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Post by Jugglerguy on Oct 21, 2021 12:03:14 GMT -5
jasoninsdI'm expecting Rob to make a full length film about it given his advanced video editing and youtube skills. I will try to be on my best behavior. Nothing like putting a lot of pressure on me! Let's set expectations low. Maybe we'll get a few good Polaroids. |
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Post by Son Of Beach on Oct 21, 2021 12:36:09 GMT -5
Lots of nice stuff going on here, Jason. I'll say more later about the cabs, but for now, just wanted to thank you for posting those Nether's farm cabs and taking my excitement level to 11! I am going to Nether's farm to do some digging with Jugglerguy one week from today!! Since Rob is a youtube phenom, I'm sure the experience will be well documented. Looking forward to this! I'm trying to get down there before it gets too cold to dig. |
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Post by opalpyrexia on Oct 21, 2021 13:43:33 GMT -5
Love all the cabs, Jason, but number 3 looks special to me. Its patterns appear to fool the eye, or at least my eyes. They make it look like there's a crease across the middle with both the top and bottom having their own higher domes. I'd promote that visual characteristic (if the cab were mine). Thanks Gary!  Okay...now you've piqued my interest...how would you go about promoting that visual characteristic? How do you sell, Jason? Online, shows or concession? I sell primarily online through Etsy. Doing that requires a written description for the item, and that's where I try to make the piece "come alive" or point out a characteristic that might grab someone's attention.
Are you asking me to provide a description for your specific cab, or to show some examples of my descriptions for a couple of cabs I sold? |
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 21, 2021 16:52:52 GMT -5
jasoninsd I'm expecting Rob to make a full length film about it given his advanced video editing and youtube skills. I will try to be on my best behavior. Nothing like putting a lot of pressure on me! Let's set expectations low. Maybe we'll get a few good Polaroids. The bar was set high when you recently reached 50,000 youtube subscribers! (Less than 18 months after you passed the 20,000 mark). |
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 21, 2021 17:49:38 GMT -5
Thanks Gary! Okay...now you've piqued my interest...how would you go about promoting that visual characteristic? How do you sell, Jason? Online, shows or concession? I sell primarily online through Etsy. Doing that requires a written description for the item, and that's where I try to make the piece "come alive" or point out a characteristic that might grab someone's attention.
Are you asking me to provide a description for your specific cab, or to show some examples of my descriptions for a couple of cabs I sold? I actually haven't started selling yet...but I'm pretty sure I will be using Etsy. I wasn't asking you to write a description for me. I actually thought you were referring to a specific way you'd wrap or set this piece in such a way as to promote the visual characteristic. I was trying to wrap my head around how you'd do that! LOL I did go to your Etsy page and perused your descriptions. That really gives me perspective on just how things should be written! |
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Post by opalpyrexia on Oct 22, 2021 11:29:14 GMT -5
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Are you asking me to provide a description for your specific cab, or to show some examples of my descriptions for a couple of cabs I sold? ... I wasn't asking you to write a description for me. I actually thought you were referring to a specific way you'd wrap or set this piece in such a way as to promote the visual characteristic. I was trying to wrap my head around how you'd do that! LOL ...
Maybe I can sketch a couple of rough ideas for you. Be back later...
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Post by knave on Oct 22, 2021 11:39:42 GMT -5
I still go to his Etsy page and muse at that one opal set in silver. perfection!!
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Post by opalpyrexia on Oct 23, 2021 11:10:42 GMT -5
... I wasn't asking you to write a description for me. I actually thought you were referring to a specific way you'd wrap or set this piece in such a way as to promote the visual characteristic. I was trying to wrap my head around how you'd do that! LOL ... Maybe I can sketch a couple of rough ideas for you. Be back later...
OK, because you asked, here's what I would do if I were to set it in soldered silver. I don't wrap, so I really don't know all of what's possible with wrapping and I'd have a tough time trying to draw it.
- Given the bold, dramatic patterns and the shape you chose to highlight that, I would keep the bail simple. The one I've drawn looks twisted, but it's not. It just has parts "cut away" from the front and rear.
- On the left side where everything seems to be pointing, the silver ball gives the patterns' "movement" a final focal point. Maybe it's a minnie ball that plowed through it. It's still understated so that it doesn't distract from the cab itself.
- On the right I've added gradually wider silver that then "breaks up" and sort of "collapses" into the beginning of the flow of the cab's main pattern. The rectangular style contrasts with the ball on the left side. It's supposed to show additional pieces soldered on plus some varied texturing. I assume that different wrapping techniques might achieve the same effect.
I hope that this is helpful, Jason. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 23, 2021 17:32:25 GMT -5
Maybe I can sketch a couple of rough ideas for you. Be back later...
OK, because you asked, here's what I would do if I were to set it in soldered silver. I don't wrap, so I really don't know all of what's possible with wrapping and I'd have a tough time trying to draw it.
- Given the bold, dramatic patterns and the shape you chose to highlight that, I would keep the bail simple. The one I've drawn looks twisted, but it's not. It just has parts "cut away" from the front and rear.
- On the left side where everything seems to be pointing, the silver ball gives the patterns' "movement" a final focal point. Maybe it's a minnie ball that plowed through it. It's still understated so that it doesn't distract from the cab itself.
- On the right I've added gradually wider silver that then "breaks up" and sort of "collapses" into the beginning of the flow of the cab's main pattern. The rectangular style contrasts with the ball on the left side. It's supposed to show additional pieces soldered on plus some varied texturing. I assume that different wrapping techniques might achieve the same effect.
I hope that this is helpful, Jason. Gary, that is an absolutely stunning design. I can't thank you enough for explaining your thought process in the design! I think I can replicate a "similar" style of design as I have small beads (I couldn't say "small balls"! LOL) and the use of bindings on that right side may be able to closely replicate your design idea there. I'll do everything I can to replicate the design as best I can...we'll see if I can pull it off and actually do it justice. This really was an amazing eye-opener as to the design process...and thank you again for taking the time to do this! Heck, if I can't pull it off, I'm just going to give you the cab!  |
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Post by opalpyrexia on Oct 23, 2021 18:07:11 GMT -5
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I hope that this is helpful, Jason. Gary, that is an absolutely stunning design. I can't thank you enough for explaining your thought process in the design! I think I can replicate a "similar" style of design as I have small beads (I couldn't say "small balls"! LOL) and the use of bindings on that right side may be able to closely replicate your design idea there. I'll do everything I can to replicate the design as best I can...we'll see if I can pull it off and actually do it justice. This really was an amazing eye-opener as to the design process...and thank you again for taking the time to do this! Heck, if I can't pull it off, I'm just going to give you the cab!
Thank you for asking Jason, and for your reaction. I'm happy that you're pleased with it.
"Heck, if I can't pull it off, I'm just going to give you the cab!"
Yes you will  and no you won't!!
I can't wait to see what you do. I hope that you will also put your style into it in a way that enhances or goes beyond the sketch. |
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 24, 2021 11:44:37 GMT -5
Another nice group, Jason. Have you gotten faster at cabbing with your slant lap? As good as you are getting at using the lap, you may not ever need a cabbing machine.
As for the cabs:
2-3: I love polychome jasper, but I have only tumbled it. When tumbling it takes a very high shine unless the material is pitted. I wonder why your cabs only took a matte finish? #3 is a great capture.
4-6: These are my favorites of the batch. The variety in this stuff is amazing. They look very well polished also. Were they easy to polish?
7-8: They are brecciated jasper if you ask me! I repeat myself: why so little love for the beautiful prairie agates?
9-10: The colors in 9 look a lot like Australian lace agate. The black in 10 really makes it pop. I haven't seen much crazy lace with black in it. Both very nice cabs.
11-12: I've never seen GYP that looks like 11. 12 looks very solid for GYP with great plumes and just enough translucent areas to make it interesting.
13-15: More of the black, mossy crazy lace. Great material. I love #14. It is mesmerizing!
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 24, 2021 21:48:03 GMT -5
Gary, that is an absolutely stunning design. I can't thank you enough for explaining your thought process in the design! I think I can replicate a "similar" style of design as I have small beads (I couldn't say "small balls"! LOL) and the use of bindings on that right side may be able to closely replicate your design idea there. I'll do everything I can to replicate the design as best I can...we'll see if I can pull it off and actually do it justice. This really was an amazing eye-opener as to the design process...and thank you again for taking the time to do this! Heck, if I can't pull it off, I'm just going to give you the cab!
Thank you for asking Jason, and for your reaction. I'm happy that you're pleased with it.
"Heck, if I can't pull it off, I'm just going to give you the cab!"
Yes you will  and no you won't!!
I can't wait to see what you do. I hope that you will also put your style into it in a way that enhances or goes beyond the sketch. Thank you Gary. I will definitely remember to tag you when this get wrapped.  Another nice group, Jason. Have you gotten faster at cabbing with your slant lap? As good as you are getting at using the lap, you may not ever need a cabbing machine. As for the cabs: 2-3: I love polychome jasper, but I have only tumbled it. When tumbling it takes a very high shine unless the material is pitted. I wonder why your cabs only took a matte finish? #3 is a great capture. 4-6: These are my favorites of the batch. The variety in this stuff is amazing. They look very well polished also. Were they easy to polish? 7-8: They are brecciated jasper if you ask me! I repeat myself: why so little love for the beautiful prairie agates? 9-10: The colors in 9 look a lot like Australian lace agate. The black in 10 really makes it pop. I haven't seen much crazy lace with black in it. Both very nice cabs. 11-12: I've never seen GYP that looks like 11. 12 looks very solid for GYP with great plumes and just enough translucent areas to make it interesting. 13-15: More of the black, mossy crazy lace. Great material. I love #14. It is mesmerizing! Thanks Jonathan! I'm not really getting any faster...I usually do them in groups of 6-8, which takes me ALL day to do those...unfortunately... Polychrome - I don't know why the matte finish. I've worked a couple cabs from this nodule, but the best I can get is matte... Nether's Farm - I'm still amazed at the different varieties that can come from this material. It really depends on that piece as to whether it polishes. I've cut some that were "softer" or had softer areas in them which didn't polish. However, when you've got a piece that is fully flint, it polishes amazingly well. \ Prairie Agate - I think it looks brecciated as well! I'm working a couple pieces right now (well...not RIGHT now, since I'm typing! LOL) that are another couple stunners IMO. Crazy Lace - I think that first one is actually Flor De Durazno as opposed to actual Crazy Lace. The second cab came from that "odd" piece I got from TRS. Graveyard Point - I cut this stuff WAY too thick...which takes away from the translucency. I have several pieces that are the same color as that darker one...as opposed to the lighter off-white or cream colored one. Crazy Lace - I fell in love with this "duochrome" piece as soon as I saw it. There's something a little "elegant" when it comes to black and white agates! |
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 24, 2021 21:54:41 GMT -5
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 24, 2021 21:56:59 GMT -5
I needed that tonight! Thanks for the laugh! |
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Post by holajonathan on Oct 24, 2021 22:22:06 GMT -5
jasoninsd As for crazy lace vs. flor de durazno lace vs. laguna lace vs. red lace vs. noriega lace vs. rosetta lace vs. cactus lace vs. bubble lace vs. dog tooth lace vs. fine line lace vs rincon lace... They all come from the same area of Mexico, often from the same mines. As a result, there's a lot of overlap from one so-called variety to another. I assume you got the flor de durazno from JH Kalmore. Joseph seems to be a prolific name creator, since a number of the Mexican lace agates that he sells are available only from him (at least with the names he has given them). That's not a criticism really, but I don't think you'll find anyone but Joseph selling "flor de durazno lace agate," or if you do, they are almost certainly reselling rocks bought from Joseph. You can, however, find the same or very similar material simply called Mexican lace agate or Mexican crazy lace agate. I usually just call them all Mexican lace agate and spare myself the trouble of trying to figure out all the marketing names. Whether a chunk of rough purchased from JH Kalmore is "flor de durazno" or "crazy lace" or something else often depends on which pile Joseph (or someone else) decided to toss it in. That is also why some flor de durazno looks quite different than other flor de durazno... why some "laguna lace" looks a lot like crazy lace... etc. At the end of the day, it's all a little arbitrary.
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Post by jasoninsd on Oct 24, 2021 22:31:23 GMT -5
holajonathanMy "education" on material has been a real eye-opener...and a headache all at once. LOL - I was definitely aware of trade names being created simply to boost sales...I'm just still learning which ones are which. I like your perspective on the Mexican Lace Agate...that name is the most accurate and all-encompassing. Yes, it was from Joseph! LOL
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Post by Chris Sikk on Nov 5, 2021 22:21:15 GMT -5
Maybe I can sketch a couple of rough ideas for you. Be back later...
OK, because you asked, here's what I would do if I were to set it in soldered silver. I don't wrap, so I really don't know all of what's possible with wrapping and I'd have a tough time trying to draw it.
- Given the bold, dramatic patterns and the shape you chose to highlight that, I would keep the bail simple. The one I've drawn looks twisted, but it's not. It just has parts "cut away" from the front and rear.
- On the left side where everything seems to be pointing, the silver ball gives the patterns' "movement" a final focal point. Maybe it's a minnie ball that plowed through it. It's still understated so that it doesn't distract from the cab itself.
- On the right I've added gradually wider silver that then "breaks up" and sort of "collapses" into the beginning of the flow of the cab's main pattern. The rectangular style contrasts with the ball on the left side. It's supposed to show additional pieces soldered on plus some varied texturing. I assume that different wrapping techniques might achieve the same effect.
I hope that this is helpful, Jason. Now I wish I was better at soldering. The few electrical things I have done have given me some knowledge, but jewelry soldering has absolutely been a disaster any time I tried. I guess I should pop over to the tutorial section here and get lost in some videos. 
#2 and #13 are really fantastic.
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and no you won't!! 
and no you won't!! 
