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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 12:07:12 GMT -5
I can't remember if I've asked this one before but it's happened again. Went to check the TV-5 this morning and all of the grit was stuck to the lid. It only seems to happen with the 120/220 grit and my tumbles always seem to turn out well but obviously the grit isn't doing anything if it's stuck to the lid. I don't know if it's too much water, not enough water or what.
Here's a picture...
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Post by Pat on Aug 5, 2021 13:09:09 GMT -5
I don't know. Was the grit dry as in the photo when you first opened the tumbler?
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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 14:16:31 GMT -5
I don't know. Was the grit dry as in the photo when you first opened the tumbler? Yes, I took the picture as soon as I took the lid off...
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Post by perkins17 on Aug 5, 2021 14:26:07 GMT -5
miket, no experience with vibes but maybe too little water? I think the rocks brush against the lid on a raytech TV 5 though.
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Post by pizzano on Aug 5, 2021 14:29:24 GMT -5
I can't remember if I've asked this one before but it's happened again. Went to check the TV-5 this morning and all of the grit was stuck to the lid. It only seems to happen with the 120/220 grit and my tumbles always seem to turn out well but obviously the grit isn't doing anything if it's stuck to the lid. I don't know if it's too much water, not enough water or what.
Here's a picture...
It's the result of splash build-up........can't say it's to much liquid....depends on how big/small the load was, size of material. If you're checking the load every couple of hours for the first 4 or 6hrs, you'll see signs of the splash, that's when you can make adjustments......if not, well, you see the result. But you state the batch turned out ok..........you have to have had at least a little seepage running down the bowl too......another sign of more liquid than needed To little moisture tends to stick on sides and bottom of bowl, even clumping at times to the material being processed........not so much the lid. I've experienced this with 120/220 AO, 400 AO and 800 AO......not as much with SC compounds. At least that's been my experience with all of my vibes......!
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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 14:33:27 GMT -5
miket , no experience with vibes but maybe too little water? I think the rocks brush against the lid on a raytech TV 5 though. Not sure, either.
It wasn't a very full load, so I don't think the ceramics or stones brushed against it...
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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 14:36:52 GMT -5
I can't remember if I've asked this one before but it's happened again. Went to check the TV-5 this morning and all of the grit was stuck to the lid. It only seems to happen with the 120/220 grit and my tumbles always seem to turn out well but obviously the grit isn't doing anything if it's stuck to the lid. I don't know if it's too much water, not enough water or what.
Here's a picture...
It's the result of splash build-up........can't say it's to much liquid....depends on how big/small the load was, size of material. If you're checking the load every couple of hours for the first 4 or 6hrs, you'll see signs of the splash, that's when you can make adjustments......if not, well, you see the result. But you state the batch turned out ok..........you have to have had at least a little seepage running down the bowl too......another sign of more liquid than needed. At least that's been my experience with all of my vibes......! I think you might be on the right track- maybe too much water. It's a fairly small load, one decent sized stone and 4 or 5 smaller stones plus the ceramics. They're the rock tumbling contest entries, I only had a few ready to move on and I'm hoping I have enough time to get them in. I need to check the deadline. If this batch turns out well enough or not remains to be seen but I've had other loads do this in the past. Thanks for the tip- it sounds like too much liquid.
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Post by pizzano on Aug 5, 2021 14:46:46 GMT -5
miket , no experience with vibes but maybe too little water? I think the rocks brush against the lid on a raytech TV 5 though. Vibe experience helps understanding the process.....and what to expect from the various outcomes of under/over filling material and liquid.....! If your material is "brushing against the lid", on any vibe, the bowl is way to full........!
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Post by Peruano on Aug 5, 2021 14:52:27 GMT -5
I'd say too small of a load and yes splash up. Could you see water when you first loaded the bowl. You want wet not bathed, and it is critical to have sufficient material in the load (throw in those Fairburns if you need ballast). I don't know, but I can imagine that with too small of a load, the rocks were dancing enough to throw everything toward the top and it stuck. I always start my vibe 5 with the top off, and this lets me check the action and adjust the amount of stones, add a bit of water or ??. I also only add the grit after I have had the bowl running with a dose of dawn liquid (which I add to every stage). The soap helps the grit cling to the rock and eventually the foam cushions the movement. Thats the way things run here in New Mexico, not new and certainly not Mexico. I hope you figure it out.
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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 15:18:30 GMT -5
I'd say too small of a load and yes splash up. Could you see water when you first loaded the bowl. You want wet not bathed, and it is critical to have sufficient material in the load (throw in those Fairburns if you need ballast). I don't know, but I can imagine that with too small of a load, the rocks were dancing enough to throw everything toward the top and it stuck. I always start my vibe 5 with the top off, and this lets me check the action and adjust the amount of stones, add a bit of water or ??. I also only add the grit after I have had the bowl running with a dose of dawn liquid (which I add to every stage). The soap helps the grit cling to the rock and eventually the foam cushions the movement. Thats the way things run here in New Mexico, not new and certainly not Mexico. I hope you figure it out. Thanks Tom. I probably won't throw in any Fairburns, but I will pay more attention and follow some of these tips. I'll try the dish soap I think, I've never done that...
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Post by agatemaggot on Aug 5, 2021 15:37:23 GMT -5
I'd say too small of a load and yes splash up. Could you see water when you first loaded the bowl. You want wet not bathed, and it is critical to have sufficient material in the load (throw in those Fairburns if you need ballast). I don't know, but I can imagine that with too small of a load, the rocks were dancing enough to throw everything toward the top and it stuck. I always start my vibe 5 with the top off, and this lets me check the action and adjust the amount of stones, add a bit of water or ??. I also only add the grit after I have had the bowl running with a dose of dawn liquid (which I add to every stage). The soap helps the grit cling to the rock and eventually the foam cushions the movement. Thats the way things run here in New Mexico, not new and certainly not Mexico. I hope you figure it out. I let mine run for a couple minutes so the soap coats the stones well and then add grit SLOWLEY so it coats evenly and then use squirt bottle to add water until action returns to the same speed as before anything was added !
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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 15:54:50 GMT -5
I'd say too small of a load and yes splash up. Could you see water when you first loaded the bowl. You want wet not bathed, and it is critical to have sufficient material in the load (throw in those Fairburns if you need ballast). I don't know, but I can imagine that with too small of a load, the rocks were dancing enough to throw everything toward the top and it stuck. I always start my vibe 5 with the top off, and this lets me check the action and adjust the amount of stones, add a bit of water or ??. I also only add the grit after I have had the bowl running with a dose of dawn liquid (which I add to every stage). The soap helps the grit cling to the rock and eventually the foam cushions the movement. Thats the way things run here in New Mexico, not new and certainly not Mexico. I hope you figure it out. I let mine run for a couple minutes so the soap coats the stones well and then add grit SLOWLEY so it coats evenly and then use squirt bottle to add water until action returns to the same speed as before anything was added ! Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
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Post by manofglass on Aug 5, 2021 16:00:47 GMT -5
That never happens to me looks like it gets to dry
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 5, 2021 16:33:20 GMT -5
Just a side note...have you ever considered using wax paper on top of the vibe, then put the lid on afterward? It'll help save the lid from wear from the grit if it DOES get up there. Okay...back to your regularly scheduled program.
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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 16:53:56 GMT -5
That never happens to me looks like it gets to dry Maybe. I'll just have to keep working at it, I guess...
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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 16:54:53 GMT -5
Just a side note...have you ever considered using wax paper on top of the vibe, then put the lid on afterward? It'll help save the lid from wear from the grit if it DOES get up there. Okay...back to your regularly scheduled program. That's the funny thing. No rocks or ceramics seem to be hitting the lid. Especially in this load, it's not super full.
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Post by Peruano on Aug 5, 2021 17:13:42 GMT -5
If you want to know what's happening. Fasten the bowl with the first rubber nut, and leave the top off. If it's throwing rocks out of the bowl you will know it; if its just throwing water/grit, then you know you have too much liquid or too little material resulting too violent action. I often run my vibe 5 without the top so that I can observe the movement closely and make microadjustments of adding or removing rocks for ballast or more water to lubricate a sluggish action.
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Post by miket on Aug 5, 2021 17:31:14 GMT -5
If you want to know what's happening. Fasten the bowl with the first rubber nut, and leave the top off. If it's throwing rocks out of the bowl you will know it; if its just throwing water/grit, then you know you have too much liquid or too little material resulting too violent action. I often run my vibe 5 without the top so that I can observe the movement closely and make microadjustments of adding or removing rocks for ballast or more water to lubricate a sluggish action. Ok, thanks. You leave the top off the entire time?
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Post by reeniebeany on Aug 5, 2021 17:34:45 GMT -5
Just a side note...have you ever considered using wax paper on top of the vibe, then put the lid on afterward? It'll help save the lid from wear from the grit if it DOES get up there. Okay...back to your regularly scheduled program. I have been using plastic wrap, it works ok. But once I didn't get the wing nut down tight and it worked off the spindle. The lid was bouncing around and some of the plastic wrap got wrapped around the spindle. The UV-10 has a stick on layer of soft foam type stuff on the lid. It seems like it needs protected, especially as I learn!!!
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Post by jasoninsd on Aug 5, 2021 17:37:39 GMT -5
Just a side note...have you ever considered using wax paper on top of the vibe, then put the lid on afterward? It'll help save the lid from wear from the grit if it DOES get up there. Okay...back to your regularly scheduled program. I have been using plastic wrap, it works ok. But once I didn't get the wing nut down tight and it worked off the spindle. The lid was bouncing around and some of the plastic wrap got wrapped around the spindle. The UV-10 has a stick on layer of soft foam type stuff on the lid. It seems like it needs protected, especially as I learn!!! I've got a UV-18...same type of lid as the 10 I think. I will say I HAVE done this trick, but don't always...but probably should.
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