JR8675309
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Post by JR8675309 on Sept 16, 2021 15:12:35 GMT -5
Hey folks I was having trouble with a wobble and bought a new blade only to discover what I think was a contributing factor, a bushing on the arbor hole that was not completely flat.
Fast forward to today... new bushing on new blade (it's thinner than the other bushing) and I have a lesser wobble.
Questions: 1- new bushing is about about 0.6 and blade is 0.9, so I need a thicker bushing? 2- when tightening the nut on the arbor, how tight should it be? From my research I hear too tight can cause marks.
Recap: Old blade 20" 1.0 HP agate cutter (non-flat bushing) New blade 20" 0.9 blade crimped (slightly thinner bushing)
Thanks!!
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Post by Peruano on Sept 16, 2021 17:08:16 GMT -5
There are bushings at Lowes that a pennies apiece; and there are bushings from machinists that cost real money. I suspect the latter have much closer specs. That said, I would try for a bushing (we are talking about the disk in the center of the blade) would best be as thick or thicker than the body of the blade. Anything less (depending on how tight the bushing fit on the arbor) might allow it to twist. Being a bit thicker should not be an issue because we almost always use a concave flange washer that would accommodate a thicker bushing. The purpose of the flange washer and yes it must be flat on its perimeter area is to hold the blade straight on the arbor (reduce flexing and any twisting on the bushing arbor axis. I've only bushed and installed a few blades but thats my simplistic thinking on the factors involved. A bad bushing and or a bad flange washer can defeat any good blade. I think the bushing that I used on my 12" MK 225 blade to get it down to 3/4 cost on the order of $13 for two. Several years later, the blade is still running and I consider my $13 well spent.
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Post by JR8675309 on Sept 16, 2021 17:26:27 GMT -5
Peruano good stuff. I got my bushing from the lapidary shop here... maybe there is just a miscommunication... When I said the older thicker one was not flat, are you saying it SHOULD be concave? Thanks!
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Post by Peruano on Sept 17, 2021 7:12:16 GMT -5
let's be sure we are using the same terminology. The bushing is a flat washer like disc that has the inside diameter of the arbor shaft. The outside diameter is the same as the hole in the blade. Bushings are to my knowledge always flat. The flange washers are the discs that are placed on each side of the blade to steady it and keep it true. The hole in the flange washer is an exact fit for the arbor shaft. The flange washer is almost always concave so that the outer margins is in true contact with the blade body, the center area is not necessarily in contact (I think this insures that the widest area is in contact and flat. Normally the flange washer has to be of a certain size depending on the size of the blade. A large blade with small flange washers would be easy to distort and one with a larger sized flange washer would be sturdier. A bushing that does not exactly fit the arbor or the hole in the blade could twist or tilt slightly which could allow the blade to shift slightly. Only you can decide what your problem might have been and how to rectify it. I hope this off the top of my head view is of value. Lapidary shops can sell good stuff and can sell not so good stuff. The fit is the key.
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Post by JR8675309 on Sept 17, 2021 9:58:52 GMT -5
Peruano, thanks for taking the time to confirm we were in the same page. We were right up until I processed the concave flange statement as bushing. That's on me. I'm using the original arbor bushing now as the ones from lap shop are 1- too thin 2- I.D. Is a tad too small I lightly hammered #1 bushing flat. Still have some blade marks. Maybe my expectations of fewer marks is unachievable w a 20" blade. FYI flanges are 5.5", so the ratio seems right. Thanks!!
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Post by holajonathan on Sept 19, 2021 9:30:53 GMT -5
I think the bushing is just to center the blade until you are able to tighten the nut that compresses the flanges. The flanges are ultimately what hold the blade in place, not the bushing. Assuming that the bushing allows you to properly center the blade on the arbor, the thickness of the bushing shouldn't matter once you tighten the flanges. Nevertheless, I agree with buying some quality bushings and not using generic hardware store washers. I use high quality stainless steel bushings that are machined to something like +/- 0.0001" of their nominal size. They create a very snug fit both within the blade arbor hole and as they pass over the shaft, and I have been using the same ones for a long time. Here are some littles ones I bought recently to reduce 5/8" arbor to 1/2" for my trim saw.
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Post by JR8675309 on Sept 22, 2021 7:35:06 GMT -5
I agree on the bushing holajonathan and went back to the original sturdy one that I flattened out. I went to the lap shop 3 days in a row, so I took a break... will get back there this week. In the meantime I manipulated the blade with pressure after watching. Some videos on YouTube (i know that makes me an expert) and the blade marks are reduced. Not perfection, but better. Thanks everyone for your input. This is a definite "getting to know you" experience with my saw.
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Post by holajonathan on Sept 22, 2021 11:06:25 GMT -5
I agree on the bushing holajonathan and went back to the original sturdy one that I flattened out. I went to the lap shop 3 days in a row, so I took a break... will get back there this week. In the meantime I manipulated the blade with pressure after watching. Some videos on YouTube (i know that makes me an expert) and the blade marks are reduced. Not perfection, but better. Thanks everyone for your input. This is a definite "getting to know you" experience with my saw. Check out Ebay. I have gotten quality ones like the ones in the photo I posted for about $5 each, I think. That sounds like a lot of money for what basically look like washers, but they're not washers. They are high quality stainless steel and the dimensions are very precise. Assuming the blade arbor hole is drilled to spec, the fit perfectly. It takes a little effort to get them into the blade, but they fit perfectly and don't move as the blade is being slid over the arbor and the nut is being tightened. MK Diamond blades seem to have very precisely drilled arbor holes. A lot of Chinese blades do not. There's no reason you can't get very clean cuts with a 20" blade. I've seen cuts with a 24" blade that looked like a 500 grit finish, with absolutely no visible saw marks.
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Post by JR8675309 on Sept 23, 2021 6:46:23 GMT -5
Thank you. I agree on quality and I don't mind paying 5 bucks, seems like I would be getting a fairly good deal.
Interesting thing about the new blade is the saw seems louder. Eventually I will figure this beast out!
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Post by catmandewe on Sept 23, 2021 11:00:55 GMT -5
A lot of the chinese blades are 25mm which are slightly under 1 inch which makes them not quite fit on a 1" arbor or bushing.
Tony
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