was going with it was to hold an annual contest that invites everyone who won in the previous year - so this year's contest would feature winners from 2022. When you guys say "tournament" you'd have to expand on that thought further and see if grows legs. I'm not sure if a "head to head" tournament style contest quite works for cabochon making but my mind is open. OH, and yeah, I'll say it again. Having a non-winners contest where we ask the most successful group of cabbers we have - as judged by 2022 wins - to sit it out doesn't make a bit of sense to me. It feels like how I feel when my kids would get a participation trophy or ribbon in sports. I'm the dad who would tell them to throw that shit away right now hahaha I believe you and I are looking at it in the same way. Having an annual challenge for all the monthly winners for the year. I used the term "Tournament of Champions" because I've probably been watching too much "Chopped" lately! LOL - I don't think an "elimination" type tournament is feasible - or necessary. Just a single "challenge" to determine "King of the Rock Hill".  Just my thoughts...still waiting on others to chime in their opinions. As far as your last thought: I know for ME personally, I wouldn't have wanted to compete in a challenge without the winners. I know going up against a group that contained the best of the best pushed me to improve. I'm not saying everyone should feel that way...I just know that's what it did for me. |
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Post by Brian on Feb 11, 2022 20:18:54 GMT -5
In a previous forum I participated in, at the end of the year they would hold a contest of the winners from each month. Instead of new entries, the contest was between each of the winning monthly entries. A best-of-the-best if you will.It worked well and didn't interfere with the regular monthly contest and it was a fun way to see how the winning entries did against one another.
In the same manner, the runner-ups could be thrown together for a vote. I think there have certainly been some runner-up cabs that could easily have won against a different group.
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Feb 11, 2022 21:02:06 GMT -5
I think a "Battle Royal" between contest winners for the year would be cool. I don't like the idea of excluding anyone from the monthly contest for any reason. I agree with jasoninsd that having all levels of cabbers in the monthly contest is what makes people work harder to cut a better stone and take better pictures. I'm still struggling with the pictures part.  I also agree with Tommy about having a non-winners contest. No freaking way would I even enter something like that. Here's a contest for all you losers so one of you can be chosen as a winner because we're not letting any of the winners in to compete. Screw that. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Feb 11, 2022 22:22:01 GMT -5
I'm just throwing this out there... Every month there are many top class entries. Just because someone was 2nd or 3rd doesn't mean they couldn't compete with the winners again. I think we should have one for the runners up and then have a play off between the winners of the two contests. I think we'd see some surprises.
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Post by MsAli on Feb 11, 2022 22:51:34 GMT -5
I know that holajonathan and I were talking about his idea on how to even the playing field - which I think is brilliant. I'm not calling Jonathan out for him to disclose his idea. I'm just saying there is a way to even the whole playing field. And until the time comes for that, it's going to be the one with the biggest/baddest toys, in a given month, wins. IMHO. I liked the idea and have put it out there already that it should be anonymous to level out the field. Nate and I talked about how important the photos are as well, but IMO the skill of the cab is sometimes overlooked. Pictures don't always show that and flaws can easily be hidden as well. |
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Post by Tommy on Feb 26, 2022 14:27:57 GMT -5
The details are still wide open but when the bingo game wraps up I want to proceed with the AllStar cab competition. The idea so far is to invite everyone who has won in the modern era since I started managing it in April 2020, and everyone starts with the same challenging material supplied by me. Further thoughts are to have in-person quality judging by a panel of three (me, rockjunquie, aDave) using a points system, followed by (how many?) of the highest scoring cabs competing anonymously in public on the forum for the best overall design and beauty of creation. The question at this point is how would the participants feel about a winner take all cabs prize? Refer back to the first post in this thread and if you are on the winners list I would really appreciate your feedback. I can't tag everyone because I'm at work and on my phone but I'll try to do it tonight unless someone can help with that. |
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Post by hummingbirdstones on Feb 26, 2022 20:00:43 GMT -5
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Feb 26, 2022 21:12:44 GMT -5
Hmmm. Whatever you guys decide, I'll play along.
Don't personally care for head-to-head competitions with other members of a friendly group like we have in the RTH.
The only reason I entered one of the contests is because the theme immediately triggered a memory of some rough we had on hand.
I'm also on the side of the folks who aren't fond of a "loser's bracket".
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Post by miket on Feb 26, 2022 23:05:21 GMT -5
I see what you're saying, Vince.
I only enter for fun and the challenge, I'm thinking that most enter for the same reason.
I believe that this would also be a friendly competition, so if I have the time I'd play along, too...
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Post by Tommy on Feb 26, 2022 23:28:02 GMT -5
Don't personally care for head-to-head competitions with other members of a friendly group like we have in the RTH. Thanks for the response Vince. Just for clarification is it the 'winner take all' idea that makes it feel more like a head-to-head competition? |
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Post by Tommy on Feb 26, 2022 23:28:52 GMT -5
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Post by agatewhisperer on Feb 26, 2022 23:34:24 GMT -5
Time is my biggest challenge, and the contests are a good way to push me to make something. Even with that I haven't been able to make a cab in the last month. One of the most important things for me personally is that I need to keep this hobby fun, so there's a fine line for me with getting too competitive. With that said, I'll do my best to make time for this. Tommy puts a ton of work in to hosting and organizing all of this which is no small feat.
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Post by jasoninsd on Feb 26, 2022 23:42:14 GMT -5
Tommy - I actually like the idea of the All-Star competition...with them being judged "in-person" by the three of you. However, I would rather see all the cabs which are entered go for an RTH benefit auction, rather than winner take all the cabs. The winning person gets the title...and I'd just like to see there be a benefit for RTH out of this... Plus if it's going to benefit RTH, maybe you'll pick a really awesome material to cab! LOL
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Post by agatewhisperer on Feb 27, 2022 0:09:34 GMT -5
However, I would rather see all the cabs which are entered go for an RTH benefit auction, rather than winner take all the cabs. The winning person gets the title...and I'd just like to see there be a benefit for RTH out of this... I'll second that |
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Post by Tommy on Feb 27, 2022 0:21:22 GMT -5
Plus if it's going to benefit RTH, maybe you'll pick a really awesome material to cab! Whelp... that went down hill fast... I actually picked the absolute WORST material I could possibly think of and I cut 17 slabs for the contest.  |
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Post by jasoninsd on Feb 27, 2022 0:32:15 GMT -5
Plus if it's going to benefit RTH, maybe you'll pick a really awesome material to cab! Whelp... that went down hill fast... I actually picked the absolute WORST material I could possibly think of and I cut 17 slabs for the contest. Okay...but I want the one with the kitty litter on it! LOL I like the fact those slabs are big enough to pick and choose...plus there's enough material for "back ups"! LOL - I'm excited to see what the material is...you're not an honorary member of The Feather River Lapidary & Mineral Society per chance are you? (Sorry...couldn't resist! LOL) |
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Post by Tommy on Feb 27, 2022 0:44:52 GMT -5
I like the fact those slabs are big enough to pick and choose...plus there's enough material for "back ups"! LOL - I'm excited to see what the material is... I'm not ready to unveil what the material is just yet but yeah, they are pretty good sized slabs ranging from 3 x 6 to 3.5 x 7. Quality and features were kind of all over the place so we'll have to see how many players we get to accept the invitation and I'll cherry pick the best worst slabs and send them out randomly  BTW, thanks everyone for the feedback on the winner take all idea. I have to admit that I'm not a big fan of it myself for reasons I don't really understand (iss my precious...). I like the charity auction idea better. Maybe we can just say if anyone wants their creation back they need to include a SASE otherwise it goes to the cause. |
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