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Post by holajonathan on Oct 31, 2021 11:25:06 GMT -5
I recall someone saying they bought an Inland sintered wheel from Johnson Brothers. The sintered wheels on the JB website are not advertised as being made by Inland.
I bought a 8" 30 grit sintered wheel from JB last year (for grinding tumbles), and I seem to recall that that it was drop shipped to me from the manufacturer (not JB). It could have came from Inland, but as I approach my 40th birthday, my memory is failing.
Can anyone confirm that Inland makes the JB sintered wheels? If so, how can JB be so much cheaper? They must be different in some way?
The grit sizes offered by JB are the same as Inland, and the features are also the same (aluminum core, 3mm deep diamond matrix, etc...) The stock photos on the JB website are Inland wheels. (You cans see Inland engraved on the side.)
I love my Kingsley North Heirloom sintered wheels, especially for the price. But the 80 grit grinds more like a 120 plated wheel, and a 60 grit sintered may be in my future.
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Post by Rockoonz on Oct 31, 2021 12:25:04 GMT -5
I would like to see the comments here. Ready for a new wheel for the Cabmate 1 wheel unit I use for gross material removal, I really liked the textured 80 grit plated I've been using, and I can get 3 more for less than the cost of a sintered wheel. I can wait till Q-site to get it.
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Post by rockjunquie on Oct 31, 2021 12:43:21 GMT -5
Mine is Inland. It was shipped from JB. I have a 60 sintered and I love it.
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 1, 2021 0:45:17 GMT -5
Mine is Inland. It was shipped from JB. I have a 60 sintered and I love it. It's the $325 sintered wheel at JB? Does it say Inland on the side of the wheel, or JB? My 30 grit from JB says JB on the side. |
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 1, 2021 0:48:09 GMT -5
I would like to see the comments here. Ready for a new wheel for the Cabmate 1 wheel unit I use for gross material removal, I really liked the textured 80 grit plated I've been using, and I can get 3 more for less than the cost of a sintered wheel. I can wait till Q-site to get it. I really like the Kingsley North sintered wheels, and at $175, it might be a little less than twice the cost of a good 80 grit textured plated. But the reason I am looking for a 60 grit Inland is precisely because the 80 grit Kingsley isn't quite fast enough at gross material removal. The 220 Kingsley sintered is also a gem of a wheel. |
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Post by rmf on Nov 1, 2021 5:51:18 GMT -5
I have only used plated wheels so I am not an expert. I have been told a 60 grit sintered wheel cuts like a 80 grit plated wheel. that you can estimate the cutting difference between the sintered and plated by the approximate 25% reduction in "apparent grit" performance. At this point I have not has a good financial reason to go to sintered. So waiting to hear comments too.
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 1, 2021 9:58:14 GMT -5
Mine is Inland. It was shipped from JB. I have a 60 sintered and I love it. It's the $325 sintered wheel at JB? Does it say Inland on the side of the wheel, or JB? My 30 grit from JB says JB on the side. I'm almost positive it said Inland. I was surprised, too, since the price was so good. I will say that it may be seconds. Mine had some minor cosmetic issue that doesn't effect the performance. I'll check again.
ETA- I checked, but can't read the mounted wheel. Maybe you should call them. I will say that I am very pleased with my wheel.
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 1, 2021 10:09:25 GMT -5
It's the $325 sintered wheel at JB? Does it say Inland on the side of the wheel, or JB? My 30 grit from JB says JB on the side. I'm almost positive it said Inland. I was surprised, too, since the price was so good. I will say that it may be seconds. Mine had some minor cosmetic issue that doesn't effect the performance. I'll check again. Thanks. It seems unlikely that they are seconds if JB is able to offer all grits in both 6" and 8" size. That would mean Inland is producing a lot of seconds... I went back through my emails and this is what happened: I ordered an 8" 30 grit sintered from JB and emailed them to ask when it would ship. They responded that it was a special order and it would take at least 2-3 weeks. I got the wheel 1-2 days later. The return address was a PO Box in Michigan, and Inland Craft is a Michigan company. The wheel has "JB" and some numbers engraved on the side, but otherwise looks identical to Inland wheels. The specs (diamond depth, weight, aluminum core) all match Inland specs. Nothing about the wheel looked like a second. It was $250 less than what Inland charges for the same wheel. Assuming that JB is making at least a small profit, they must be paying Inland no more than half of the Inland advertised prices. |
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 1, 2021 12:01:01 GMT -5
A big concern for me is whether of not they are "chippy". The reason I like the textured wheels is they don't seem to cause chips in more brittle materials nearly as much as the Galaxy 80 grit wheels did for me. The machine in the center of the pic with the light and acrylic water container above is where I use it. It's where I so the majority of material removal and shaping before going to the Genie, keeps the water clean in the Genie for a lot longer. Also has a 2 speed motor, low speed is nice for especially fragile or softer materials.  |
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Post by knave on Nov 1, 2021 12:45:46 GMT -5
Textured wheels from where
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 1, 2021 15:30:44 GMT -5
A big concern for me is whether of not they are "chippy". The reason I like the textured wheels is they don't seem to cause chips in more brittle materials nearly as much as the Galaxy 80 grit wheels did for me. The machine in the center of the pic with the light and acrylic water container above is where I use it. It's where I so the majority of material removal and shaping before going to the Genie, keeps the water clean in the Genie for a lot longer. Also has a 2 speed motor, low speed is nice for especially fragile or softer materials.
My 60 sintered is as chippy as an 80 galaxy- maybe a little more. (...on stones prone to chipping)
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Post by mohs on Nov 1, 2021 16:51:06 GMT -5
not sure what wheel it was Lee
but that fabric textured courser grit wheel
on the dedicated machine
worked really efficiently
it was pleasure
My Galaxy 80grit is 10 years old
it still cuts but it
lost lots of it aggressiveness
still functional
Gneiss set up!!
Busy busy man through an AZ summer!
now it time to play
You two worked hard
and the hopes & wishes
are materializing
Long may it roll!
Mohs
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 1, 2021 23:50:16 GMT -5
Textured wheels from where The one I'm using now came from Mo Han. Hans superabrasives I won't be getting another from them. I would like to try Baltic Abrasives from Lithuania, but with their shipping time I'll either go with either Kingsley or find one in Quartzsite, quite possibly J Bros. |
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 2, 2021 0:21:59 GMT -5
RockoonzWhen I have bought from Baltic Abrasives my orders have arrived pretty quickly. Around 2 weeks +/- a few days. For some reason Baltic Abrasives ended all of their Ebay listings recently, but not long ago they had textured 6" steel core wheels on sale. I picked up a 100 grit and 220 grit just to try them out (which I haven't done yet).  I have used their resin wheels (Cabston line) and I thought they were as good as anything except the DP Novas, which cost 3X as much.
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Post by knave on Nov 2, 2021 11:31:10 GMT -5
If you can humor my noob question.
Kingsley sells their heirloom wheel with 6 mm of diamond for even less money. What is the main feature of Inland, and what are the drawbacks of the Kingsley?
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 2, 2021 13:21:31 GMT -5
holajonathan I just looked and they have over 100 items posted. Maybe they just did an update.
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 2, 2021 13:21:56 GMT -5
I had a Baltic 80 grit that was utter crap. It was horribly off balance, but they sent me a new one ASAP which was fine. I seemed to burn through it too fast, though. I hate a dull 80 and go through a lot- hence the sintered.
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Post by Rockoonz on Nov 2, 2021 13:29:28 GMT -5
Maybe Inland has outsourced production to some extent, possibly theirs are USA made while the ones sold through JB are from over seas? Don't think Inland is US made, not sure it ever has been. Ameritool is US made, but only the machine, there aren't any US manufacturers left for diamond laps, wheels, or blades to my knowledge. I would love to be corrected on that. |
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Post by rockjunquie on Nov 2, 2021 13:36:46 GMT -5
If you can humor my noob question. Kingsley sells their heirloom wheel with 6 mm of diamond for even less money. What is the main feature of Inland, and what are the drawbacks of the Kingsley? Can't answer that other than Inland is supposed to be really good. |
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Post by holajonathan on Nov 2, 2021 14:20:32 GMT -5
If you can humor my noob question. Kingsley sells their heirloom wheel with 6 mm of diamond for even less money. What is the main feature of Inland, and what are the drawbacks of the Kingsley? The depth of the diamond matrix matters less than the quality of the diamonds in the matrix, their concentration, the matrix material, etc... So that spec alone is not terribly relevant. Many have used the Inland wheels for years with little wear, so the 3mm of matrix should last a very, very long time. The MK301 series blades have a fairly short rim height and I have cut with one for hundreds of hours with no apparent wear. It has a high concentration of fine, sharp diamonds in a hard matrix -- the right recipe for a slab saw blade. I don't see any drawbacks of my sintered wheels from Kingsley. Time will tell, I suppose. Mine are well balanced and grind like I would expect them to. Not much else to say about them. |
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