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Post by stardiamond on Dec 24, 2021 19:27:53 GMT -5
Not as nice as Holajonathan posted. I paid $8.50 a pound delivered with sales tax. About 1/4 to 1/3 had only pattern/color on the outside. Pictures only tell part of the story. One good nodule can put a big dent in the purchase price. Based on past purchases there will always be duds. If I was able to pick the nodules at a show, I would do better but probably pay a lot more. Overall, I'm satisfied. With Montana it requires kissing a lot of frogs. I cut a blind nodule first and I might get some cabs out of it. This nodule looked great so I started cutting it next; stripes and dendrites. The slab saw has a vertical vise so I can cut a few slices without having to glue to a board.
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Post by Fossilman on Dec 25, 2021 13:01:09 GMT -5
Nice cuts...
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 26, 2021 0:19:16 GMT -5
Not as nice as Holajonathan posted. I paid $8.50 a pound delivered with sales tax. About 1/4 to 1/3 had only pattern/color on the outside. Pictures only tell part of the story. One good nodule can put a big dent in the purchase price. Based on past purchases there will always be duds. If I was able to pick the nodules at a show, I would do better but probably pay a lot more. Overall, I'm satisfied. With Montana it requires kissing a lot of frogs. I cut a blind nodule first and I might get some cabs out of it. This nodule looked great so I started cutting it next; stripes and dendrites. The slab saw has a vertical vise so I can cut a few slices without having to glue to a board. I'll show you and others the dud pile sometime. I first picked out nodules that interested me. Then, I windowed a whole lot of them, separating those that still interested me after seeing inside. Even after high grading twice, once I really start cutting them less than half are worth slabbing. Other times, I slab a whole nodule, and after washing off the oil, I can see a bunch of fractures that were well hidden by the oil. Much of my rough is small (1/2 to 1 pound nodules), so it's not a terrible loss then they are duds. I have had better luck getting good quality smaller nodules, since the good, big ones are high graded out before they ever reach me. Even worse than the pure duds are the nodules with great patterns, but lots of fractures. I have a hard time abandoning a nodule with great patterns or dendrites. So I cut, reposition, cut, reposition, etc, trying to find some little solid areas the size of a preform. Sometimes I cut up the whole nodule and end up with nothing but a bunch of very small tumbling rough. I've read that 20% of the agate nodules from the Yellowstone produce good slabs (good patterns + solid enough). Seems about right in my experience. That makes is expensive rough. But like you say, you don't need them all to be good. Two or three good, decent size nodules will probably provide more Montana agate preforms than you feel like cabbing in the near term. I'll keep my eye out to see how the other ones look inside, and I'll post a photo of my dud pile (100+ pound) when I get a chance.
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Post by stardiamond on Dec 26, 2021 0:32:06 GMT -5
I don't know if this was an atypical batch but many nodules were broken so I had a good view of what was inside. The pieces with dendrites were saturated with them. I've had to deal with now you see it now you don't attributes in the past where the cut needs to be exact. I've marked the fractures on the few slabs I cut. With Montana any line can be a possible fracture,
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 26, 2021 14:29:11 GMT -5
stardiamond When it comes to MT agates... 1. No matter how well healed a fracture looks, if I can feel it with my fingernail, it will probably break when cutting the preform or when cabbing. 2. Most inclusions / moss / color in Montana agates comes from an ancient fractures which allowed iron or manganese to leech inside. Most such fractures are not well healed. 3. The "best" inclusions / patterns (those usually not indicative of fractures) were created as the agate formed. They usually have two related forms: A. Round (or pom-pom or leafy) black dendrites, and B. Brown or black ribbon banding or concentric banding. There is a clear relationship between the two (dendrites and banding). The dendrites often form in the shape of bands or occur alongside bands. These bands follow the original botryoidal structure of the agate, although this is only obvious when cut at certain angles. Here are "good" inclusions that didn't form from fractures. This nodule is a fascinating example. It is no accident that the best MT agate cabs are usually one of those patterns -- dendrites, bands, or bands + dendrites. I see few good cabs full of the healed-fracture type inclusions since they are rarely solid. This type of inclusion is beautiful but almost never solid. You are more experienced than me with the joys and sorrows of MT agates. But others may find my observations interesting.
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Post by stardiamond on Dec 26, 2021 17:38:06 GMT -5
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Post by hummingbirdstones2 on Dec 26, 2021 21:02:52 GMT -5
If you have a market for small pendants, rings, or earrings, small Montana pieces are perfect. A vendor at our show had ring/earring size ones that were amazing.
If you have a client who makes small pieces of jewelry like that, you might still have an outlet for all those fractured ones.
I tend to look for larger pendant stones when slabbing, and have to recalibrate my brain to see the smaller ones. It's worth it with these.
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 26, 2021 23:14:35 GMT -5
Two nice example where the dendrites were formed as the agate was formed. They might still have fractures, but the dendrite themselves are not fractures. The first one is about as dendrite dense as I have seen in a MT agate. That should make a very nice cab or two.
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Post by stardiamond on Dec 27, 2021 15:13:03 GMT -5
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Post by holajonathan on Dec 27, 2021 15:17:43 GMT -5
stardiamondI can't tell scale from your photo (the size of those slabs), but if looks like you've got solid area to work with.
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Post by stardiamond on Dec 27, 2021 15:26:47 GMT -5
85mm width.
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Post by stardiamond on Dec 27, 2021 19:13:47 GMT -5
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Post by stardiamond on Dec 31, 2021 16:50:35 GMT -5
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Post by stardiamond on Jan 4, 2022 16:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by realrockhound on Jan 8, 2022 17:12:34 GMT -5
Crazy enough, I know of an area right outside of prineville on a private ranch that has material that is dead ringer for Montana agate. Now.. not all the material is like what you posted. Most just has bands or random dendrites throughout. However I have found chunks that look like what you posted. It’s just crazy to me that the same conditions that form material, can happen miles and states apart an produce similar material. Nice slabs by the way. Those are extremely nice.
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Post by holajonathan on Jan 8, 2022 19:10:27 GMT -5
Crazy enough, I know of an area right outside of prineville on a private ranch that has material that is dead ringer for Montana agate. Now.. not all the material is like what you posted. Most just has bands or random dendrites throughout. However I have found chunks that look like what you posted. It’s just crazy to me that the same conditions that form material, can happen miles and states apart an produce similar material. Nice slabs by the way. Those are extremely nice. I've got some agates from Texas (near the Rio Grande) that are also 100% Montana agates... except they're not. It shouldn't be surprising that similar geologic processes can create similar agates in different place, but I was still quite surprised the first time I cut one of the "Montana" Texas agates.
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Post by realrockhound on Jan 10, 2022 21:56:12 GMT -5
I'm away from home base and don't have access to the nice stuff, however, I did find these two pics of large chunks in my phone. Thought you might enjoy. Most of the pieces at the area are big chunks like this. But the smaller golf/tennis ball sized chunks have better pattern and more bands dendrites etc.
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Post by stardiamond on Jan 22, 2022 13:19:56 GMT -5
I don't candle, but saw enough to know where to cut the slab.
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Post by stardiamond on Feb 15, 2022 15:35:00 GMT -5
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Post by stardiamond on Feb 17, 2022 18:28:34 GMT -5
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