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Post by holajonathan on Oct 17, 2021 13:21:48 GMT -5
A tip for those who are working to perfect cab shapes / domes / girdles: get some slabs of quartzite or another rock that grinds quickly and evenly. I recently slabbed quartzite fieldstones for this purpose. Fine grained quartzite grinds fast and predictably. Before I slabbed the quartzite, I was using hard agates and jaspers for practice. The quartzite is a huge time saver. But more importantly, it provides almost instant feedback. A lot of things really started clicking for me when I was able to apply a certain technique and see the results immediately. Here I used quartzite to practice doming a tricky shape -- an irregular triangle with a concave angle on one side. The steps below were completed in about 10 minutes, which included a careful inspection between each step. First bevel cut:Second bevel cut Third bevel cut, overlapping in the middle. Dome Evened Out with 80 Grit Wheel Domed evened further with 220 grit hard wheel
That is as far as I took it. The dome and girdle are not perfect, but a big improvement over many cab I have made. I have polished a few of these quartzite practice cabs just for fun. I've ground the rough domes on about 20 quartzite practice cabs in the past week. I haven't spent more than 4 hours on them -- a small time investment for how much I have learned. Thank you to rockjunquie stardiamond Starguy parfive jasoninsd fencejumper and others who have offered me advice in various recent threads. Although not a tough shape to dome, this Royal Imperial Jasper cab (made yesterday) has the best dome of any cab I have cut. The warmth of peachy-creamy-pink color and wide bands give the cab an ethereal quality.
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Post by Pat on Oct 17, 2021 13:28:58 GMT -5
I can use this!! Thanks! I might be able to make a cab this week. Thanks
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 17, 2021 13:29:56 GMT -5
Great job and great pix tips. The pictures really bring it home. I know this will be helpful.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 17, 2021 13:37:24 GMT -5
Just throwing this out---- I generally make 2 passes with the bevels. To finish, I rock the cab from the girdle to the middle which gets rid of the bevel lines and creates a dome. This way saves more of the dome height. Faster, too, probably. Did that makes sense?
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 17, 2021 13:40:37 GMT -5
Great job and great pix tips. The pictures really bring it home. I know this will be helpful. I hope it helps others. I tried to apply precisely the technique that you explained, and it works! The important take away for me is that a good dome is a question of process and not planning; it's technique, not trigonometry. Follow certain steps, and the result is an even dome that mirrors that shape of the cab and is not pinched at the corners. I guess I would have learned that on day 1 if I had started with some formal training as opposed to making it up as I go along.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 17, 2021 13:43:17 GMT -5
Great job and great pix tips. The pictures really bring it home. I know this will be helpful. I hope it helps others. I tried to apply precisely the technique that you explained, and it works! The important take away for me is that a good dome is a question of process and not planning; it's technique, not trigonometry. Follow certain steps, and the result is an even dome that mirrors that shape of the cab and is not pinched at the corners. I guess I would have learned that on day 1 if I had started with some formal training as opposed to making it up as I go along. I'm really glad I was helpful.
I'm going to link to this thread in the Tips thread.
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 17, 2021 13:46:46 GMT -5
Just throwing this out---- I generally make 2 passes with the bevels. To finish, I rock the cab from the girdle to the middle which gets rid of the bevel lines and creates a dome. This way saves more of the dome height. Faster, too, probably. Did that makes sense? Yes. I have been using 2 passes with ovals and other symmetrical shapes, unless the cab is very large, in which 3 seems to work better. With asymmetrical cabs (especially those with a concave edge, like the triangle in my example), I have been experimenting with a third bevel that overlaps slightly in the middle. Rocking from the girldle to the middle is tricky if you have a concave edge, because you can't really rock from that edge to the middle without grinding down the two corners of the concave edge. Hard to explain. But I understand your point completely.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 17, 2021 13:48:08 GMT -5
Just throwing this out---- I generally make 2 passes with the bevels. To finish, I rock the cab from the girdle to the middle which gets rid of the bevel lines and creates a dome. This way saves more of the dome height. Faster, too, probably. Did that makes sense? Yes. I have been using 2 passes with ovals and other symmetrical shapes, unless the cab is very large, in which 3 seems to work better. With asymmetrical cabs (especially those with a concave edge, like the triangle in my example), I have been experimenting with a third bevel that overlaps slightly in the middle. Rocking from the girldle to the middle is tricky if you have a concave edge, because you can't really rock from that edge to the middle without grinding down the two corners of the concave edge. Hard to explain. But I understand your point completely. Yeah, concave shapes are trickier. I don't even think I can explain how I do it. I just do.
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 17, 2021 13:56:14 GMT -5
"I don't even think I can explain how I do it." Spoken like a true master.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 17, 2021 13:57:32 GMT -5
"I don't even think I can explain how I do it." Spoken like a true master. LOL! I wish!
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 17, 2021 23:15:13 GMT -5
Jonathan, thank you so much for posting this! Your pictures and commentary are great!
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 17, 2021 23:38:30 GMT -5
Jonathan, thank you so much for posting this! Your pictures and commentary are great! You're welcome, although I'm pretty sure you figured this out about 6-8 months ago.
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