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Post by miket on Dec 6, 2021 10:23:28 GMT -5
Damn, my friend. Those are spectacular! Ridiculous shine...
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Post by stephan on Dec 6, 2021 10:44:59 GMT -5
Okay...so this cab took me 24 minutes start to finish...and I really was purposely taking my time on each wheel. It's one of the best polishes I've gotten on a cab so far. You can see the reflection of my hand holding the phone...   Once those hard wheels get broken in you can expect to double that time, but still, faster than a slant cabber no doubt. The problem with cabs that shiny is cameras won't focus on them unless they have some really well defined and contrasty pattern like those bands. This is a good problem. Are you using the included pre-charged cerium polishing pad for these? I'm thinking about getting one of those since Rob is impressed with the one that came with his machine. Finally, I can tell by the length of that fingernail that you haven't done a whole lot of dopless cabbing. I was going to say that it generally takes a while to break in the sintered wheeel, but Jason's case, "a while" might be a week or less, especially once he builds up his strategic reserve of dopped preform. jasoninsd -- amazing Bots... and what miket said. ETA: I saw my typo in "wheel," but decided to leave it, because in this case it works... I know Jason is going to be having way too much fun with his new toy. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 6, 2021 11:34:49 GMT -5
Okay...so this cab took me 24 minutes start to finish...and I really was purposely taking my time on each wheel. It's one of the best polishes I've gotten on a cab so far. You can see the reflection of my hand holding the phone... Once those hard wheels get broken in you can expect to double that time, but still, faster than a slant cabber no doubt. The problem with cabs that shiny is cameras won't focus on them unless they have some really well defined and contrasty pattern like those bands. This is a good problem. Are you using the included pre-charged cerium polishing pad for these? I'm thinking about getting one of those since Rob is impressed with the one that came with his machine. Finally, I can tell by the length of that fingernail that you haven't done a whole lot of dopless cabbing. Yeah...I know there's that "honeymoon" phase where the wheels are performing like magic...but it's only for a little while.  Yep...I like the problem with the reflections on the surface of the cabs...and my fingernails aren't THAT long! LOL I am using the precharged pad for polishing...it seems to work well so far. I have no idea how long it will last, so I'm curious about that part of it... Okay...so this cab took me 24 minutes start to finish...and I really was purposely taking my time on each wheel. It's one of the best polishes I've gotten on a cab so far. You can see the reflection of my hand holding the phone... [img src="https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211206/bddd23b8cc885eb5f38541fe4ca32d84 "24 min" Slab to polished cab or preform to polished cab? Hey Dave. The 24 minutes was from preform to polished cab. That didn't count putting it on or taking it off dop. I'm pleased with the timeframe. Heck, 24 minutes with a Bot on my flat lap and I wouldn't have even been partway through the initial grind of 30-45 degrees! LOL jasoninsd I am SOOOO excited for you! I remember when I got my Gene. I know how big this for you. Your cabs look amazing! The polishes are superb. I started dopless and quickly went to a dop. I have short fat fingers with some arthritis and I keep long nails, so it was a no brainer. I can cab just as fast and well with a dop. So, don't feel like you are losing anything by using a dop. I dop the back of my stone. When I am finished, I remove it and do the back. I can redop easy enough, if need be, to the front or back. It doesn't take much.
Congratulations!
Thanks Tela!  This really is a huge deal for me! When I showed my wife the first ones I did, her jaw dropped. She could see immediately the difference between these and the ones I've done up to this point...which I don't think have been bad at all...just these really are a step up. I don't think I'm going to make a habit of cabbing without a dop...but it's something I want to learn and have in my "arsenal" of tricks. jasoninsd Wrapped up like a deuce You are learning how to use that cabber quickly. Thanks Beth...and I really did know the right words...but there isn't a person alive who hears that song and doesn't think they're saying something else! LOL By about the 4th or 5th cab, I was getting a lot more comfortable with changing up my technique...so we'll see what "comfort" level I can achieve by the end of the week. jasoninsd Beth beat me to it. It is Deuce... The cabs are beautiful. That's a well deserved machine and now with wheels you can do an inside swoop! (Yes that's a challenge 😎) I prefer dopping myself but sometimes I'm too impatient (read lazy) so I cut a cab without a dop. Not ideal but doable. I'll sit and scold myself most of the time too 🤣 Thanks Nate! I really do look forward to learning the inside swoop...I've admired shapes that incorporate that for quite awhile now. Yep...you nailed the reason I'd want to know how to do it without a dop...impatience! LOL You got a cabber? Awesome! Those cabs are great! You should have seen my first ones on my arbor. They were no where near those ones. Enjoy your new machine! Thanks Perk! I will say that one I did without a dop definitely leaves a lot to be desired! LOL Great job on those! A tad different from the slant lap eh? Thanks Ali! Yep...world of difference! One of the biggest differences is the room to work on the cab. Going from a work surface the size of a piece of paper (flat lap) to something the size of a postage stamp (wheels) is a HUGE difference. It was about the 4th or 5th cab where that light bulb went on and I realized it's the same principle, just smaller moves are needed! Damn, my friend. Those are spectacular! Ridiculous shine...
Thanks Mike! I'm thinking once Ryan finishes the bathroom, you and he need to start working on that arbor of yours. Once those hard wheels get broken in you can expect to double that time, but still, faster than a slant cabber no doubt. The problem with cabs that shiny is cameras won't focus on them unless they have some really well defined and contrasty pattern like those bands. This is a good problem. Are you using the included pre-charged cerium polishing pad for these? I'm thinking about getting one of those since Rob is impressed with the one that came with his machine. Finally, I can tell by the length of that fingernail that you haven't done a whole lot of dopless cabbing. I was going to say that it generally takes a while to break in the sintered wheeel, but Jason's case, "a while" might be a week or less, especially once he builds up his strategic reserve of dopped preform. jasoninsd -- amazing Bots... and what miket said. ETA: I saw my typo in "wheel," but decided to leave it, because in this case it works... I know Jason is going to be having way too much fun with his new toy. Thanks my friend! Yeah...I've been wondering how long a "while" is...but you're probably right...it might just be to the end of the week for me! LOL I was sitting here thinking this morning that perhaps I need to make some more dops...you know...just so I have them on hand and ready to be used...like 24 isn't quite enough. LOL |
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Post by knave on Dec 6, 2021 11:45:16 GMT -5
Jason did you ever use wax?
Or strictly metal with superglue
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 6, 2021 11:49:54 GMT -5
Jason did you ever use wax? Or strictly metal with superglue I've never used wax...it's always been metal and CA. However, I'm starting to consider switching. There's a definite time saver with wax as I wouldn't have to wait 48 hours for the cure time on the super glue. |
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Post by NDK on Dec 6, 2021 12:35:40 GMT -5
Jason I use aluminum for my dop sticks with CA glue as well. I have cabbed in a short amount of time after glueing the stick on. I've also used baking soda to speed up the cure time. Haven't had much luck recently with the glue though. I'm thinking the glue I have is old or something. I should pay attention to what brand I buy. Usually it's whatever I can get cheapest
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Post by stewdogg on Dec 6, 2021 13:13:17 GMT -5
I don't know how you get a new machine unpacked, set up, pump out 7 cabs, all after noon and with a nap included...? Congratulations on the new tool! This is all looking like it's changing from a hobby to a job soon. Hmmm, working from home and your own boss, maybe I'm doing something wrong in life. |
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 6, 2021 14:09:57 GMT -5
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Post by stephan on Dec 6, 2021 14:30:12 GMT -5
Jason did you ever use wax? Or strictly metal with superglue I've never used wax...it's always been metal and CA. However, I'm starting to consider switching. There's a definite time saver with wax as I wouldn't have to wait 48 hours for the cure time on the super glue. You may want to wait for summer, unless you keep the work area pretty warm. Cold causes the wax to release (even with California Winters, which are not truly cold, I used to have trouble keeping the stones on the sticks. Tha's why I switched to CA). In fact, placing them in the freezer is a quick way to un-dop the finished product. BTW, you are more than ready for the inside swoop. |
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Post by stephan on Dec 6, 2021 14:32:01 GMT -5
Jason I use aluminum for my dop sticks with CA glue as well. I have cabbed in a short amount of time after glueing the stick on. I've also used baking soda to speed up the cure time. Haven't had much luck recently with the glue though. I'm thinking the glue I have is old or something. I should pay attention to what brand I buy. Usually it's whatever I can get cheapest I had trouble when I bought the cheapest. Gorilla's gel version works well for me. |
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 6, 2021 14:47:41 GMT -5
Jason I use aluminum for my dop sticks with CA glue as well. I have cabbed in a short amount of time after glueing the stick on. I've also used baking soda to speed up the cure time. Haven't had much luck recently with the glue though. I'm thinking the glue I have is old or something. I should pay attention to what brand I buy. Usually it's whatever I can get cheapest Thanks for chiming in Nate! Okay...please explain to me what process you use with the baking soda to speed up the cure time...pretty please! I know several of us were having CA issues not that long ago. I think it was Covid CA! I really do believe something happened during production that affected the product. I bought all new bottles of Gorilla and haven't had an issue since...knock on wood... I don't know how you get a new machine unpacked, set up, pump out 7 cabs, all after noon and with a nap included...? Congratulations on the new tool! This is all looking like it's changing from a hobby to a job soon. Hmmm, working from home and your own boss, maybe I'm doing something wrong in life. Thanks my friend! I know...if I just wouldn't have been so lazy and taken that nap! LOL If I start thinking of it as a job, I might not enjoy it like I do. Of course if it could bring in the monetary return equivalent to a well-paying job, then I'd enjoy it way more! LOL  - However, I know the realistic view on it with regards to this being the only source of income for someone. I remember seeing that dop kit before. I'm not sure I'd like the large handle or not... I picked up a couple 3/8" welding rods and cut them down into roughly 3" sections. I've liked the size for both my grip as well as the surface area contact on the back ot the cabs. Plus it was pretty cheap compared to getting hardware... I've never used wax...it's always been metal and CA. However, I'm starting to consider switching. There's a definite time saver with wax as I wouldn't have to wait 48 hours for the cure time on the super glue. You may want to wait for summer, unless you keep the work area pretty warm. Cold causes the wax to release (even with California Winters, which are not truly cold, I used to have trouble keeping the stones on the sticks. Tha's why I switched to CA). In fact, placing them in the freezer is a quick way to un-dop the finished product. I actually have and will keep the cabbing machine inside...it's taking up a corner in my pool room...not the swimming kind! LOL I remember reading about the freezer trick. If I switch over to dop wax, I'm going to have to find another reason to play around with the propane torch! LOL Jason I use aluminum for my dop sticks with CA glue as well. I have cabbed in a short amount of time after glueing the stick on. I've also used baking soda to speed up the cure time. Haven't had much luck recently with the glue though. I'm thinking the glue I have is old or something. I should pay attention to what brand I buy. Usually it's whatever I can get cheapest I had trouble when I bought the cheapest. Gorilla's gel version works well for me. Yep...same here... |
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Post by mohs on Dec 6, 2021 14:59:50 GMT -5
thumbs up on the fine cabbing machine jase
infinity will add new swerve dimensions
to your already fine skills
a dop habit is good
butte you'll master
hand held smooth dome
in no time
look for that stone reflection
on the wheel's water
it gniess feature
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Post by jasoninsd on Dec 6, 2021 15:07:50 GMT -5
thumbs up on the fine cabbing machine jase infinity will add new swerve dimensions to your already fine skills a dop habit is good butte you'll master hand held smooth dome in no time look for that stone reflection on the wheel's water it gniess feature Thanks Ed! I really do look forward to the new shape possibilities this is going to open up for me. I think I'll be able to master the no-dop method before I run out of layers of skin...but it's going to be close! LOL It's like the reflection of a miniature waterfall feature while working the cabs! |
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Post by stephan on Dec 6, 2021 16:42:14 GMT -5
You may want to wait for summer, unless you keep the work area pretty warm. Cold causes the wax to release (even with California Winters, which are not truly cold, I used to have trouble keeping the stones on the sticks. Tha's why I switched to CA). In fact, placing them in the freezer is a quick way to un-dop the finished product. I actually have and will keep the cabbing machine inside...it's taking up a corner in my pool room...not the swimming kind! LOL I remember reading about the freezer trick. If I switch over to dop wax, I'm going to have to find another reason to play around with the propane torch! LOL Making the top crust on crème brûlée, fire-roasting peppers or tomatoes... there's always an excuse to play with a torch. |
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Post by fencejumper on Dec 7, 2021 16:21:57 GMT -5
So, here's the first cabs I've finished with my new Kingsley North Cabber 6 Nova. Okay, so the first five pictures are Purple Cow Jasper. These were dopped when I worked them. The last two pictures are South Dakota Prairie Agate and it was NOT dopped when I worked it. The lesson I learned was I really DO prefer to work pieces that are dopped! LOL - The dome is horrible on that last one...I mean really really bad...but I had to give it a shot.        Its Revved up like a deuce.. Like a 2 / 2 barrel carb… Like little deuce coupe? Fro the beach boys |
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 7, 2021 18:18:30 GMT -5
I actually have and will keep the cabbing machine inside...it's taking up a corner in my pool room...not the swimming kind! LOL I remember reading about the freezer trick. If I switch over to dop wax, I'm going to have to find another reason to play around with the propane torch! LOL Making the top crust on crème brûlée, fire-roasting peppers or tomatoes... there's always an excuse to play with a torch.You're telling me. I've been using a 100,000 btu "Weed Dragon" propane torch to light my wood stove in the barn. No kindling or newspaper required. Just big logs and about 30 seconds with the Dragon breathing on them, and they are engulfed in flames. If I get my 200 pound propane tank filled (too expensive right now), I can upgrade to a 500,000 btu torch, which should be something like a fire breathing chimera. Before you get too excited, everything I mention in this post is probably illegal in California for one reason or another. |
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Post by stephan on Dec 7, 2021 18:54:02 GMT -5
Making the top crust on crème brûlée, fire-roasting peppers or tomatoes... there's always an excuse to play with a torch.You're telling me. I've been using a 100,000 btu "Weed Dragon" propane torch to light my wood stove in the barn. No kindling or newspaper required. Just big logs and about 30 seconds with the Dragon breathing on them, and they are engulfed in flames. If I get my 200 pound propane tank filled (too expensive right now), I can upgrade to a 500,000 btu torch, which should be something like a fire breathing chimera. Before you get too excited, everything I mention in this post is probably illegal in California for one reason or another. You forget, California produces both oil and natural gas, and Elon Musk's Boring Company created their "not a flame-thrower" in LA. Plus we've had enough rain to make daily fog (which we haven't seen in over a decade), so the time for controlled burns is now.  |
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Post by rockjunquie on Dec 7, 2021 19:12:46 GMT -5
Hey guys, sorry I'm late on this but one of our members minerken was making custom turned aluminum dop sticks. The set came with a knurled ( I think that's the right word) handle. Very nice.
You can see more about it here
You could PM if interested. He did it as a hobby, really. He was very reasonable and the product is awesome.
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Post by drocknut on Dec 7, 2021 19:14:04 GMT -5
Awesome cabs and congratulations on the new cabbing machine. That Prairie Agate cab is beautiful.
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Post by NDK on Dec 7, 2021 20:28:01 GMT -5
jasoninsd you sprinkle the baking soda on the ca glue and it sets up almost instantly. Probably doesn't help much with the glue between the stick & the rock. I've tried gel ca glue for dopping and don't care for it. Y'all may be right with the covid super glue idea. Seems it's recently it didn't work as well. ETA: this video explains it nicely
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